J-7D - Revision history

U12017485: /* Pros and cons */ +Energy retention

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‎Pros and cons: +Energy retention

U38088265: /* Armaments */

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‎Armaments

U4656018: /* Description */ typo for Su-27SK (SL instead of SK) and additions to CKD/SKD J-11A

2023-11-21T14:17:38Z

‎Description: typo for Su-27SK (SL instead of SK) and additions to CKD/SKD J-11A

U126667727: /* Details */

2023-06-25T12:33:13Z

‎Details

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */ Updated

2023-06-18T09:46:15Z

‎Suspended armament: Updated

U38088265: /* Flight performance */

2023-06-04T09:56:17Z

‎Flight performance

U38088265: /* Description */

2023-05-19T09:39:12Z

‎Description

U138796218: /* Pros and cons */

2023-05-10T09:21:10Z

‎Pros and cons

U4656018: Revision of description up-to current standards and minor grammar revisions

2023-04-22T21:53:17Z

Revision of description up-to current standards and minor grammar revisions

U44629479: /* External links */ Added Devblog

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‎External links: Added Devblog

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 '''Cons:'''
 * Engine overheats on most maps if left in WEP
 * Poor radar performance with shorter range than common foes like [[F-14A Early|F-14]], [[F-4E Phantom II|F-4E]]

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 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
-* A choice between two presets:
+* 1 x 23 mm Type 23-3 cannon, belly-mounted (200 rpg)
-** 1 x 23 mm Type 23-3 cannon, belly-mounted (200 rpg)
+* 72 x countermeasures
 === Suspended armament ===
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 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
 |-
-! !! width="11%" | 1 !! width="11%" | 2 !! width="11%" | 3 !! width="11%" | 4
+! !! width="9%" | 1 !! width="9%" | 2 !! width="9%" | 3 !! width="9%" | 4 !! width="9%" | 5
-| rowspan="11" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_MiG-21bis.png]]</div>
+| rowspan="12" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_MiG-21bis.png]]</div>
 |-
 ! [[250-3 (250 kg)|250 kg 250-3]] bombs
-| 1 || 1 || 1 || 1
+| 1 || 1 || || 1 || 1
 |-
 ! [[250-4 (250 kg)|250 kg 250-4]] bombs
-| 1 || 1 || 1 || 1
+| 1 || 1 || || 1 || 1
 |-
 ! [[500-3 (500 kg)|500 kg 500-3]] bombs
-| || 1 || 1 ||
+| || 1 || || 1 ||
 |-
 ! [[500-4 (500 kg)|500 kg 500-4]] bombs
-| || 1 || 1 ||
+| || 1 || || 1 ||
 |-
 ! [[Type 90-1]] rockets
-| 7 || 7 || 7 || 7
+| 7 || 7 || || 7 || 7
 |-
 ! [[Type 130-2]] rockets
-| 4 || 4 || 4 || 4
+| 4 || 4 || || 4 || 4
 |-
 ! [[PL-2]] missiles
-| 1 || 1 || 1 || 1
+| 1 || 1 || || 1 || 1
 |-
 ! [[PL-5B]] missiles
-| 1 || 1 || 1 || 1
+| 1 || 1 || || 1 || 1
 |-
 ! [[PL-7]] missiles
-| 1 || 1 || 1 || 1
+| 1 || 1 || || 1 || 1
 |-
-| colspan="5" | Maximum permissible weight imbalance: 570 kg
+! 490 l drop tanks
 |-
 |}
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 {{Navigation-First-Simple-Line}}
-* Without load
+* 3 x 490 l drop tanks
 * 4 x PL-2 missiles
 * 4 x PL-5B missiles

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The J-7D (Chinese: 歼-7D型歼击机, AKA J-7IIIA 歼-7IIIA; unified NATO codename: Fishcan) was an upgrade of the previous J-7C (J-7III), which was based on Egyptian MiG-21MFs with domestic avionics and HUD. The PLAAF obtained MiG-21MF aircraft from Egypt, and due to the slow progress of the J-8 development program and the need for interceptors to counter potential Soviet threats, there were plans to replace the J-8II series with a reverse-engineered variant. Although the development of the J-7D was successful and showed improved performance in some aspects, the J-8II program and the introduction of the Su-27SL Flanker-B to the PLAAF limited the demand for the J-7D, resulting in only a few orders being placed to utilize the prebuilt airframes.
+The J-7D (Chinese: 歼-7D型歼击机, AKA J-7IIIA 歼-7IIIA; unified NATO codename: Fishcan) was an upgrade of the previous J-7C (J-7III), which was based on Egyptian MiG-21MFs with domestic avionics and HUD. The PLAAF obtained MiG-21MF aircraft from Egypt, and due to the slow progress of the J-8 development program and the need for interceptors to counter potential Soviet threats, there were plans to replace the J-8II series with a reverse-engineered variant. Although the development of the J-7D was successful and showed improved performance in some aspects, the J-8II program and the introduction of the Su-27SK Flanker-B (and its licensed CKD/SKD variant, J-11A) to the PLAAF limited the demand for the J-7D, resulting in only a few orders being placed to utilize the prebuilt airframes.
 Introduced in [[Update "Apex Predators"]], the J-7D offers very similar performance to the late MiG-21 series but with a better engine and increased fuel capacity. While it lacks missiles for head-on/interception missions and large-calibre rockets like S-24s, its combat capabilities are still substantial with its IR AAMs and variety of Chinese ground-attack weaponries.
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 {{Navigation-Start|Default weapon presets}}
 {{Navigation-First-Simple-Line}}
 * Without load
 * 4 x PL-2 missiles

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 ! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 |-
-| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || - || 500 || 450 || ~12 || ~6
+| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || - || 500 || 450 || ~17 || ~7
 |-
 |}

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 {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
-The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance presets:
+The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
 |-
-! !! width="12%" | 1 !! width="12%" | 2 !! width="12%" | 3 !! width="12%" | 4
+! !! width="11%" | 1 !! width="11%" | 2 !! width="11%" | 3 !! width="11%" | 4
-| rowspan="7" width="25%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_MiG-21bis.png]]</div>
+| rowspan="11" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_MiG-21bis.png]]</div>
 |-
-! 250 kg 250-3 bombs
+! [[250-4 (250 kg)|250 kg 250-4]] bombs
 | 1 || 1 || 1 || 1
 |-
-! 500 kg 500-3 bombs
+! [[500-3 (500 kg)|500 kg 500-3]] bombs
 | || 1 || 1 ||
 |-
-! Type 90-1 rockets
+! [[500-4 (500 kg)|500 kg 500-4]] bombs
 | 7 || 7 || 7 || 7
 |-
-! Type 130-2 rockets
+! [[Type 130-2]] rockets
 | 4 || 4 || 4 || 4
 |-
-! PL-2 missiles
+! [[PL-2]] missiles
 | 1 || 1 || 1 || 1
 |-
-! PL-5B missiles
+! [[PL-5B]] missiles
 | 1 || 1 || 1 || 1
 |-
-! PL-7 missiles
+! [[PL-7]] missiles
 | 1 || 1 || 1 || 1
 |-
 |}
 To say the least, the loadout of the J-7D is very similar to its (technological) successor J-7E, as they share 5 out of the 6 loadouts. The only difference is the missiles it carries: instead of having already obsolete PL-2, it has PL-7 (reverse-engineered R.550 Magic 1 from Pakistan) at your disposal which players of French aircraft are very familiar with. In terms of A2A capabilities, J-7D does lack SARH missiles of any sort (R-3R, for example), but both IR-guided AAMs are among the best of their counterparts. For those who are familiar with the PL-5B's immersive thrust and overload even at distance, they can take down enemies from some distance as a safer approach to confronting masses of jets. Alternatively take PL-7 if players prefer hitting targets within 2.5 km, it might not be as powerful in higher tier where flares are abundant, it can still make short work of careless targets.

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 |-
 ! Stock
-| ___ || ___ || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || rowspan="2" | 750
+| 2,348 || 2,323 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 26.9 || 27.9 || 143.2 || 134.3 || rowspan="2" | 750
 |-
 ! Upgraded
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 ! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 |-
-| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || ___ || ___ || ___ || ~__ || ~__
+| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || - || 500 || 450 || ~12 || ~6
 |-
 |}
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 ! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
 |-
-| < ___ || < ___ || < ___ || N/A
+| < 650 || < 600 || < 950 || -
 |-
 |}
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 ! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
 |-
-| colspan="2" |Shenyang Liming WP-13FI||1
+| colspan="2" | Shenyang Liming WP-13FI || 1
-| colspan="2" | _,___ kg || colspan="2" | ___ kg/m<sup>2</sup>
+| colspan="2" | 5,812 kg || colspan="2" | 353 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
 |-
 ! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
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 |-
 ! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
-! _m fuel || __m fuel || __m fuel
+! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel
 |-
 | 1,200 kg || colspan="2" | Afterburning axial-flow turbojet
-| _,___ kg || _,___ kg || _,___ kg || _,___ kg
+| 6,501 kg || 7,297 kg || 8,108 kg || 9,635 kg
 |-
 ! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
-! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (___%/WEP)
+! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (WEP)
 |-
-! Condition || 100% || ___%/WEP
+! Condition || 100% || WEP
-! _m fuel || __m fuel || __m fuel || MGW
+! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || MGW
 |-
-| ''Stationary'' || ___ kgf || ___ kgf
+| ''Stationary'' || 4,160 kgf || 6,751 kgf
-| _.__ || _.__ || _.__ || _.__
+| 1.04 || 0.93 || 0.83 || 0.70
 |-
-| ''Optimal'' || ___ kgf<br>(_ km/h) || ___ kgf<br>(_ km/h)
+| ''Optimal'' || 4,283 kgf<br>(1,365 km/h) || 7,411 kgf<br>(1,365 km/h)
-| _.__ || _.__ || _.__ || _.__
+| 1.14 || 1.02 || 0.91 || 0.77
 |-
 |}

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 '''Air - Sudden Striker'''
-For players who are already used to the MiG-21MF or its Soviet equivalents (SM or later Bis), a bad news for J-7D is the lack of any head-on capable missiles (neither R-60M nor R-3R, due to the incapability to develop such missile until mid-1980s). Players will also find the radar as a welcome but not effective addition to the jet due to its already obsolete performance at its BR. But to say at least, J-7D performs identically to 2nd generation Fishbeds with slightly better engine output and overall better missile options. It has neither highly-manoeuvrable missiles like the R-60(MK) nor SARH missiles, but this will be compensated by two of the most powerful rear-aspect IR AAMs in game: PL-5B and PL-7 (R550 Magic 1). For players of the J-7E or J-8B, they will still be pleased by the immersive thrust of the missile and the rather high manoeuvrability at longer distance. For those who are used to French jets or A-5C, the PL-7 still retains identical performance to the Magic 1. Depending on the playstyle, players can either take the PL-5B for long-distance sudden strikes on unaware enemies or PL-7 for close distance combats within 2.5 km: it does have the chance to track onto most enemies at this tier given the flares won't distract the missile. A principle for delta jets like the J-7D is to never get into a dogfight unless in an 1-vs-1 situation. Due to the design of delta wings, the wing area of delta wings will certainly cause severe bleeding on speed after manoeuvres against enemy targets, which is extremely fatal to jets. It might be true that the lesser weight yet more powerful jet engine can compensate the manoeuvrability, but it is still suggested to use the J-7D as a support fighter and strike unaware enemies, and only go into gunfights if it has high likelihood to friendly-fire or if there's only one enemy left.
+For players who are already used to the MiG-21MF or its Soviet equivalents (SMT or later Bis), a bad news for J-7D is the lack of any head-on capable missiles (neither R-60M nor R-3R, due to the incapability to develop such missile until mid-1980s). Players will also find the radar as a welcome but not effective addition to the jet due to its already obsolete performance at its BR. But to say at least, J-7D performs identically to 2nd generation Fishbeds with slightly better engine output and overall better missile options. It has neither highly-manoeuvrable missiles like the R-60(MK) nor SARH missiles, but this will be compensated by two of the most powerful rear-aspect IR AAMs in game: PL-5B and PL-7 (R550 Magic 1). For players of the J-7E or J-8B, they will still be pleased by the immersive thrust of the missile and the rather high manoeuvrability at longer distance. For those who are used to French jets or A-5C, the PL-7 still retains identical performance to the Magic 1. Depending on the playstyle, players can either take the PL-5B for long-distance sudden strikes on unaware enemies or PL-7 for close distance combats within 2 km: it does have the chance to track onto most enemies at this tier given the flares won't distract the missile. A principle for delta jets like the J-7D is to never get into a dogfight unless in an 1-vs-1 situation. Due to the design of delta wings, the wing area of delta wings will certainly cause severe bleeding on speed after manoeuvres against enemy targets, which is extremely fatal to jets. It might be true that the lesser weight yet more powerful jet engine can compensate the manoeuvrability, but it is still suggested to use the J-7D as a support fighter and strike unaware enemies, and only go into gunfights if it has high likelihood to friendly-fire or if there's only one enemy left.
 '''Ground - "Economical" Alternative'''
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 '''Cons:'''
-* Bleeds energy severely during manoeuvres due to delta wing design
+* Engine overheats on most maps if left in WEP
 * Poor radar performance with shorter range than common foes like [[F-14A Early|F-14]], [[F-4E Phantom II|F-4E]]
 * Lacks all-aspect IR missiles and SARH missiles

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (Chinese: 歼-7D, previously J-7IIIA; unified NATO codename: Fishcan) is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Apex Predators"]].
+The J-7D (Chinese: 歼-7D型歼击机, AKA J-7IIIA 歼-7IIIA; unified NATO codename: Fishcan) was an upgrade of the previous J-7C (J-7III) which was based on Egyptian MiG-21MF with domestic avionics and HUD. After PLAAF got their hands on MiG-21MF from Egypt and the overall slow progress of J-8, there were plans that the reverse-engineered jet would replace J-8II series due to its slow progress as well as dire needs for interceptors against Soviet assaults; although the development for the jet was successful with better performance in some aspects, due to the success of J-8II and its subsystems, as well as introduction of Su-27SL Flanker-B to PLAAF, J-7D only received few orders only to utilize all the prebuilt airframes.
-The reverse-engineered version of the MiG-21MF from Egypt for all-weather operations, J-7D offers very similar performance to the late MiG-21 series with better engine and higher fuel capacity. While it lacks SARH missiles for head-on/interception missions and large-calibre rockets like S-24s, the overall combat capabilities can be still ensured by its IR AAMs and variety of Chinese ground-attack weaponries.
+Introduced in [[Update "Apex Predators"]], J-7D was a reverse-engineered version of the MiG-21MF from Egypt for all-weather operations, J-7D offers very similar performance to the late MiG-21 series with better engine and higher fuel capacity. While it lacks missiles for head-on/interception missions and large-calibre rockets like S-24s, the overall combat capabilities can be still ensured by its IR AAMs and variety of Chinese ground-attack weaponries.
 == General info ==
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 |}
-To say the least, the loadout of the J-7D is very similar to its (technological) successor J-7E, as they share 5 out of the 6 loadouts. The only difference is the missiles it carries: instead of having already obsolete PL-2, it has PL-7 (reverse-engineered R.550 Magic 1 from Pakistan) players of French aircraft are very familiar with. In terms of A2A capabilities, J-7D does lack SARH missiles of any sort (R-3R, for example), but both IR-guided AAMs are among the best of their counterparts. For those who are familiar with the PL-5B's immersive thrust and overload even at distance, they can take down enemies from some distance as a safer approach to confronting masses of jets. Alternatively take PL-7 if players prefer hitting targets within 2.5 km, it might not be as powerful in higher tier where flares are abundant, it can still make short work of careless targets.
+To say the least, the loadout of the J-7D is very similar to its (technological) successor J-7E, as they share 5 out of the 6 loadouts. The only difference is the missiles it carries: instead of having already obsolete PL-2, it has PL-7 (reverse-engineered R.550 Magic 1 from Pakistan) at your disposal which players of French aircraft are very familiar with. In terms of A2A capabilities, J-7D does lack SARH missiles of any sort (R-3R, for example), but both IR-guided AAMs are among the best of their counterparts. For those who are familiar with the PL-5B's immersive thrust and overload even at distance, they can take down enemies from some distance as a safer approach to confronting masses of jets. Alternatively take PL-7 if players prefer hitting targets within 2.5 km, it might not be as powerful in higher tier where flares are abundant, it can still make short work of careless targets.
 If players also decided to take on ground targets, it still has limited but sufficient options like 250/500 kg bombs and rockets of different calibre (90/130 mm). The ballistic computer also helps achieve precision hits depending on the playstyle and overall situation of the battlefield. Bring in bombs in case of columns of tanks within the blast radius, both types of bombs show enemies the importance of "social-distancing". While rockets are better for destroying SPAAs from above (since they don't have radar coverage above; given the skies are clear), for players who get used to the ballistics performance of rockets, it can still knock out even the heaviest MBTs with precision hits from 130 mm HEAT Type 90-1 rockets with overpressure.
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 '''Air - Sudden Striker'''
 For players who are already used to the MiG-21MF or its Soviet equivalents (SM or later Bis), a bad news for J-7D is the lack of any head-on capable missiles (neither R-60M nor R-3R, due to the incapability to develop such missile until mid-1980s). Players will also find the radar as a welcome but not effective addition to the jet due to its already obsolete performance at its BR. But to say at least, J-7D performs identically to 2nd generation Fishbeds with slightly better engine output and overall better missile options. It has neither highly-manoeuvrable missiles like the R-60(MK) nor SARH missiles, but this will be compensated by two of the most powerful rear-aspect IR AAMs in game: PL-5B and PL-7 (R550 Magic 1). For players of the J-7E or J-8B, they will still be pleased by the immersive thrust of the missile and the rather high manoeuvrability at longer distance. For those who are used to French jets or A-5C, the PL-7 still retains identical performance to the Magic 1. Depending on the playstyle, players can either take the PL-5B for long-distance sudden strikes on unaware enemies or PL-7 for close distance combats within 2.5 km: it does have the chance to track onto most enemies at this tier given the flares won't distract the missile. A principle for delta jets like the J-7D is to never get into a dogfight unless in an 1-vs-1 situation. Due to the design of delta wings, the wing area of delta wings will certainly cause severe bleeding on speed after manoeuvres against enemy targets, which is extremely fatal to jets. It might be true that the lesser weight yet more powerful jet engine can compensate the manoeuvrability, but it is still suggested to use the J-7D as a support fighter and strike unaware enemies, and only go into gunfights if it has high likelihood to friendly-fire or if there's only one enemy left.

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 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.'' -->
-* ''topic on the official game forum;''
+* [[wt:en/news/8015-shop-pre-order-new-rank-vii-premium-jet-fighters-part-2-en|[Shop] Pre-order: new rank VII Premium jet fighters (part 2)]]
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