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 The '''J2M5 Model 33''', designated as '''Raiden Mod.33 ({{Annotation|雷電三三型|Lightning Bolt, Model 33}})''', was a high-altitude variant of the Raiden series which was developed to increase the ceiling and effectiveness at high altitude. Equipped with the Mitsubishi MK4U-A "Kasei 26a" engine with a mechanically driven supercharger, giving increased high-altitude speed at the expense of range. Unlike the failed [[J2M4 Kai|J2M4 Model 32]], the Model 33 saw (limited) production and deployed to several air units.
-It was introduced in [[Update 1.51 "Cold Steel"]]. Similar to its predecessing variant, the [[J2M4 Kai|J2M4]], the J2M5 boosts its performance over its earlier predecessors by bolstering a 1,854 hp engine on top of equipping a turbo-charger increasing its efficiency at high altitudes. With the engine shaft remaining relatively the same over the previous [[J2M2]]/[[J2M3|3]], the J2M5 enjoys the same weight distribution with a stronger engine. Still excelling at climbing, the J2M5 plays closer back to the J2M2's performance-to-BR with the firepower of a J2M3.
+It was introduced in [[Update 1.51 "Cold Steel"]]. Similar to its preceding variant, the [[J2M4 Kai|J2M4]], the J2M5 boosts its performance over its earlier predecessors by boasting a 1,854 hp engine on top of equipping a turbocharger increasing its efficiency at high altitudes. With the engine shaft remaining relatively the same over the previous [[J2M2]]/[[J2M3|3]], the J2M5 enjoys the same weight distribution with a stronger engine. Still excelling at climbing, the J2M5 plays more similarly to the J2M2's performance-to-BR with the firepower of a J2M3.
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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Japanese fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.51 "Cold Steel"]].
+The '''J2M5 Model 33''', designated as '''Raiden Mod.33 ({{Annotation|雷電三三型|Lightning Bolt, Model 33}})''', was a high-altitude variant of the Raiden series which was developed to increase the ceiling and effectiveness at high altitude. Equipped with the Mitsubishi MK4U-A "Kasei 26a" engine with a mechanically driven supercharger, giving increased high-altitude speed at the expense of range. Unlike the failed [[J2M4 Kai|J2M4 Model 32]], the Model 33 saw (limited) production and deployed to several air units.
 == General info ==

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 Although a stubby and small aircraft, the Mitsubishi J2M Raiden can be considered one of the best Japanese fighters. Wielding four 20 mm cannons, this aircraft is more than capable of dealing with heavy damage. However, the main advantage the Raiden has over its Allied counterparts is its climb rate. In Realistic Battles, the J2M5 can climb to higher altitudes very quickly, especially when given an air start. This facet of the Raiden's performance is particularly exemplified in the J2M5, the last in-game variant of the Raiden that features the greatest performance of the series. This is partially due to its mechanically-driven supercharger which allows the J2M5 to perform at altitudes once thought impossible by Japanese engineers. Once at a high altitude, it becomes possible to choose when, where, and who the J2M5 want to fight. The J2M5's 20 mm cannons may initially seem rather lacklustre but they have a knack for snapshots or quick bursts of fire that result in a victory while manoeuvring. Generally, the J2M5 performs similarly to the early [[Fw 190 (Family)|Fw 190 A variants]], having a deadly armament, good roll rate, low top speed, but higher climb rate. The J2M5 differs from this rule slightly as it was built for speed and high-altitude performance. The Raiden is best used as an energy fighter - instead of "turning and burning", or losing all built up speed in turns, attack enemies from a higher altitude and then regain that altitude once the attack has been delivered. The J2M5 excels at Boom & Zoom due to its high rate of climb, deadly armament, and high altitude characteristics.
-Sharing this role with other "energy fighters" such as the [[Fw_190_D-13|Fw 190 D-13]] the Raiden's main downside is its lack of manoeuvrability. Similar to its earlier mentioned German counterpart, the Raiden struggles to beat enemies in turn fights, especially Spitfires. If caught in a sticky situation, the Raiden pilot may choose to dive away or seek help from teammates. Trying to fight an enemy Spitfire in a turn battle with any J2M is a terrible idea unless the enemy aircraft is damaged or many teammates are nearby. Moreover, the J2M's high-speed manoeuvrability is very poor; often, it becomes a gamble when pulling out of a high-speed dive as the Raiden's elevator authority at high speeds is lacking. The entire aircraft locks up at excess speeds of 645 KPH/400 MPH. It can be very difficult to pull out of a dive, roll, or turn when at high speeds with the J2M. The Raiden's manoeuvrability is more or less on par with its enemies in simulator battles, for the most part.
+Sharing this role with other "energy fighters" such as the [[Fw 190 D-13]] the Raiden's main downside is its lack of manoeuvrability. Similar to its earlier mentioned German counterpart, the Raiden struggles to beat enemies in turn fights, especially Spitfires. If caught in a sticky situation, the Raiden pilot may choose to dive away or seek help from teammates. Trying to fight an enemy Spitfire in a turn battle with any J2M is a terrible idea unless the enemy aircraft is damaged or many teammates are nearby. Moreover, the J2M's high-speed manoeuvrability is very poor; often, it becomes a gamble when pulling out of a high-speed dive as the Raiden's elevator authority at high speeds is lacking. The entire aircraft locks up at excess speeds of 645 km/h (400 mph). It can be very difficult to pull out of a dive, roll, or turn when at high speeds with the J2M. The Raiden's manoeuvrability is more or less on par with its enemies in simulator battles, for the most part.
-The Raiden pilot may also find themselves outclassed at extreme altitudes by aircraft such as the [[Ta_152_H-1|Ta 152]]. All these aircraft have to do to avoid the J2M5 is dive away and build up speed. Fortunately, this aircraft has a surprise - a massive ammunition pool totalling 800 rounds. With good aim and practice, it is possible to "snipe" enemies from upwards of a kilometre away.
+The Raiden pilot may also find themselves outclassed at extreme altitudes by aircraft such as the [[Ta 152 H-1]]. All these aircraft have to do to avoid the J2M5 is dive away and build up speed. Fortunately, this aircraft has a surprise - a massive ammunition pool totalling 800 rounds. With good aim and practice, it is possible to "snipe" enemies from upwards of a kilometre away.
 The J2M5 wields two 20 mm Type 99 Mk. 1 cannon and two 20 mm Type 99 Mk. 2 cannons in the wings. The stock belts are particularly lacklustre for both of these weapons but since there is such a large amount of ammunition carried in both the effect is virtually negated. The "Stealth" belt has the best combination of AP/API and HEF to shred enemy aircraft, and are recommended for those who do not need a tracer shell to aim. Alternatively, for those not used to IJN 20 mm, the "Universal" belt is the best bet. The "Tracers" belt is filled with HEF-T shells, but they only contain half of the power of a standard HEF and can give away the plane's position.
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 Overall, the Raiden is best used as a surprise attack, high altitude, high damage output fighter. Where it lacks in the manoeuvrability category, it makes up for in armament and rate of climb. The J2M5 also has improved cockpit visibility over the [[J2M2]] and [[J2M3]] variants.
-For ground attack, the J2M5 can equip two 60 kg bombs  under the wings. While not the biggest, these bombs can help a team win a match, especially in arcade battles. The J2M5 can also wield armour-piercing ground targets ammunition for its 20 mm cannons, although 21 mm of penetration is nothing to boast about and should be ignored, unless targeting armoured personal carriers (APC) or similar armoured cars.
+For ground attack, the J2M5 can equip two 60 kg bombs under the wings. While not the biggest, these bombs can help a team win a match, especially in arcade battles. The J2M5 can also wield armour-piercing ground targets ammunition for its 20 mm cannons, although 21 mm of penetration is nothing to boast about and should be ignored, unless targeting armoured personal carriers (APC) or similar armoured cars.
 === Manual Engine Control ===
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 * Good roll rate at lower speeds
 * Good turn performance at lower speeds with full use of flaps
-* Robust engine, won't give up to quickly in case of oil leak.
+* Robust engine, won't give up to quickly in case of oil leak
-* Improved cockpit visibility, sight was placed higher improving view of what is under-nose.
+* Improved cockpit visibility, sight was placed higher improving view of what is under-nose
 '''Cons:'''
 * Very poor high-speed performance
-* Very slow in comparison to your foes and allies.
+* Very slow in comparison to your foes and allies
-* Bad high altitude performance (7000 meters and above)
+* Bad high altitude performance (7,000 m and above)
 * Prone to engine and fuel fires
-* Doesn't turn well, this can lead to a "culture shock" among people used to carelessly out-turning all their foes in prior planes.
+* Doesn't turn well, this can lead to a "culture shock" among people used to carelessly outturning all their foes in prior planes
 * Elevator doesn't respond well, especially at high speeds
-* Lack of armour around fuel tanks or engine, lack of armoured pilot seat.
+* Lack of armour around fuel tanks or engine, lack of armoured pilot seat
 * Differing muzzle velocities between the two marks of the Type 99 cannon on the J2M5 will require different leads for each to hit
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 Within the Model 33 there has been several prototype variants and armament configurations of only one becoming a production line variant, the J2M5a, Raiden Model 33 Ko which had four 20 mm Type 99 Model 2 cannons.
-One other of these variants, the [[J2M5 30mm|J2M5 with Type 5 30 mm's]], which didn't make it to the production line, as by the time, bombers got through and bombed the Japanese logistics from December 1944 onward, which took its toll on the aircraft production overall.
+One other of these variants, the [[J2M5 30mm|J2M5 with Type 5 30 mm cannons]], which didn't make it to the production line, as by the time, bombers got through and bombed the Japanese logistics from December 1944 onward, which took its toll on the aircraft production overall.
 A direct hit on the Mitsubishi aircraft plant caused the complete loss of airframes, machine tools, and jigs and eventually halted production. Production generally suffered less from direct hits on factories, which were rare, but from attacks on suppliers and consequent shortages of material and construction tools.

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 '''Pros:'''
 * Large ammunition pool
-* Climbs very well
+* Large 70 mm bullet proof glass mounted at 42 degrees
 * Good roll rate at lower speeds
-* Improved cockpit visibility over [[J2M2]]/[[J2M3]]
+* Good turn performance at lower speeds with full use of flaps
 '''Cons:'''
 * Very poor high-speed performance
 * Prone to engine and fuel fires
-* Doesn't turn well, this can lead to a "culture shock" among people used to carelessly outturning all their foes in prior planes.
+* Doesn't turn well, this can lead to a "culture shock" among people used to carelessly out-turning all their foes in prior planes.
 * Elevator doesn't respond well, especially at high speeds
-* Lack of armour around fuel tanks or engine
+* Lack of armour around fuel tanks or engine, lack of armoured pilot seat.
 * Differing muzzle velocities between the two marks of the Type 99 cannon on the J2M5 will require different leads for each to hit
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 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=j2m5 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 == See also ==
 ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

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-Unlocking the Radiator upgrade should be the Raiden pilot's first concern, as the engine has overheating issues comparable to, though less quick than, the [[F8F-1B]] and [[Ki-83]], where it will gradually destroy itself even at 100% throttle - this upgrade slows that down via better cooling. Next in importance are the guns, because frankly, ''they suck.'' The individual bullets are stronger than those of Hispano and ShVAK cannons, with nearly 17g TNT equivalent, but suffer from quite low rate of fire compared with all of its contemporaries, and low muzzle velocity compared with a lot of contemporaries, AND differing muzzle velocity on the two types of Type 99 cannon it bears. Once firepower is upgraded, prioritize performance unlocks. Unlike the [[J2M3]], this one has no ordinance to unlock and the 60kg bombs are not worth using.
+Unlocking all performance modules should be a Raiden pilot's first concern, as the default belts for all weapons are workable. After that, go for the weapon belts, as these make more targets possible (ground units).
 == Armaments ==
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 == Usage in battles ==
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-The J2M5 can be thought of as an [[Fw 190 (Family)|Fw-190]] crossed with a [[Yak-3]]. The most similar plane elsewhere in the game is the [[I-185 (M-82)]], but with an engine tuned for higher altitudes at the cost of somewhat lower climb rate. It primarily can beat opponents by vertically looping them to death, similar to a Yak or Bf-109, but the horizontal maneuverability is surprisingly good, though not A6M Zero good. Generally, you can out-loop most opponents, and what you can't out-loop, you can probably out-turn.
+Although a stubby and small aircraft, the Mitsubishi J2M Raiden can be considered one of the best Japanese fighters. Wielding four 20 mm cannons, this aircraft is more than capable of dealing with heavy damage. However, the main advantage the Raiden has over its Allied counterparts is its climb rate. In Realistic Battles, the J2M5 can climb to higher altitudes very quickly, especially when given an air start. This facet of the Raiden's performance is particularly exemplified in the J2M5, the last in-game variant of the Raiden that features the greatest performance of the series. This is partially due to its mechanically-driven supercharger which allows the J2M5 to perform at altitudes once thought impossible by Japanese engineers. Once at a high altitude, it becomes possible to choose when, where, and who the J2M5 want to fight. The J2M5's 20 mm cannons may initially seem rather lacklustre but they have a knack for snapshots or quick bursts of fire that result in a victory while manoeuvring. Generally, the J2M5 performs similarly to the early [[Fw 190 (Family)|Fw 190 A variants]], having a deadly armament, good roll rate, low top speed, but higher climb rate. The J2M5 differs from this rule slightly as it was built for speed and high-altitude performance. The Raiden is best used as an energy fighter - instead of "turning and burning", or losing all built up speed in turns, attack enemies from a higher altitude and then regain that altitude once the attack has been delivered. The J2M5 excels at Boom & Zoom due to its high rate of climb, deadly armament, and high altitude characteristics.
-The J2M5 wields two 20 mm Type 99 Mk. 1 cannon and two 20 mm Type 99 Mk. 2 cannons in the wings. The stock belts are particularly lackluster, though a large ammo pool can allow you to get beyond that quickly. Stealth is the best belt despite the guns being subpar in both velocity and rate of fire compared with ALL of its opponents, because only the HEF rounds have fairly high TNT equivalent at nearly 17g per bullet. Comparatively the HEF-T and HEF-I rounds have around half that. Use Universal Belts to learn the gun lead, then swap to Stealth ASAP. Magnifying the problems is the fact that the guns have wildly different muzzle velocities. The outer pair of Type 99 Model 1s have 588m/s, which is ''atrociously slow''. The inner pair of Type 99 Model 2s meanwhile are 750m/s. Thus the firepower is very unfocused unless firing ''EXACTLY at your convergence range.''
+Sharing this role with other "energy fighters" such as the [[Fw_190_D-13|Fw 190 D-13]] the Raiden's main downside is its lack of manoeuvrability. Similar to its earlier mentioned German counterpart, the Raiden struggles to beat enemies in turn fights, especially Spitfires. If caught in a sticky situation, the Raiden pilot may choose to dive away or seek help from teammates. Trying to fight an enemy Spitfire in a turn battle with any J2M is a terrible idea unless the enemy aircraft is damaged or many teammates are nearby. Moreover, the J2M's high-speed manoeuvrability is very poor; often, it becomes a gamble when pulling out of a high-speed dive as the Raiden's elevator authority at high speeds is lacking. The entire aircraft locks up at excess speeds of 645 KPH/400 MPH. It can be very difficult to pull out of a dive, roll, or turn when at high speeds with the J2M. The Raiden's manoeuvrability is more or less on par with its enemies in simulator battles, for the most part.
-Overall, the Raiden is best used as a surprise attack, high altitude, vertically looping fighter that punishes enemy carelessness. It is less maneuverable than the Zero family, but gains noticeably more speed, though like the J2M3 the guns are iffy at best due to low rate of fire, low muzzle velocity, and two different muzzle velocities that cannot be fired independently of each other. The J2M5 also has improved cockpit visibility over the [[J2M2]] and [[J2M3]] variants.
+The Raiden pilot may also find themselves outclassed at extreme altitudes by aircraft such as the [[Ta_152_H-1|Ta 152]]. All these aircraft have to do to avoid the J2M5 is dive away and build up speed. Fortunately, this aircraft has a surprise - a massive ammunition pool totalling 800 rounds. With good aim and practice, it is possible to "snipe" enemies from upwards of a kilometre away.
-For ground attack, the J2M5 can equip two 60 kg bombs under the wings. These are barely enough to reliably kill Air AI Artillery, and are not advisable to take.
+The J2M5 wields two 20 mm Type 99 Mk. 1 cannon and two 20 mm Type 99 Mk. 2 cannons in the wings. The stock belts are particularly lacklustre for both of these weapons but since there is such a large amount of ammunition carried in both the effect is virtually negated. The "Stealth" belt has the best combination of AP/API and HEF to shred enemy aircraft, and are recommended for those who do not need a tracer shell to aim. Alternatively, for those not used to IJN 20 mm, the "Universal" belt is the best bet. The "Tracers" belt is filled with HEF-T shells, but they only contain half of the power of a standard HEF and can give away the plane's position.
 === Manual Engine Control ===
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 * Very poor high-speed performance
 * Prone to engine and fuel fires
-* Turning ability isn't as good as most other planes in Japanese tree, leading to "culture shock" among people used to carelessly out-turning all their foes in prior planes.
+* Doesn't turn well, this can lead to a "culture shock" among people used to carelessly outturning all their foes in prior planes.
 * Elevator doesn't respond well, especially at high speeds
 * Lack of armour around fuel tanks or engine
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 == History ==
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-Nearing the end of the war, the focus of the J2Ms was shifted towards even more local interceptors as requested at a faster approach. With the '''J2M5, ''Raiden Model 33'''''<nowiki/>'s a new and last engine revision was made, the Kasei 26a engine with a mechanically driven supercharger. This allowed the '''''Model 33''''' to get higher speeds at higher altitudes compared to that of the [[J2M4 Kai|J2M4, Model 32]] at the cost of total range which was a sacrifice that was required as American bombers got closer and closer to the mainland.
+Nearing the end of the war, the focus of the J2Ms was shifted towards even more local interceptors as requested at a faster approach. With the J2M5, Raiden Model 33's a new and last engine revision was made, the Kasei 26a engine with a mechanically driven supercharger. This allowed the Model 33 to get higher speeds at higher altitudes compared to that of the [[J2M4 Kai|J2M4, Model 32]] at the cost of total range which was a sacrifice that was required as American bombers got closer and closer to the mainland.
-Within the '''''Model 33''''' there has been several prototype variants and armament configurations of only one becoming a production line variant, the ''J2M5a, Raiden Model 33 Ko'' which had four 20 mm Type 99 Model 2 cannons.
+Within the Model 33 there has been several prototype variants and armament configurations of only one becoming a production line variant, the J2M5a, Raiden Model 33 Ko which had four 20 mm Type 99 Model 2 cannons.
 One other of these variants, the [[J2M5 30mm|J2M5 with Type 5 30 mm's]], which didn't make it to the production line, as by the time, bombers got through and bombed the Japanese logistics from December 1944 onward, which took its toll on the aircraft production overall.
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 == See also ==
 ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

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 A direct hit on the Mitsubishi aircraft plant caused the complete loss of airframes, machine tools, and jigs and eventually halted production. Production generally suffered less from direct hits on factories, which were rare, but from attacks on suppliers and consequent shortages of material and construction tools.
 == Media ==
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 {{Youtube-gallery|KqLoa0NIpzE|'''The Shooting Range #178''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 04:36 discusses the J2M "Raiden".}}
 == See also ==
 ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
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