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 == Description ==
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-The '''J2M5 Model 33 (30 mm)''', designated as '''Raiden Mod.33 (Prototype) ({{Annotation|雷電三三型 (原型)|Lightning Bolt, Model 33, Prototype}})''', is a prototype of the [[J2M5]] replacing the four 20 mm cannons with two 30 mm Type 5 cannons. Lacking material, manpower, and constant bombing left it out of production lines.
+The '''J2M5 Model 33 (30 mm)''', designated as '''Raiden Mod.33 (Prototype) ({{Annotation|雷電三三型 (原型)|Lightning Bolt, Model 33, Prototype}})''', is a prototype of the [[J2M5]] replacing the four 20 mm cannons with two 30 mm Type 5 cannons. Due to lack of material and manpower, as well as constant bombing, it never entered production lines.
 It was introduced in [[Update 1.51 "Cold Steel"]]. While offering the same flight characteristics as the [[J2M5|Raiden]] it was based on, its armament is of a different calibre, both physically and in usage. The Type 5 30 mm's this J2M5 carries offer a lot of punch for a very limited ammo capacity, so it's up to the pilot to make every trigger pull count.

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}} (30 mm)''' is a prototype of the [[J2M5]] replacing the four 20 mm cannons with two 30 mm Type 5 cannons.
+The '''J2M5 Model 33 (30 mm)''', designated as '''Raiden Mod.33 (Prototype) ({{Annotation|雷電三三型 (原型)|Lightning Bolt, Model 33, Prototype}})''', is a prototype of the [[J2M5]] replacing the four 20 mm cannons with two 30 mm Type 5 cannons. Lacking material, manpower, and constant bombing left it out of production lines.
 It was introduced in [[Update 1.51 "Cold Steel"]]. While offering the same flight characteristics as the [[J2M5|Raiden]] it was based on, its armament is of a different calibre, both physically and in usage. The Type 5 30 mm's this J2M5 carries offer a lot of punch for a very limited ammo capacity, so it's up to the pilot to make every trigger pull count.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}} (30 mm)''' is a prototype of the [[J2M5]] by replacing the 4 x 20 mm's by 2 x 30 mm Type 5 cannons.
+The '''{{Specs|name}} (30 mm)''' is a prototype of the [[J2M5]] replacing the four 20 mm cannons with two 30 mm Type 5 cannons.
-It was introduced in [[Update 1.51 "Cold Steel"]]. Offering the same flight characteristics as the [[J2M5|Raiden]] it was based on, it armament will be of a different caliber, both in usage and actuality. The Type 5 30 mm's this J2M5 carries offer a lot of punch for a very limited ammo capacity, so it's up to the pilot to make every trigger pull count.
+It was introduced in [[Update 1.51 "Cold Steel"]]. While offering the same flight characteristics as the [[J2M5|Raiden]] it was based on, its armament is of a different calibre, both physically and in usage. The Type 5 30 mm's this J2M5 carries offer a lot of punch for a very limited ammo capacity, so it's up to the pilot to make every trigger pull count.
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 == History ==
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 Nearing the end of the war, the focus of the J2Ms was shifted towards even more local interceptors as requested at a faster approach. With the J2M5, Raiden Model 33's a new and last engine revision was made, the Kasei 26a engine with a mechanically driven supercharger. This allowed the Model 33 to get higher speeds at higher altitudes compared to that of the [[J2M4 Kai|J2M4, Model 32]] at the cost of total range which was a sacrifice that was required as American bombers got closer and closer to the mainland.
 Within the Model 33 there has been several prototype variants and armament configurations of only one becoming a production line variant, the J2M5a, Raiden Model 33 Ko which had four 20 mm Type 99 Model 2 cannons.
 One other of these variants, the J2M5 with Type 5 30 mm, which didn't make it to the production line, as by the time, bombers got through and bombed the Japanese logistics from December 1944 onward, which took its toll on the aircraft production overall.
 A direct hit on the Mitsubishi aircraft plant caused the complete loss of airframes, machine tools, and jigs and eventually halted production. Production generally suffered less from direct hits on factories, which were rare, but from attacks on suppliers and consequent shortages of material and construction tools.

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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.51 "Cold Steel"]].
+The '''{{Specs|name}} (30 mm)''' is a prototype of the [[J2M5]] by replacing the 4 x 20 mm's by 2 x 30 mm Type 5 cannons.
 == General info ==

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 == Usage in battles ==
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-The premium J2M5 with 2 x 30 mm cannons sits at a favourable BR of 4.7. Unlike its other Naval brethren in the Japanese tech tree, the Raiden possesses a top speed rivalling that of the [[P-51D-5|P-51D-5 Mustang]]. Although a stubby and small aircraft, the Mitsubishi J2M Raiden can be considered one of the best Japanese fighters in War Thunder. Unlike its predecessors, the premium variant of the J2M5 features a deadly armament of two 30 mm cannons. However, the main advantage the Raiden has over its Allied counterparts is its climb rate. In Realistic Battles, the J2M5 can climb to higher altitudes very quickly, especially when given an air start. This facet of the Raiden's performance is particularly exemplified in the J2M5, the last in-game variant of the Raiden that features the greatest performance of the series. This is partially due to its mechanically-driven supercharger which allows the J2M5 to perform at altitudes once thought impossible by Japanese engineers. Once at a high altitude, it becomes possible to choose when, where, and who you want to fight. The premium J2M5's 30 mm cannons may initially seem rather lacklustre due to the low ammo count but they do an impressive amount of damage upon a successful hit. Generally, the J2M5 performs similarly to the [[Fw 190 (Family)|early Fw 190 A variants]], having a deadly armament, good roll rate, low top speed, but higher climb rate. The J2M5 differs from this rule slightly as it was built for speed and high-altitude performance. The Raiden is best used as an energy fighter - instead of "turning and burning", or losing all built up speed in turns, attack enemies from a higher altitude and then regain that altitude once the attack has been delivered. The J2M5 excels at Boom & Zoom due to its high rate of climb, deadly armament, and high altitude characteristics.
+The premium J2M5 with 2 x 30 mm cannons sits at a favourable battle rating. Although a stubby and small aircraft, the Mitsubishi J2M Raiden can be considered one of the best Japanese fighters. Unlike its predecessors, the premium variant of the J2M5 features a deadly armament of two 30 mm cannons. However, the main advantage the Raiden has over its Allied counterparts is its climb rate. In Realistic Battles, the J2M5 can climb to higher altitudes very quickly, especially when given an air start. This facet of the Raiden's performance is particularly exemplified in the J2M5, the last in-game variant of the Raiden that features the greatest performance of the series. This is partially due to its mechanically-driven supercharger which allows the J2M5 to perform at high altitude. Once at a high altitude, it becomes possible to choose when, where, and who you want to fight. The premium J2M5's 30 mm cannons may initially seem rather lacklustre due to the low ammo count but they do an impressive amount of damage upon a successful hit. Generally, the J2M5 performs similarly to the [[Fw 190 (Family)|early Fw 190 A variants]], having a deadly armament, good roll rate, low top speed, but higher climb rate. The J2M5 differs from this rule slightly as it was built for speed and high-altitude performance. The Raiden is best used as an energy fighter instead of turning and burning all its built up speed in turns, attack enemies from a higher altitude and then regain that altitude once the attack has been delivered. The J2M5 excels at Boom & Zoom due to its high rate of climb, deadly armament, and high altitude characteristics.
-Sharing this role with other "energy fighters" such as the [[Fw 190 D-13]], the Raiden's main downside is its lack of manoeuvrability. Similar to its aforementioned German counterpart, the Raiden struggles to beat enemies in turn fights, especially Spitfires. If caught in a sticky situation, the Raiden pilot may choose to dive away or seek help from teammates. Trying to fight an enemy Spitfire in a turning battle with any J2M is a terrible idea unless the enemy aircraft is damaged or many teammates are nearby. Moreover, the J2M's high-speed manoeuvrability is very poor; often, it becomes a matter of life and death when pulling out of a high-speed dive as the Raiden's elevator authority at high speeds is lacking. The entire aircraft locks up at excess speeds of 645 km/h (400 mph). It can be very difficult to pull out of a dive, roll, or turn when at high speeds with the J2M. The Raiden's manoeuvrability is more or less on par with its enemies in Simulator Battles, for the most part.
+Sharing this role with other energy fighters such as the [[Fw 190 D-13]], the Raiden's main downside is its lack of manoeuvrability. Similar to its aforementioned German counterpart, the Raiden struggles to beat enemies in turn fights, especially Spitfires. If caught in a sticky situation, the Raiden pilot may choose to dive away or seek help from teammates. Trying to fight an enemy Spitfire in a turning battle with any J2M is a terrible idea unless the enemy aircraft is damaged or many teammates are nearby. Moreover, the J2M's high-speed manoeuvrability is very poor; often, it becomes a matter of life and death when pulling out of a high-speed dive as the Raiden's elevator authority at high speeds is lacking. The entire aircraft locks up at excess speeds of 645 km/h (400 mph). It can be very difficult to pull out of a dive, roll, or turn when at high speeds with the J2M. The Raiden's manoeuvrability is more or less on par with its enemies in Simulator Battles, for the most part.
-The Raiden pilot may also find him or herself outclassed at extreme altitudes by aircraft such as the [[Ta 152 H-1|Ta 152]]. All these aircraft have to do to avoid the J2M5 is dive away and build up speed. Fortunately, this aircraft has a deadly pair of 30 mm cannons. With good aim and practice, it is possible to "snipe" enemies from upwards of a kilometre away with these weapons.
+The Raiden pilot may also find him or herself outclassed at extreme altitudes by aircraft such as the [[Ta 152 H-1|Ta 152]]. All these aircraft have to do to avoid the J2M5 is dive away and build up speed. Fortunately, this aircraft has a deadly pair of 30 mm cannons. With good aim and practice, it is possible to snipe enemies from upwards of a kilometre away with these weapons.
 Overall, the Raiden is best used as a surprise attack, high altitude, high damage output fighter. Where it lacks in the manoeuvrability category, it makes up for in armament and rate of climb.
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 '''Pros:'''
 * Favourable matchmaking for what it's capable of
 * Climbs very well
-* 30 mm cannon shells are lethal when they hit
+* Powerful 30 mm cannons
 * Reasonably nimble at low and medium speeds
 * Has generally good dive characteristics
 * Large, sloped 70 mm bulletproof glass in front of the pilot
 * Above-average roll rate at lower speeds
 '''Cons:'''
 * Very poor high-speed performance
 * Elevator doesn't respond well at high speeds
 * Lack of armour around fuel tanks or engine
 * Prone to engine and fuel fires
-* Firing the guns slow the plane down immensely
+* Firing the guns slows the plane down immensely
 * Cannons are mounted in the wings, resulting in significant convergence issues
 * Extremely limited ammunition pool
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 == History ==
 <!-- ''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/ History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).'' -->{{main|J2M (Family)|l1=History of the J2M}}
-Nearing the end of the war, the focus of the J2Ms was shifted towards even more local interceptors as requested at a faster approach. With the '''J2M5, ''Raiden Model 33'''''<nowiki/>'s a new and last engine revision was made, the Kasei 26a engine with a mechanically driven supercharger. This allowed the '''''Model 33''''' to get higher speeds at higher altitudes compared to that of the [[J2M4 Kai|J2M4, Model 32]] at the cost of total range which was a sacrifice that was required as American bombers got closer and closer to the mainland.
+Nearing the end of the war, the focus of the J2Ms was shifted towards even more local interceptors as requested at a faster approach. With the J2M5, Raiden Model 33's a new and last engine revision was made, the Kasei 26a engine with a mechanically driven supercharger. This allowed the Model 33 to get higher speeds at higher altitudes compared to that of the [[J2M4 Kai|J2M4, Model 32]] at the cost of total range which was a sacrifice that was required as American bombers got closer and closer to the mainland.
-Within the '''''Model 33''''' there has been several prototype variants and armament configurations of only one becoming a production line variant, the ''J2M5a, Raiden Model 33 Ko'' which had four 20 mm Type 99 Model 2 cannons.
+Within the Model 33 there has been several prototype variants and armament configurations of only one becoming a production line variant, the J2M5a, Raiden Model 33 Ko which had four 20 mm Type 99 Model 2 cannons.
-One other of these variants, the '''J2M5 with Type 5 30 mm's''', which didn't make it to the production line, as by the time, bombers got through and bombed the Japanese logistics from December 1944 onward, which took its toll on the aircraft production overall.
+One other of these variants, the J2M5 with Type 5 30 mm, which didn't make it to the production line, as by the time, bombers got through and bombed the Japanese logistics from December 1944 onward, which took its toll on the aircraft production overall.
 A direct hit on the Mitsubishi aircraft plant caused the complete loss of airframes, machine tools, and jigs and eventually halted production. Production generally suffered less from direct hits on factories, which were rare, but from attacks on suppliers and consequent shortages of material and construction tools.
 == Media ==
-''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
+<!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
 == See also ==
-<!--''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
+''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
-* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''-->
+* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
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 * 2 x 30 mm Type 5 navy cannons, wing-mounted (42 rpg = 84 total)
-Tracer Belts are the most consistent on such slow-firing guns, with the highest TNT equivalent bursting charge at nearly 60g, though still less than similar guns in other nations.
+Universal belts contain the most HEF rounds, including HEF-I, and a tracer for ease of aim.
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 == Usage in battles ==
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-The premium J2M5 with 2 x 30 mm cannons sits at a favorable BR of 4.7. Its handling is identical to the other J2M5 - a fighter with decent climb rate, decent turning, and an emphasis on vertically looping opponents to bleed their speed before swooping down to punish. Generally, what it can't out-turn, it can out-loop; what it can't out-loop, it can probably out-turn. It is still rather slow compared to a lot of its opponents, but due to the BR it is nowhere near as borderline hopeless as the other model of the plane is.
+The premium J2M5 with 2 x 30 mm cannons sits at a favourable BR of 4.7. Unlike its other Naval brethren in the Japanese tech tree, the Raiden possesses a top speed rivalling that of the [[P-51D-5|P-51D-5 Mustang]]. Although a stubby and small aircraft, the Mitsubishi J2M Raiden can be considered one of the best Japanese fighters in War Thunder. Unlike its predecessors, the premium variant of the J2M5 features a deadly armament of two 30 mm cannons. However, the main advantage the Raiden has over its Allied counterparts is its climb rate. In Realistic Battles, the J2M5 can climb to higher altitudes very quickly, especially when given an air start. This facet of the Raiden's performance is particularly exemplified in the J2M5, the last in-game variant of the Raiden that features the greatest performance of the series. This is partially due to its mechanically-driven supercharger which allows the J2M5 to perform at altitudes once thought impossible by Japanese engineers. Once at a high altitude, it becomes possible to choose when, where, and who you want to fight. The premium J2M5's 30 mm cannons may initially seem rather lacklustre due to the low ammo count but they do an impressive amount of damage upon a successful hit. Generally, the J2M5 performs similarly to the [[Fw 190 (Family)|early Fw 190 A variants]], having a deadly armament, good roll rate, low top speed, but higher climb rate. The J2M5 differs from this rule slightly as it was built for speed and high-altitude performance. The Raiden is best used as an energy fighter - instead of "turning and burning", or losing all built up speed in turns, attack enemies from a higher altitude and then regain that altitude once the attack has been delivered. The J2M5 excels at Boom & Zoom due to its high rate of climb, deadly armament, and high altitude characteristics.
-The plane's main downside is high-speed control stiffening, which sets in at 550kph IAS. Thus while it can climb rather well, it cannot dive well to put that altitude to good use. The other downside comes from the slow rate of fire on the guns, paired with rather low ammo supply on those guns of just 42 rounds per gun. However, when they hit, they will kill more consistently than either Type 99 or Ho-5 cannons.
+Sharing this role with other "energy fighters" such as the [[Fw 190 D-13]], the Raiden's main downside is its lack of manoeuvrability. Similar to its aforementioned German counterpart, the Raiden struggles to beat enemies in turn fights, especially Spitfires. If caught in a sticky situation, the Raiden pilot may choose to dive away or seek help from teammates. Trying to fight an enemy Spitfire in a turning battle with any J2M is a terrible idea unless the enemy aircraft is damaged or many teammates are nearby. Moreover, the J2M's high-speed manoeuvrability is very poor; often, it becomes a matter of life and death when pulling out of a high-speed dive as the Raiden's elevator authority at high speeds is lacking. The entire aircraft locks up at excess speeds of 645 km/h (400 mph). It can be very difficult to pull out of a dive, roll, or turn when at high speeds with the J2M. The Raiden's manoeuvrability is more or less on par with its enemies in Simulator Battles, for the most part.
 === Manual Engine Control ===
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 * Favourable matchmaking for what it's capable of
 * Climbs very well
-* 30 mm cannon shells are lethal when they hit single-engine fighters, but tend to spark a lot vs anything larger.
+* 30 mm cannon shells are lethal when they hit
 * Reasonably nimble at low and medium speeds
-* Has awful high speed diving characteristics.
+* Has generally good dive characteristics
 * 8.5 mm bulletproof glass behind the pilot
 * Large, sloped 70 mm bulletproof glass in front of the pilot
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 * ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''-->
 ; Other members of the [[J2M_(Family)|J2M family]]:
 * [[J2M2]]
 * [[J2M3]]

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+| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 488 || 454 || 280 || ~12 || ~9
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