Hunter F.58 (Germany) - Revision history

U44629479: Edits

2024-11-01T05:28:36Z

Edits

U153452602: Missile (AIM-9P).

2024-10-31T12:41:01Z

Missile (AIM-9P).

U136146036: /* Pros and cons */ Minor grammatical revision.

2024-05-26T19:14:12Z

‎Pros and cons: Minor grammatical revision.

U44629479: Undo revision 180665 by U152413606 (talk)

2024-01-23T16:22:11Z

Undo revision 180665 by U152413606 (talk)

U152413606: /* Flight performance */

2024-01-23T14:12:14Z

‎Flight performance

U70807271: Removed con about lack of ballistic computer as it has been added in the latest update.

2023-12-21T07:45:13Z

Removed con about lack of ballistic computer as it has been added in the latest update.

U125524154: /* Details */

2023-12-20T00:24:50Z

‎Details

U38088265: /* Armaments */ Updated

2023-12-19T18:24:31Z

‎Armaments: Updated

U17577377: Undo revision 178153 by U136146036 (talk) Be Neutral.

2023-12-11T15:00:04Z

Undo revision 178153 by U136146036 (talk) Be Neutral.

U136146036: /* Survivability and armour */

2023-12-11T13:03:17Z

‎Survivability and armour

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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-The Hunter F.58 is a transonic aircraft in level flight but can reach supersonic speed in a dive (but rated at exactly M1.0 before structural failure). That means that it is faster than other subsonic aircraft (one of the fastest subsonic jet, just behind the duo "Jump-jet": [[Yak-38M]] and [[AV-8C|US Harriers]]) it will face, but slower than early supersonic aircraft like the [[F-100D]] and the [[MiG-19PT]]. Thanks to the upgrades by Swiss in 1964, the F.58 received more self-defense equipment such as all-aspect RWR and 60 countermeasures onboard - it can be said that the jet is old but not obsolete. The missiles, while not perfect, are pretty useful in this battle rating. The optimal range of these missiles is somewhat from 1km to 2.5km, and even 3km when firing from above.
+The Hunter F.58 is a transonic aircraft in level flight but can reach supersonic speed in a dive (but rated at exactly M1.0 before structural failure). That means that it is faster than other subsonic aircraft (one of the fastest subsonic jet, just behind the duo "Jump-jet": [[Yak-38M]] and [[AV-8C|US Harriers]]) it will face, but slower than early supersonic aircraft like the [[F-100D]] and the [[MiG-19PT]]. Thanks to the upgrades by Swiss in 1964, the F.58 received more self-defense equipment such as all-aspect RWR and 60 countermeasures onboard - it can be said that the jet is old but not obsolete. The missiles are pretty useful in this battle rating. The optimal range of these missiles is somewhat from 1 km to 2.5 km, and even 3 km when firing from above.
 ==== Air - the Swiss Patrol ====

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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-The Hunter F.58 is a transonic aircraft in level flight but can reach supersonic speed in a dive (but rated at exactly M1.0 before structural failure). That means that it is faster than other subsonic aircraft (one of the fastest subsonic jet, just behind the duo "Jump-jet": [[Yak-38M]] and [[AV-8C|US Harriers]]) it will face, but slower than early supersonic aircraft like the [[F-100D]] and the [[MiG-19PT]]. Thanks to the upgrades by Swiss in 1964, the F.58 received more self-defense equipment such as all-aspect RWR and 60 countermeasures onboard - it can be said that the jet is old but not obsolete.
+The Hunter F.58 is a transonic aircraft in level flight but can reach supersonic speed in a dive (but rated at exactly M1.0 before structural failure). That means that it is faster than other subsonic aircraft (one of the fastest subsonic jet, just behind the duo "Jump-jet": [[Yak-38M]] and [[AV-8C|US Harriers]]) it will face, but slower than early supersonic aircraft like the [[F-100D]] and the [[MiG-19PT]]. Thanks to the upgrades by Swiss in 1964, the F.58 received more self-defense equipment such as all-aspect RWR and 60 countermeasures onboard - it can be said that the jet is old but not obsolete. The missiles, while not perfect, are pretty useful in this battle rating. The optimal range of these missiles is somewhat from 1km to 2.5km, and even 3km when firing from above.
 ==== Air - the Swiss Patrol ====

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 * Not manoeuvrable below 600 km/h
 * Relatively limited payload options due to pylon layouts
-* Due to its advanced capabilities will face off against supersonic jets often, which renders the Hunter's subsonic capabilities futile
+* Due to its updated avionics, it will face off against supersonic jets often, which renders the Hunter's subsonic capabilities futile
 == History ==

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 ! [[Flz Lwf LB 82]] missiles

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 ! Combat flaps !! Take-off flaps !! Landing flaps !! Air brakes !! Arrestor gear !! Drogue chute
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 == Armaments ==
 {{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
 === Offensive armament ===
 {{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
 The Hunter F.58 is a transonic aircraft in level flight but can reach supersonic speed in a dive (but rated at exactly M1.0 before structural failure). That means that it is faster than other subsonic aircraft (one of the fastest subsonic jet, just behind the duo "Jump-jet": [[Yak-38M]] and [[AV-8C|US Harriers]]) it will face, but slower than early supersonic aircraft like the [[F-100D]] and the [[MiG-19PT]]. Thanks to the upgrades by Swiss in 1964, the F.58 received more self-defense equipment such as all-aspect RWR and 60 countermeasures onboard - it can be said that the jet is old but not obsolete.
 ==== Air - the Swiss Patrol ====
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 * Sufficient ammo pool to take down multiple targets
 * One of the fastest subsonic jets, retains decent manoeuvrability at higher speeds
 * Good energy retention for energy fights against subsonic or early supersonic jets
 * Access to more advanced missiles for both A2A/A2G missions

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 This Hunter, however, unlike any other Hunter variant, features 60 countermeasures for use against guided munitions.
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-The Hunter F.58 is a transonic aircraft in level flight but can reach supersonic speed in a dive (but rated at exactly M1.0 before structural failure). That means that it is faster than other subsonic aircraft (one of the fastest subsonic jet, just behind the duo "Jump-jet": [[Yak-38M]] and [[AV-8C|US Harriers]]) it will face, and slower than just about everything else you'll face. Thanks to the upgrades by Swiss in 1964, the F.58 received more self-defense equipment such as all-aspect RWR and 60 countermeasures onboard - it can be said that the jet is old but not obsolete.
+The Hunter F.58 is a transonic aircraft in level flight but can reach supersonic speed in a dive (but rated at exactly M1.0 before structural failure). That means that it is faster than other subsonic aircraft (one of the fastest subsonic jet, just behind the duo "Jump-jet": [[Yak-38M]] and [[AV-8C|US Harriers]]) it will face, but slower than early supersonic aircraft like the [[F-100D]] and the [[MiG-19PT]]. Thanks to the upgrades by Swiss in 1964, the F.58 received more self-defense equipment such as all-aspect RWR and 60 countermeasures onboard - it can be said that the jet is old but not obsolete.
 ==== Air - the Swiss Patrol ====
-A thumb of rule for jet fighters is that: always maintain your energy for any situation. Thanks to its excellent design and sufficiently high engine power for such a huge jet, the energy retention is almost an order of magnitude higher than supersonic aircraft, which bleed speed in sharp turns, this can be both a blessing and a curse, when in a prolonged turning engagement, your energy retention advantage will allow you to pull away from a supersonic at the end of a turn; however, most supersonics, after ending up behind you, will immediately catch up to you and place a Magic 1 in your tailpipe. In many situations, when you have a supersonic on your tail, making them overshoot is very difficult due to your energy retention and their manoeuvrability, but if you can, the [[Flz Lwf 63/80]] will make short work of them as finishing them off from afar is always better than being forced into a dogfight. When facing subsonic aircraft, simply outrun them with your superior speed and gain sufficient distance for a return; try not to engage in a turnfight with subsonic aircraft such as MiGs (15 and 17, both Russian and Chinese variants) and late variants of the F-86 Sabre (starting from F-86F-25 which feature slats; while F-86K or Canadair Sabres have better engine to keep up with Hunter, however, it is highly unlikely you'll face either of them), as they are often able to best you in a dogfight, especially at low speeds, where the Hunter really shows its weaknesses - its huge size and worse manoeuvrability at such speed. The plane, under most circumstances, does not rip it's wings, even under extended, high G turns; although if you combine a 9-10 G turn and roll or yaw, the plane can rip. Unlike some other planes, you have almost no chance of making it back to the airfield with a broken wing. This Hunter also has access to the Flz Lwf 63/80 air-to-air missiles, which work as [[AIM-9P Sidewinder]]; for players who have been used to AIM-9E or SRAAM on other Hunters, the 63/80 can make sure careless players who don't check their 6 o'clock meet their end quickly.
+A thumb of rule for jet fighters is that: always maintain your energy for any situation. Thanks to its excellent design and sufficiently high engine power for such a huge jet, the energy retention is almost an order of magnitude higher than supersonic aircraft, which bleed speed in sharp turns, this can be both a blessing and a curse, when in a prolonged turning engagement, your energy retention advantage will allow you to pull away from a supersonic at the end of a turn; however, a plane such as the F-100D can trade its AoA with its speed to stay on your tail. In many situations, when you have a supersonic on your tail, making them overshoot is very difficult, but if you can, the [[Flz Lwf 63/80]] will make short work of them as finishing them off from afar is always better than being forced into a dogfight (where most subsonic fighters don't have countermeasures). When facing subsonic aircraft, simply outrun them with your superior speed and gain sufficient distance for a return; try not to engage in a turnfight with subsonic aircraft such as MiGs (15 and 17, both Russian and Chinese variants) and late variants of the F-86 Sabre (starting from F-86F-25 which feature slats; while F-86K or Canadair Sabres have better engine to keep up with Hunter), as they are often able to best you in a dogfight, especially at low speeds, where the Hunter really shows its weaknesses - its huge size and worse manoeuvrability at such speed. The plane, under most circumstances, does not rip it's wings, even under extended, high G turns; although if you combine a 9-10 G turn and roll or yaw, the plane can rip. Unlike some other planes, you have almost no chance of making it back to the airfield with a broken wing. This Hunter also has access to the Flz Lwf 63/80 air-to-air missiles, which work as [[AIM-9P Sidewinder]]; for players who have been used to AIM-9E or SRAAM on other Hunters, the 63/80 can make sure careless players who don't check their 6 o'clock meet their end quickly.
 Another note for the Hunter is that, thanks to the upgrades mentioned before, players can now more confident when facing later supersonic jets with SARH missiles like F-4C or MiG-21S. This will also be the good time to learn about the characteristics of SARH missiles - with up to 60 chaffs available, flying sideways and dive for terrain while dispensing chaffs can make sure enemy SARH missiles will likely uncage from yourself.
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 * Huge target, can be easy prey to enemy gunfire
-* Becomes a brick at speeds below 600 km/h.
+* Not manoeuvrable below 600 km/h
 * Lacks ballistic computer for precise ground attacks
 * Relatively limited payload options due to pylon layouts
-* Due to its high BR, the F.58 will always face supersonic aircraft, rendering the energy fighter essentially useless
+* Due to its advanced capabilities will face off against supersonic jets often, which renders the Hunter's subsonic capabilities futile
 == History ==

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	This Hunter, however, unlike any other Hunter variant, features 60 countermeasures for use against guided munitions.		This Hunter, however, unlike any other Hunter variant, features 60 countermeasures for use against guided munitions.
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		+	It is essential for you to die as soon as possible after dispensing your misery onto enemy fighters, since the Hunter F.58 becomes tiresome to use in the late game and will often slap you with a 10,000 SL fine. This is negated with the repair cost based on lifetime system.

	=== Modifications and economy ===		=== Modifications and economy ===