J22-B - Revision history

U44629479: Undo revision 192948 by U130582833 (talk)

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Undo revision 192948 by U130582833 (talk)

U130582833: /* Usage in battles */

2024-09-23T18:44:32Z

‎Usage in battles

U44629479: Edits

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Edits

U139492321: Added some extra details with flight performance, another play style, and some more details about the guns.

2024-01-14T02:55:32Z

Added some extra details with flight performance, another play style, and some more details about the guns.

U44629479: Edits

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U106759395: /* Aircraft development and history */

2022-09-14T15:33:24Z

‎Aircraft development and history

U2962608 at 12:45, 27 November 2021

2021-11-27T12:45:32Z

U3312106: /* Details */

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‎Details

U3312106: /* External links */

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‎External links

U28580205: /* Pros and cons */

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‎Pros and cons

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 ;Low altitude bomber-attacker/interceptor
-In early matches, there are always players which insist on taking their bombers and interceptors to the deck where they can scatter the smaller 50 kg and 100 kg bombs on vehicles, pillboxes, anti-aircraft artillery and other targets and some of these aircraft even excel at this low altitude. The {{PAGENAME}} can take advantage of its more powerful engine at the lower altitude and attack bombers and attackers which are inbound or lining up to drop their ordnance. Due to these bombers and attacker aircraft typically having defensive gunners, the {{PAGENAME}} pilot will need to find an angle of attack which exposes them the least while giving them the best opportunity to shoot off a wing or make a critical shot in a fuel tank, engine, oil cooler, water cooler or even knock out the pilot. Sitting behind these aircraft and shooting away is not a smart move as the {{PAGENAME}} is susceptible to lose its engine or take a hit in a fuel tank or worse, the pilot.
+In early matches, there are always players which insist on taking their bombers and interceptors to the deck where they can scatter the smaller 50 kg and 100 kg bombs on vehicles, pillboxes, anti-aircraft artillery and other targets and some of these aircraft even excel at this low altitude. The {{PAGENAME}} can take advantage of its more powerful engine at the lower altitude and attack bombers and attackers which are inbound or lining up to drop their ordnance. Due to these bombers and attacker aircraft typically having defensive gunners, the {{PAGENAME}} pilot will need to find an angle of attack which exposes them the least while giving them the best opportunity to shoot off a wing or make a critical shot in a fuel tank, engine, oil cooler, water cooler or even knock out the pilot. Sitting behind these aircraft and shooing away is not a smart move as the {{PAGENAME}} is susceptible to lose its engine or take a hit in a fuel tank or worse, the pilot.
 ;Fighter interceptor

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 ;Low altitude bomber-attacker/interceptor
-In early matches, there are always players which insist on taking their bombers and interceptors to the deck where they can scatter the smaller 50 kg and 100 kg bombs on vehicles, pillboxes, anti-aircraft artillery and other targets and some of these aircraft even excel at this low altitude. The {{PAGENAME}} can take advantage of its more powerful engine at the lower altitude and attack bombers and attackers which are inbound or lining up to drop their ordnance. Due to these bombers and attacker aircraft typically having defensive gunners, the {{PAGENAME}} pilot will need to find an angle of attack which exposes them the least while giving them the best opportunity to shoot off a wing or make a critical shot in a fuel tank, engine, oil cooler, water cooler or even knock out the pilot. Sitting behind these aircraft and shooing away is not a smart move as the {{PAGENAME}} is susceptible to lose its engine or take a hit in a fuel tank or worse, the pilot.
+In early matches, there are always players which insist on taking their bombers and interceptors to the deck where they can scatter the smaller 50 kg and 100 kg bombs on vehicles, pillboxes, anti-aircraft artillery and other targets and some of these aircraft even excel at this low altitude. The {{PAGENAME}} can take advantage of its more powerful engine at the lower altitude and attack bombers and attackers which are inbound or lining up to drop their ordnance. Due to these bombers and attacker aircraft typically having defensive gunners, the {{PAGENAME}} pilot will need to find an angle of attack which exposes them the least while giving them the best opportunity to shoot off a wing or make a critical shot in a fuel tank, engine, oil cooler, water cooler or even knock out the pilot. Sitting behind these aircraft and shooting away is not a smart move as the {{PAGENAME}} is susceptible to lose its engine or take a hit in a fuel tank or worse, the pilot.
 ;Fighter interceptor

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 ;Fighter interceptor
-The {{PAGENAME}} is a relatively nimble aircraft and should be able to play both a Boom & Zoom style of fighting and also a limited version of turn fighting. Although turn fighting with biplanes is a bad idea, other contemporary monoplanes should at least be an even match. Care must be taken if a fighter with a speed or altitude advantage attacks as you must be ready to manoeuvre into a canopy roll, reduce throttle and work to cause the enemy to overshoot where you can power back up, line up a shot and make an attack of your own. When attempting to Boom & Zoom a target, don’t get wrapped up in turning to fight immediately after attacking if you miss or don’t damage them as bad as hoped, it is best to speed away and set up for another attack when the advantage is once again in your possession. Immediately turning into a fight after zooming in will cause the aircraft to bleed a lot of speed, while you may still get the shot, you are now in a difficult position of being in a lower state of energy and a more vulnerable target for enemy aircraft.
+The {{PAGENAME}} is a relatively nimble aircraft and should be able to play both a Boom & Zoom style of fighting and also a limited version of turnfighting. Although turnfighting with biplanes is a bad idea, other contemporary monoplanes should at least be an even match. Care must be taken if a fighter with a speed or altitude advantage attacks as you must be ready to manoeuvre into a canopy roll, reduce throttle and work to cause the enemy to overshoot where you can power back up, line up a shot and make an attack of your own. When attempting to Boom & Zoom a target, don’t get wrapped up in turning to fight immediately after attacking if you miss or don’t damage them as bad as hoped, it is best to speed away and set up for another attack when the advantage is once again in your possession. Immediately turning into a fight after zooming in will cause the aircraft to bleed a lot of speed, while you may still get the shot, you are now in a difficult position of being in a lower state of energy and a more vulnerable target for enemy aircraft.
-'''Turn fighter'''
+;Turnfighter
-The J22-B is excellent at horizontal plane turning, especially with the high-tolerance combat and take-off flaps, which in some circumstances allow you to outturn the Soviet Yak-9s. It also outturns or is equal in terms of turning as a vast majority of American aircraft in the 2.7-4.7 range, with a few exceptions. Most aircraft the J22-B can outturn, however, will outclimb and/or outrun it, especially the notorious German [[Bf 109 (Family)]]. The J22-B can still be outturned by [[A6M (Family)]], whom are the best at turning for a majority of battle ratings they are at. The excellent 13.2mm Akan m/39 machine guns of the J22-B also help with turn-fighting, as they don't need heaps of lead and fire very quickly. Even a few hits from the can determine life or death for the enemy aircraft.
+The J22-B is excellent at horizontal plane turning, especially with the high-tolerance combat and take-off flaps, which in some circumstances allow you to outturn the Soviet Yak-9s. It also outturns or is equal in terms of turning as a vast majority of American aircraft in the 2.7-4.7 range, with a few exceptions. Most aircraft the J22-B can outturn, however, will outclimb and/or outrun it, especially the notorious German [[Bf 109 (Family)|Bf 109]]. The J22-B can still be outturned by the [[A6M (Family)|A6M]], who are the best at turning in the majority of battle ratings they are at. The excellent 13.2 mm Akan m/39 machine guns of the J22-B also help with turnfighting, as they don't need heaps of lead and fire very quickly. Even a few hits are enough to hinder an enemy aircraft.
 === Manual Engine Control ===
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 ''I have read that you once ended up in a dogfight with a FW 190?''
-"That is completely wrong. What happened was that I was over Malmö Harbor in a fight in my J22 with a Heinkel 111. He was shooting at me and I was shooting at him, trying to make him leave Swedish territory. I finally got him smoking. He was probably on his way to Copenhagen, but I don't think he made it as he was losing altitude. I saw an aircraft behind me and I thought it was a FW 190 as they also were stationed in Copenhagen and I pulled away as much as I could and was able to lose him. It turned out that it was my wingman. He was a little late taking off so he was rather far behind me. The J22 was very similar to the FW190 so it was difficult to tell them apart. We were really scared of the FW 190. We could probably out-turn them but we really didn't want to try... My wingman was a little angry at me after this incident, but I told him what happened and he understood."<ref name="Langbro" />
+"That is completely wrong. What happened was that I was over Malmö Harbor in a fight in my J22 with a Heinkel 111. He was shooting at me and I was shooting at him, trying to make him leave Swedish territory. I finally got him smoking. He was probably on his way to Copenhagen, but I don't think he made it as he was losing altitude. I saw an aircraft behind me and I thought it was a FW 190 as they also were stationed in Copenhagen and I pulled away as much as I could and was able to lose him. It turned out that it was my wingman. He was a little late taking off so he was rather far behind me. The J22 was very similar to the FW 190 so it was difficult to tell them apart. We were really scared of the FW 190. We could probably out-turn them but we really didn't want to try... My wingman was a little angry at me after this incident, but I told him what happened and he understood."<ref name="Langbro" />
 == Media ==

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 The {{PAGENAME}} is a good middle of the road aircraft, especially with its manoeuvrability. Some may fear heavy hitters such as the P-47, J2M or Fw 190, but with using throttle control and manoeuvring characteristics of this fighter, it can wiggle its way out of tight spots and can even end up causing the enemy to overshoot where then it can line up a shot and dispatch the overeager pilot now caught in the cross-hairs.
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 * 4 x 13.2 mm Akan m/39 machine guns, wing-mounted (250 rpg = 1,000 total)
-Having found the two different calibre machine guns hampered the effectiveness of the J 22A, a second version of the aircraft was released where the two 8 mm machine guns were removed and replaced with two more 13.2 mm Akan m/39 machine guns, allowing for a total of four 13.2 mm machine guns. While this may only seem to have been a slight increase, the difference is remarkable because it allowed for the pilots to relax a bit their preparation and attack on enemy aircraft, giving them more time to plan and execute the attack then calculate convergence and drop rate of their ammunition.
+Having found the two different calibre machine guns hampered the effectiveness of the J22-A, a second version of the aircraft was released where the two 8 mm machine guns were removed and replaced with two more 13.2 mm Akan m/39 machine guns, allowing for a total of four 13.2 mm machine guns. While this may only seem to have been a slight increase, the difference is remarkable because it allowed for the pilots to relax a bit their preparation and attack on enemy aircraft, giving them more time to plan and execute the attack then calculate convergence and drop rate of their ammunition.
-It is still necessary for the pilot to factor in convergence for their guns due to all four being mounted in the wings. With all the same calibre, bullet drop can be more predictable since they are will all start to lose energy and drop relatively at the same time. This helps to ensure more rounds hitting the enemy target and less missing. With this consistency, pilots which prefer to attack aircraft from a bit more of a distance can set their convergence from 350 m – 600 m with good results and some with experience to be set as much as 800 m. Though, much like the J 22A, having the convergence set from 250 m to 400 m and attacking within the 200 m to 350 m range will rain down a hail storm of bullets intent on dismantling or destroying critical components of the enemy aircraft.
+The machine guns have just under 15 seconds of firing, and combined with the fast fire rate, 4 guns and HEF-T rounds in the Air Targets belt, the guns will shred anything save for the heaviest of bombers at the battle rating very quickly.
 == Usage in battles ==
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 The {{PAGENAME}} is a relatively nimble aircraft and should be able to play both a Boom & Zoom style of fighting and also a limited version of turn fighting. Although turn fighting with biplanes is a bad idea, other contemporary monoplanes should at least be an even match. Care must be taken if a fighter with a speed or altitude advantage attacks as you must be ready to manoeuvre into a canopy roll, reduce throttle and work to cause the enemy to overshoot where you can power back up, line up a shot and make an attack of your own. When attempting to Boom & Zoom a target, don’t get wrapped up in turning to fight immediately after attacking if you miss or don’t damage them as bad as hoped, it is best to speed away and set up for another attack when the advantage is once again in your possession. Immediately turning into a fight after zooming in will cause the aircraft to bleed a lot of speed, while you may still get the shot, you are now in a difficult position of being in a lower state of energy and a more vulnerable target for enemy aircraft.
 === Manual Engine Control ===
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 * Underestimated agility, can quickly turn tables on attackers
 * Has mirrors for rear viewing
-* Four 13.2 mm machine guns with access to HEF-T rounds by default will shred the generally unarmoured planes
+* Four fast-firing 13.2 mm machine guns with access to HEF-T rounds by default will shred the generally unarmoured planes
 '''Cons:'''

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 With World War II on the brink of starting, Sweden realized that their air fleet was outdated and many foreign options fell through either through unacceptable offers, embargoes or unrealistic transit times. SAAB was already at maximum capacity building SAAB 17 fighters and SAAB 18 bombers and could not help. To bypass this problem, a new company and factory were setup (Royal Air Administration Factory in Stockholm, FFVS) to build the J 22 fighter. This fighter was relatively straight forward as a steel frame and plywood covered aircraft of a conventional build. The main landing gear retracted into the fuselage and everything was built simplistically to aid in the expedient building along with easy maintenance.
-Due to the necessity of needing engines for this aircraft, an unlicensed copy of the Pratt & Whitney R-1830 engine was built and utilised (though later the license fees were paid). The simplicity of the aircraft not only made it a dream to build and maintain but for the pilots which flew it, they stated that it was well-liked and was very responsive resulting in good manoeuvrability. Though problems typical to tail-dragger aircraft, forward visibility while taxiing was terrible and it was necessary to lock in the tail wheel on takeoff to prevent the aircraft from entering into a ground-loop and crashing. Pilots found that the {{PAGENAME}} could hold its own in a mock dogfight with Swedish P-51s (J 26) as long as they remained under 4,000 m (13,000 ft), anywhere above that, the fighter began to struggle and lose any equality or advantage it had over the Mustangs and required the pilot to really work the controls just to be anywhere close to competitive. Tight turns sometimes resulted in the {{PAGENAME}} inadvertently flipping over onto its back.
+Due to the necessity of needing engines for this aircraft, an unlicensed copy of the Pratt & Whitney R-1830 engine was built and utilised (though later the license fees were paid). The simplicity of the aircraft not only made it a dream to build and maintain but for the pilots which flew it, they stated that it was well-liked and was very responsive resulting in good manoeuvrability. Though problems typical to tail-dragger aircraft, forward visibility while taxiing was terrible and it was necessary to lock in the tail wheel on takeoff to prevent the aircraft from entering into a ground-loop and crashing. Pilots found that the {{PAGENAME}} could hold its own in a mock dogfight with Swedish P-51s (J26) as long as they remained under 4,000 m (13,000 ft), anywhere above that, the fighter began to struggle and lose any equality or advantage it had over the Mustangs and required the pilot to really work the controls just to be anywhere close to competitive. Tight turns sometimes resulted in the {{PAGENAME}} inadvertently flipping over onto its back.
 Pilots in War Thunder will find controlling the {{PAGENAME}} relatively easy especially when speed is maintained as long as they remain under the 4,000 m ceiling. This fighter is not necessarily the best choice for intercepting bombers unless they attempt to tackle the smaller attacker/bombers or low-altitude strategic bombers like the [[Do 17 (Family)|Do 17]], [[Su-2 (Family)|Su-2]]s or other bombers in this size/weight range. The {{PAGENAME}} should be able to hold its own with most fighters in a dogfight, however, it would be wise to look for any speed/height advantages before taking on an A6M or Spitfire. Like many fighters of its day, being outfitted with only machine guns can mean more time spent firing at a target, but for those pilots who properly set their convergence and then fight within that range, the four machine guns should be more than sufficient to take down most enemy fighters.
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 * Underestimated agility, can quickly turn tables on attackers
 * Has mirrors for rear viewing
-* Four 13.2 mm machine guns with access to HEF-T rounds by default will shred the generally unarmored planes
+* Four 13.2 mm machine guns with access to HEF-T rounds by default will shred the generally unarmoured planes
 '''Cons:'''
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 ;Skins
-* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=sweden&vehicleType=aircraft&vehicleClass=fighter&vehicle=ffvs_j22_b Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
+* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=ffvs_j22_b Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 ;Images
-<div><ul>
+<gallery mode="packed-hover" heights="150">
-<li style="display: inline-block;"> [[File:FFVS_J22_WTWallpaper_001.jpg|thumb|none|250px|]] </li>
+File:FFVS_J22_WTWallpaper_001.jpg
-<li style="display: inline-block;"> [[File:FFVS_J22_WTWallpaper_002.jpg|thumb|none|250px|]] </li>
+File:FFVS_J22_WTWallpaper_002.jpg
-<li style="display: inline-block;"> [[File:FFVS_J22_WTWallpaper_003.jpg|thumb|none|250px|]] </li>
+File:FFVS_J22_WTWallpaper_003.jpg
-<li style="display: inline-block;"> [[File:FFVS_J22_WTWallpaper_005.jpg|thumb|none|250px|]] </li>
+File:FFVS_J22_WTWallpaper_005.jpg
-<li style="display: inline-block;"> [[File:FFVS_J22_WTWallpaper_006.jpg|thumb|none|250px|]] </li>
+File:FFVS_J22_WTWallpaper_006.jpg
-</ul></div>
+</gallery>
 ;Videos
-{{Youtube-gallery|2liNekQlD0U|'''Lethal weapon! {{PAGENAME}} Review!"'''  - ''Jengar''}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|2liNekQlD0U|'''Lethal weapon! {{PAGENAME}} Review!"''' - ''Jengar''}}
 == See also ==
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 ==== Aircraft development and history ====
-As World War started to break out in Europe in 1939, a nervous neutral Sweden watched as the Soviets attempted to advance on Finland and Germany amassing power and heading for France. Looking at its current air forces, the Swedish military realized their fighter aircraft, older Gloster Gladiator [[J8A|J 8]] biplane fighters were largely outdated when compared to up and coming Bf 109s and early Soviet fighters like the [[I-301]] (or later known as [[LaGG-3 (Family)|LaGG-3]]. With SAAB’s current production plant cranking out SAAB 17 reconnaissance/bombers with SAAB 18 bomber in development, no room, mechanics or design team personnel were available to spare for the development and creation of a modern fighter airplane for the Swedish Air Force.
+As World War started to break out in Europe in 1939, a nervous neutral Sweden watched as the Soviets attempted to advance on Finland and Germany amassing power and heading for France. Looking at its current air forces, the Swedish military realized their fighter aircraft, older Gloster Gladiator [[J8A|J 8]] biplane fighters were largely outdated when compared to up and coming Bf 109s and early Soviet fighters like the [[I-301]] (or later known as [[LaGG-3 (Family)|LaGG-3]]). With SAAB’s current production plant cranking out SAAB 17 reconnaissance/bombers with SAAB 18 bomber in development, no room, mechanics or design team personnel were available to spare for the development and creation of a modern fighter airplane for the Swedish Air Force.
 Desperate for immediate aircraft, Sweden reached out to the United States with an interest in the Seversky P-35 (J 9) and the P-66 Vanguard (J 10) which almost 250 of these aircraft were ordered, however, as fate would have it, Germany invaded Norway in mid-1940 resulting in the United States halting the exporting of all weapons through an embargo with any foreign country with the exception of Great Britain. A new look cast light on the Finnish fighter the VL Myrsky and the Soviet Polikarpov I-16, however, the aircraft did not make the cut and did not meet the requirements that the Swedish military was looking for. Though the Mitsubishi [[A6M (Family)|A6M]] Zero was an option, attempting to deliver these from Japan was not a feasible option. Instead, a decision was made to build a local fighter, however as a stop-gap measure, several [[CR.42]] (J 11) and Reggiane [[Re.2000 G.A.|Re.2000]] (J 20) fighters were purchased.

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 * 60 mm - bulletproof glass
 * 5 mm - engine-cockpit firewall
-* 10 mm steel - pilot's seat and headrest
+* 10 mm steel - pilot's seat
 === Modifications and economy ===

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 ! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 |-
-| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 520 || 450 || 225 || ~8 || ~6
+| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 487 || 444 || 225 || ~9 || ~6
 |-
 |}

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 * [https://web.archive.org/web/20120213150808/http://www.hobbybokhandeln.se/j22/index.htm F.F.V.S. J22 Fighter Aircraft - From a technical perspective - Service in the Swedish Airforce 1943-1952]
 * [[wikipedia:FFVS_J_22|[Wikipedia] FFVS J 22]]
 === References ===

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 * Underestimated agility, can quickly turn tables on attackers
 * Has mirrors for rear viewing
-* 4 13.2mm machine guns with access to HEF-T rounds by default will shred the generally unarmored planes of its BR
+* Four 13.2 mm machine guns with access to HEF-T rounds by default will shred the generally unarmored planes
 '''Cons:'''
-* Poor high altitude performance, but in a downier almost no planes climb to altitudes high enough to be a significant disadvantage and in an uptier enemy attackers are generally easy pickings
+* Poor high altitude performance, but in a downtier almost no planes climb to altitudes high enough to be a significant disadvantage and in an uptier enemy attackers are generally easy pickings
-* No suspended ordnance and a lack of penetration from the 13.2mm guns leave it lacking in ground attack options
+* No suspended ordnance and a lack of penetration from the 13.2 mm guns leave it lacking in ground attack options
 == History ==