HMS London - Revision history

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 == Description ==
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-The '''HMS London (69)''' is a member of the County-class heavy cruiser family. The HMS London was laid down on February 23, 1926, at Portsmouth Dockyard, launched on September 14, 1927, and commissioned on January 31, 1929. The HMS London served with the 1st Cruiser Squadron until March 1939 and was Admiral Max Horton's flagship during his command of the 1st Cruisers. She was undergoing extensive reconstruction at the Chatham Dockyard beginning in March 1939, and her appearance was significantly altered. She was given a new superstructure above the main deck and resembled a Fiji-class light cruiser in many ways. In March 1941, the reconstruction work was finally completed. In May 1941, the HMS London was involved in the pursuit of the German battleship Bismarck. The HMS Amethyst was trapped by advancing Chinese forces up the Yangtze River in the spring of 1949. The HMS London sailed up the river to help free the HMS Amethyst but was hit several times as a result. The HMS London returned to Hong Kong for repairs, which lasted until the end of July. The HMS London remained in Chinese waters until August 1949, when she was relieved by the HMS Kenya, after which she returned to the UK in the autumn of 1949. She was retired to a reserve in the Fal until she was scrapped in 1950.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British heavy cruiser {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]].
 == General info ==
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=uk_cruiser_london Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 == See also ==
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 * ''reference to the series of the ship;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
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 === References ===
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 ;Bibliography
 * Anderson, P. (2019). British Government Maritime Evacuations in the Spanish Civil War, 1936–1939. ''War in History'', ''26''(1), 65-85.
 * Beesly, P. (1990). Convoy PQ 17: A study of intelligence and decision‐making. ''Intelligence and National Security'', ''5''(2), 292-322.

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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British heavy cruiser {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.97 "Viking Fury"]].
+The '''HMS London (69)''' is a member of the County-class heavy cruiser family. The HMS London was laid down on February 23, 1926, at Portsmouth Dockyard, launched on September 14, 1927, and commissioned on January 31, 1929. The HMS London served with the 1st Cruiser Squadron until March 1939 and was Admiral Max Horton's flagship during his command of the 1st Cruisers. She was undergoing extensive reconstruction at the Chatham Dockyard beginning in March 1939, and her appearance was significantly altered. She was given a new superstructure above the main deck and resembled a Fiji-class light cruiser in many ways. In March 1941, the reconstruction work was finally completed. In May 1941, the HMS London was involved in the pursuit of the German battleship Bismarck. The HMS Amethyst was trapped by advancing Chinese forces up the Yangtze River in the spring of 1949. The HMS London sailed up the river to help free the HMS Amethyst but was hit several times as a result. The HMS London returned to Hong Kong for repairs, which lasted until the end of July. The HMS London remained in Chinese waters until August 1949, when she was relieved by the HMS Kenya, after which she returned to the UK in the autumn of 1949. She was retired to a reserve in the Fal until she was scrapped in 1950.
 == General info ==
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 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=uk_cruiser_london Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 == See also ==
 ''Links to articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the series of the ship;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
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 === References ===
 ;Citations
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 ;Bibliography
 * Anderson, P. (2019). British Government Maritime Evacuations in the Spanish Civil War, 1936–1939. ''War in History'', ''26''(1), 65-85.
 * Beesly, P. (1990). Convoy PQ 17: A study of intelligence and decision‐making. ''Intelligence and National Security'', ''5''(2), 292-322.

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 {{main|4 inch/45 Mark XVI (102 mm)}}
 The London has four twin 4" turrets behind the funnels, able to bring two to bear for a broadside. They are the same guns found on the Hunt-class and V-class destroyers. In terms of their ability to damage surface targets, their utility is extremely limited, especially compared to American 5" cruiser secondaries, which will outclass the British 4"s in every way. However, when it comes to downing planes, the London's secondaries will do the job reasonably well. Four shells are available: HE, HE-TF, HE-VT, and SAP. HE is the stock shell, while the rest must be researched. Getting the HE-VT first as a tier III modification to bolster the London's long-range AA is advisable, as the rest are not very useful. After finishing more important modifications, get SAP in case the guns ever must be used against surface targets. Save the HE-TF as one of the last modifications you research, as it is simply redundant when the HE-VT is available.
 === Anti-aircraft armament ===

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 There are two shells available, an HE shell and a researchable SAPCBC shell. The HE shell performs as can be expected from heavy cruiser HE - solid against light targets, but unable to significantly damage heavier ships. The researchable SAPCBC shell on the other hand is one of the most powerful shells available to any heavy cruiser, possessing a excellent blend of penetration while also having a massive 5.2 kg bursting charge. This, combined with the quick fire rate, means that London's damage output is nothing short of exceptional, and if you are left to your own devices, you can inflict massive damage upon the enemy team. However, the lack of a proper AP shell also means the London will struggle against heavy targets, such as battleships.
 HE is used as the stock shell, while SAPCBC can be researched immediately after purchasing the ship. It is recommended to get the SAPCBC quickly, but only after basic survivability modifications.
 === Secondary armament ===

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 == General info ==
 === Survivability and armour ===
 {{Specs-Fleet-Armour}}
 Compared to her predecessor the Norfolk, the London has a 88.9mm main belt, compared to the Norfolk's 25mm. This is a very welcome change, but it doesn't amount to much. The machinery is slightly better protected, but the rest of the hull above the waterline has no armoring at all (aside from a tiny 38mm plate to protect the steering gears), and neither does the enormous superstructure. The London is a massive glass cannon, and should be played with caution. The one saving grace of the London's survivability is the very safe location of the London's magazines. They are well underwater and protected by a 100mm plate inside the ship. Catastrophic ammunition detonations from cruiser-caliber guns are extremely rare, and even battleships may struggle to slip a shell into the right spot.
 === Mobility ===
 {{Specs-Fleet-Mobility}}
-The mobility on the London is nothing to write home about. Capable of 60 kph, 1 kph slower than the Norfolk, the London still has the same top speed of nearly every WW2-era heavy cruiser. The maneuverability is also nothing exceptional. She'll get the job done, but she won't do it faster than any other cruiser.
+The mobility on the London is nothing to write home about. Capable of 60 km/h, 1 km/h slower than the Norfolk, the London still has the same top speed of nearly every WW2-era heavy cruiser. The maneuverability is also nothing exceptional. She'll get the job done, but she won't do it faster than any other cruiser.
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 === Primary armament ===
 {{Specs-Fleet-Primary}}
 {{main|8 inch/50 Mark VIII (203 mm)}}
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 === Secondary armament ===
 {{Specs-Fleet-Secondary}}
 {{main|4 inch/45 Mark XVI (102 mm)}}
-The London has four twin 4" turrets behind the funnels, able to bring two to bear for a broadside. They are the same guns found on the Hunt-class and V-class destroyers. In terms of their ability to damage surface targets, their utility is extremely limited, especially compared to American 5" cruiser secondaries, which will outclass the British 4"s in every way. However, when it comes to downing planes, the London's secondaries will do the job reasonably well. Four shells are available,    HE, HE-TF, HE-VT, and SAP. HE is the stock shell, while the rest must be researched. Getting the HE-VT first as a Rank III mod to bolster the London's long-range AA is advisable, as the rest are not very useful. After finishing more important modifications, get SAP in case the guns ever must be used against surface targets. Save the HE-TF as one of the last modifications you research, as it is simply redundant when the HE-VT is available.
+The London has four twin 4" turrets behind the funnels, able to bring two to bear for a broadside. They are the same guns found on the Hunt-class and V-class destroyers. In terms of their ability to damage surface targets, their utility is extremely limited, especially compared to American 5" cruiser secondaries, which will outclass the British 4"s in every way. However, when it comes to downing planes, the London's secondaries will do the job reasonably well. Four shells are available: HE, HE-TF, HE-VT, and SAP. HE is the stock shell, while the rest must be researched. Getting the HE-VT first as a tier III modification to bolster the London's long-range AA is advisable, as the rest are not very useful. After finishing more important modifications, get SAP in case the guns ever must be used against surface targets. Save the HE-TF as one of the last modifications you research, as it is simply redundant when the HE-VT is available.
 === Anti-aircraft armament ===
 {{Specs-Fleet-AA}}
 {{main|2pdr QF Mk.VIII (40 mm)|QF Mark VII (40 mm)|20 mm/70 Oerlikon Mk.II (20 mm)|20 mm/70 Oerlikon Mark V (20 mm)}}
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 === Additional armament ===
 {{Specs-Fleet-Additional}}
 {{main|Mk.IX (533 mm)}}
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 == Usage in battles ==
-The London's main playstyle revolves around its two defining characteristics - its devastating SAP round, its quick reload, and its awful protection. The London is a true glass cannon, and you should play it as such. Position yourself into places where you can continuously pound enemy cruisers and destroyers with firepower, while they either unable to hit you or are preoccupied with an ally. The longer you can fire unmolested by the enemy, the better. However, this does not mean camping is a good strategy - at ranges around 10km, the inaccuracy of the main guns starts to show. Thus, you must figure out how to work your way into closer-range engagements. Playing the London to its fullest requires toeing a careful line - you must keep your guns firing as often and as effectively as possible, while also not dying in the process. Having map knowledge helps a lot when it comes to achieving this. Use cover to get in close, while being aware of where enemies are likely to appear. Find defensive positions near caps, where you can camp while also providing support to your team's frontline. However, do not push into the cap yourself unless it is an emergency and the ownership of the cap will decide the game, or the area is completely clear! By covering your team and letting more durable ships push the cap, you will be far more useful than if you rushed into the cap yourself and were killed.
+<!--''Describe the technique of using this ship, the characteristics of her use in a team and tips on strategy. Abstain from writing an entire guide – don't try to provide a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought. Talk about the most dangerous opponents for this vehicle and provide recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of playing with this vehicle in various modes (AB, RB, SB).''-->
-It is also useful to have knowledge of your enemies. Know which ships pose the biggest threats, and how you can kill them before they kill you. When fighting an Omaha, hit their engines and ammunition, if fighting an Admiral Graf Spee, dodge their shells while destroying their turrets and ammunition hoists, when fighting battleships, pray he shoots somebody else, etc. Knowing the ideal way to fight any enemy you face is key to preserving your ship, which allows you to keep your firepower in action for longer.
+It is also useful to have knowledge of your enemies. Know which ships pose the biggest threats, and how you can sink them before they can sink you. When fighting an Omaha, hit their engines and ammunition, if fighting an Admiral Graf Spee, dodge their shells while destroying their turrets and ammunition hoists, when fighting battleships, pray he shoots somebody else, etc. Knowing the ideal way to fight any enemy you face is key to preserving your ship, which allows you to keep your firepower in action for longer.
 All in all, the London is a challenging ship to play, as the weak armor, poor gun arcs, and absolutely enormous stature make her a very vulnerable ship. However, in the hands of an experienced captain, her advantages can be pushed, her vulnerabilities diminished, and blow by blow, her firepower will win battles.
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 * Outgunned by battleships, battlecruisers, and some American heavy cruisers
 * Mildly inconvenient gun arcs
-* Lacks a floatplane, which most other same-tier cruisers have
+* Lacks a floatplane, which most other same-rank cruisers have
 == History ==

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	* Irving, D. J. C. (1968). ''The Destruction of Convoy PQ. 17''. Cassell.		* Irving, D. J. C. (1968). ''The Destruction of Convoy PQ. 17''. Cassell.

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 === The 1930s ===
-Entering the service in early 1929, HMS ''London'' was sent to the Mediterranean, where she became the flagship of the First Cruiser Squadron and operated until March 1939. Her first notable task was to quell the uprising on Cyprus in 1931. The British had administered the island since 1878, and gave the status of a crown colony in 1925. However, that status irritated the Greek Cypriots who sought for an eventual union with Greece.<ref name="Klapsis"/>
+Entering service in early 1929, HMS ''London'' was sent to the Mediterranean, where she became the flagship of the First Cruiser Squadron and operated until March 1939. Her first notable task was to quell the uprising on Cyprus in 1931. The British had administered the island since 1878, and gave the status of a crown colony in 1925. However, that status irritated the Greek Cypriots who sought for an eventual union with Greece.<ref name="Klapsis"/>
 In 1931, the local administration decided to raise tax to cover a local budget deficit, which triggered a severe reaction among Greek Cypriots. On 21 October, more than 5,000 Greek Cypriots rallied on the island. They stripped the British flag, besieged Government House and burned it.