J-4 - Revision history

U38088265: /* Offensive armament */ Updated

2023-09-21T12:38:18Z

‎Offensive armament: Updated

U44629479: Edits

2023-07-04T09:01:06Z

Edits

U4656018: Updated description to current standards

2023-07-04T08:59:44Z

Updated description to current standards

U38088265: /* Details */

2023-05-20T15:43:17Z

‎Details

U44629479: Edits

2022-12-02T07:28:33Z

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U38088265: /* Engine performance */

2021-09-29T15:22:15Z

‎Engine performance

U38088265: /* Engine performance */ Updated engine mass

2021-03-29T10:50:29Z

‎Engine performance: Updated engine mass

U3312106: /* Details */

2021-02-18T09:45:56Z

‎Details

U3312106: /* External links */

2021-01-24T11:45:10Z

‎External links

U75945355: /* Pros and cons */

2021-01-19T06:12:53Z

‎Pros and cons

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 {{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}
 <!-- ''Describe the offensive armament of the aircraft, if any. Describe how effective the cannons and machine guns are in a battle, and also what belts or drums are better to use. If there is no offensive weaponry, delete this subsection.'' -->
-{{main|N-37D (37 mm)|NR-23 (23 mm)}}
+{{main|Type 37-1 (37 mm)|Type 23-1 (23 mm)}}
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
-* 1 x 37 mm N-37D cannon, chin-mounted (40 rpg)
+* 1 x 37 mm Type 37-1 cannon, chin-mounted (40 rpg)
-* 2 x 23 mm NR-23 cannons, chin-mounted (80 rpg = 160 total)
+* 2 x 23 mm Type 23-1 cannons, chin-mounted (80 rpg = 160 total)
 === Suspended armament ===

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (Known in Chinese client as MiG-17 米格-17) represented the batches of MiG-17 brought from Soviet Union before they were locally produced as J-5 (歼-5). As part of the 156 Key Projects, Soviet Union confirmed to license MiG-17 to Factory 112 (SAC) in 1953; the complete technical drawings, 2 MiG-17, 15 CKD kits and parts for around 10 jets were then delivered to Mainland China in 1955. The first of these jets took off to the skies in 1956/7/19 as the first jet Mainland China has assembled and soon joined PLAAF with some victories over ROCAF during the heat of Taiwan Strait Crisis. While it soon became the very first prey of AIM-9B on 1958/9/24 with Wang Zizhong (王自重) becoming the very first victim of AAM in combat history, MiG-17 and J-5 still served PLAAF humbly for more than 4 decades before later jets like J-6/7/8 eventually replaced them alongside with the MiG-15bis still in PLAAF service. Some of these jets were also aided to [[Shenyang F-5|North Korea]], Viet Cong and Albania etc., with KPAAF being the only known user up to this date.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (known in Chinese client as MiG-17 米格-17) represented the batches of MiG-17 brought from Soviet Union before they were locally produced as J-5 (歼-5). As part of the 156 Key Projects, Soviet Union confirmed to license MiG-17 to Factory 112 (SAC) in 1953; the complete technical drawings, 2 MiG-17, 15 CKD kits and parts for around 10 jets were then delivered to Mainland China in 1955. The first of these jets took off to the skies in 1956/7/19 as the first jet Mainland China has assembled and soon joined PLAAF with some victories over ROCAF during the heat of Taiwan Strait Crisis. While it soon became the very first prey of AIM-9B on 1958/9/24 with Wang Zizhong (王自重) becoming the very first victim of AAM in combat history, MiG-17 and J-5 still served PLAAF humbly for more than 4 decades before later jets like J-6/7/8 eventually replaced them alongside with the MiG-15bis still in PLAAF service. Some of these jets were also aided to [[Shenyang F-5|North Korea]], Viet Cong and Albania etc., with KPAAF being the only known user up to this date.
 Introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]] alongside with the Chinese tech-tree, the "J-4" a Chinese version of the [[MiG-17]] and performs identically to it. Although it looks very similar to MiG-15 series, the more powerful engine, extra pair of wing fence and higher swept angle for the wing gives away the identity of J-4; while the jet will be in trouble if enemy jets come with AAMs like [[AIM-9B Sidewinder|AIM-9B]] or [[R-3S]] and players didn't aware of their existence, but having high situation awareness to the battlefield and utilizing the airframe at lower air speeds (the control column is not design for speeds above 900 km/h) in dogfights will make sure most enemy jets face their end rather soon with the devastating firepower onboard; alternatively taking J-4 as a makeshift attacker is viable but requires extensive trainings to get used to the characteristics of the ground-attacking armaments.

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Chinese jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]]. It is a Chinese version of the [[MiG-17]] and performs identically to it.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (Known in Chinese client as MiG-17 米格-17) represented the batches of MiG-17 brought from Soviet Union before they were locally produced as J-5 (歼-5). As part of the 156 Key Projects, Soviet Union confirmed to license MiG-17 to Factory 112 (SAC) in 1953; the complete technical drawings, 2 MiG-17, 15 CKD kits and parts for around 10 jets were then delivered to Mainland China in 1955. The first of these jets took off to the skies in 1956/7/19 as the first jet Mainland China has assembled and soon joined PLAAF with some victories over ROCAF during the heat of Taiwan Strait Crisis. While it soon became the very first prey of AIM-9B on 1958/9/24 with Wang Zizhong (王自重) becoming the very first victim of AAM in combat history, MiG-17 and J-5 still served PLAAF humbly for more than 4 decades before later jets like J-6/7/8 eventually replaced them alongside with the MiG-15bis still in PLAAF service. Some of these jets were also aided to [[Shenyang F-5|North Korea]], Viet Cong and Albania etc., with KPAAF being the only known user up to this date.
 == General info ==
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=mig-17_china Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Related development
 * [[MiG-17 (Family)]]

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 ! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 |-
-| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || N/A || 598 || 450 || ~12 || ~5
+| 1,150 <!-- {{Specs|destruction|body}} --> || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || - || 598 || 450 || ~12 || ~5
 |-
 |}
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 ! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
 |-
-| < 600 || < 700 || < 750 || N/A
+| < 600 || < 700 || < 750 || -
 |-
 |}
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 ! 8m fuel || 20m fuel || 29m fuel || MTOW
 |-
-| ''Stationary'' || 2,450 kgf || N/A
+| ''Stationary'' || 2,450 kgf || -
 | 0.57 || 0.52 || 0.48 || 0.45
 |-
-| ''Optimal'' || 2,450 kgf<br>(0 km/h) || N/A
+| ''Optimal'' || 2,450 kgf<br>(0 km/h) || -
 | 0.57 || 0.52 || 0.48 || 0.45
 |-

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 {{Specs-Card
 |code=mig-17_china
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 * Can safely reach a speed of 1,150 km/h when diving
 * Unless rolling and pulling up at the same time, it's hard to break your wings in turn
 '''Cons:'''
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 == Media ==
-''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
+<!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
 == See also ==
-''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
+<!-- ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
-* ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
+;Related development
-* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
+* [[MiG-17 (Family)]]
 == External links ==
 <!-- ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.'' -->

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 |-
 ! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
-! colspan="2" | Empty mass || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
+! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
 |-
-| colspan="2" | Klimov VK-1 ||  1
+| colspan="2" | Klimov VK-1 || 1
-| colspan="2" | 3,868 kg || colspan="2" | 223 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
+| colspan="2" | 3,958 kg || colspan="2" | 227 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
 |-
 ! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
-! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff<br />Weight
+! colspan="3" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff<br>Weight
 |-
 ! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
-! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 31m fuel
+! 8m fuel || 20m fuel || 29m fuel
 |-
 | 872 kg || colspan="2" | Centrifugal-flow turbojet
-| 4,209 kg || 4,625 kg || 5,041 kg || 5,485 kg
+| 4,310 kg || 4,755 kg || 5,130 kg || 5,485 kg
 |-
-! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
+! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
 ! colspan="4" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
 |-
 ! Condition || 100% || WEP
-! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 31m fuel || MTOW
+! 8m fuel || 20m fuel || 29m fuel || MTOW
 |-
 | ''Stationary'' || 2,450 kgf || N/A
-| 0.58 || 0.53 || 0.49 || 0.45
+| 0.57 || 0.52 || 0.48 || 0.45
 |-
-| ''Optimal'' || 2,450 kgf<br />(0 km/h) || N/A
+| ''Optimal'' || 2,450 kgf<br>(0 km/h) || N/A
-| 0.58 || 0.53 || 0.49 || 0.45
+| 0.57 || 0.52 || 0.48 || 0.45
 |-
 |}
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 {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
-{{main|OFAB-250-270 (250 kg)|S-5K|S-5M|S-21}}
+{{main|OFAB-250sv (250 kg)|S-5K|S-5M|S-21}}
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
 * Without load
-* 2 x 250 kg OFAB-250-270 bombs (500 kg total)
+* 2 x 250 kg OFAB-250sv bombs (500 kg total)
 * 16 x S-5K rockets
 * 16 x S-5M rockets
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 == External links ==
-<!--''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
+<!-- ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''encyclopedia page on the aircraft;''
-* ''other literature.''-->
+* ''other literature.'' -->
 * [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/285040-mikoyan-gurevich-mig-17/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]

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 '''Pros:'''
 * Incredibly fast in a dive.
 * Excellent climb speed, almost same as the [[J-2]]
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 * Excellent energy retention, but if you turn too hard, expect to lose a few hundred km/h
 * Can safely reach a speed of 1,150 km/h when diving
-* Unless rolling and pulling up at the same time, its hard to break your wings in turn
+* Unless rolling and pulling up at the same time, it's hard to break your wings in turn
 * Similarities with the [[J-2]] means the play style between the two are quite similar
 '''Cons:'''
-* Roll rate is not very good, but its still better than that of the the [[J-2]]
 * Guns are hard to aim and lead due to their relatively low muzzle velocity; small ammo capacity
 * Different trajectory performances between 23 mm and 37 mm; requires experience and practice to use the weapons
-* Poor acceleration in speeds between 800 - 1,100 km/h
+* Guns tend to spark a lot (the N-37 in particular), especially with stock belts
 * Doesn't do well in uptiers due to lack of air-to-air missiles, afterburner and radar
 * Engine easily overheats, throttle management necessary
 == History ==
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 == See also ==
 ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
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 == External links ==
 ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''encyclopedia page on the aircraft;''