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 For the 4 in QF Mark V cannon, the best ammunition choice, in general, is the 4 inch HE round. The 4 inch HE round has the most high-explosive mass among the three rounds that the 4 in QF Mark V cannon has access to, making it the best general-purpose round overall.
-The 4 inch SAP rounds should be reserved only for Soviet armoured gun boats. Any other targets will simply not have any sort of armour, and the round will generally over-penetrate the hull without triggering its fuze, dealing minimal damage to the target. Identify the enemy first and only use the SAP round if the other rounds are ineffective.
+The 4 inch SAP rounds should be reserved only for Soviet armoured gun boats. Any other targets will simply not have any sort of armour, and the round will generally over-penetrate the hull without triggering its fuse, dealing minimal damage to the target. Identify the enemy first and only use the SAP round if the other rounds are ineffective.
-The 102 mm shrapnel should be used on large targets without armour such as sub-chasers. Against such targets, the HE round will most likely fail to destroy the hull compartments in a single hit, and internal components will rarely be damaged. In contrast, the shrapnel round can consistently destroy their hull compartments, and it creates a cone of spalling upon penetration that can travel much further into the hull. Keep in mind, though, that the shrapnel round will almost always be stopped by any kind of armour and that it only has about 30% of the explosive mass of the HE round, making it less versatile against smaller boats unless specifically aiming for ammunition storages. The shrapnel round also has a timed fuze that could possibly be used against aircraft, though with the 4 in QF Mark V cannon's slow traverse and elevation rates as well as its slow rate of fire, it's better to leave anti-aircraft defence to the other weaponry.
+The 102 mm shrapnel should be used on large targets without armour such as sub-chasers. Against such targets, the HE round will most likely fail to destroy the hull compartments in a single hit, and internal components will rarely be damaged. In contrast, the shrapnel round can consistently destroy their hull compartments, and it creates a cone of spalling upon penetration that can travel much further into the hull. Keep in mind, though, that the shrapnel round will almost always be stopped by any kind of armour and that it only has about 30% of the explosive mass of the HE round, making it less versatile against smaller boats unless specifically aiming for ammunition storages. The shrapnel round also has a timed fuse that could possibly be used against aircraft, though with the 4 in QF Mark V cannon's slow traverse and elevation rates as well as its slow rate of fire, it's better to leave anti-aircraft defence to the other weaponry.
 For the 20 mm/70 Oerlikon Mk.II cannons, the best ammunition choice is the 20 mm HE because it has the highest ratio of HE rounds to AP rounds, making it the most effective against both aircraft and surface targets. The 20 mm HE belt should be the main ammunition choice, though a small amount of the 20 mm AP belt should also be taken in case any armoured targets get around to the sides of the boat. Aside from ammunition costs, there is no reason to use the Universal belt once the other options have been researched.

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 '''Pros:'''
-* High survivability
+* High survivability due to detailed damage model
-* Cannot be hull-broken by any guns in the game
+* Primary armament: excellent SAP round and can hull break PT boats
 * Secondary armament: great damage output; large magazine capacity
 * Stable firing platform
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 '''Cons:'''
-* Very low top speed and very bad manoeuvrability
+* Very low top speed and very bad manoeuvrability, susceptible to torpedoes, artillery, and aircraft attacks
-* Extremely susceptible to torpedoes, artillery, and aircraft attacks
+* Ammo rack are stored directly on the bow of the boat making it very vulnerable
 * Relatively weak armament
 * Primary armament: poor traverse rates; poor accuracy

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 There are three choices of ammunition available:
-* 4 inch HE
+{{:4 in QF Mark V (102 mm)/Ammunition|4 inch HE, 4 inch SAP, 102 mm shrapnel}}
 === Secondary armament ===
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 There are three choices of ammunition available:
-* Universal: {{Annotation|HEF-T|High-explosive fragmentation tracer}}/{{Annotation|HEF-I|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary}}/{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}
+* '''Universal:''' {{Annotation|HEF-T|High-explosive fragmentation tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF-I|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}
+* '''20 mm HE:''' {{Annotation|HEF-T|High-explosive fragmentation tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF-I|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF-I|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary}}
-* 20 mm HE: {{Annotation|HEF-T|High-explosive fragmentation tracer}}/{{Annotation|HEF-I|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary}}/{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}/{{Annotation|HEF-I|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary}}
+* '''20 mm AP:''' {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF-I|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary}}
-* 20 mm AP: {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}/{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}/{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}/{{Annotation|HEF-I|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary}}
+{{:20 mm/70 Oerlikon Mk.II (20 mm)/Ammunition|HEF-T, AP-T, HEF-I}}
 === Anti-aircraft armament ===

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 Any gun in the game is able to penetrate anywhere on the boat, including the gunshields, at practically any range.
 Isles class (T-285)'s hull is split into four compartments. The first compartment starts at the bow and ends where the raised forecastle ends, just in front of the forward 4 in QF Mark V cannon. The second starts the end of the forecastle and ends in front of the bridge. The third starts at the bridge and ends in front of the aft 20 mm/70 Oerlikon Mk.II mount. The fourth starts at the aft gun mount and ends at the stern. Isles class (T-285) is notable for being one of the only rank I boats to have the "Shrapnel Protection" modification, though this doesn't affect survivability much. With a crew complement of 40, overall survivability is high.
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 ! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
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-! 1000 m !! 2,500 !! 5,000 m !! 7,500 m !! 10,000 m !! 15,000 m
+! 1,000 m !! 2,500 !! 5,000 m !! 7,500 m !! 10,000 m !! 15,000 m
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 | 4 inch HE || {{Annotation|HE|High-explosive}} || 11 || 11 || 11 || 11 || 11 || 11
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 {{main|Lewis 1916 (7.72 mm)}}
-For her anti-aircraft armament, Isles class (T-285) has four 7.72 mm Lewis 1916 machineguns in two twin mounts, one on either side of the bridge. For each mount, there are 3,880 rounds of ammunition available, 1,940 rounds per gun, for a total of 7,760 rounds. There are no stated horizontal or vertical traverse rates given in-game, though the mounts handle very similarly to, if not exactly the same as, other twin and quadruple 7.72 mm Lewis 1916 machinegun mounts which, when stock, can all traverse horizontally at a rate of 64°/s and vertically at a rate of 64°/s; with the "Anti-Air Armament Targeting" modification installed, traverse horizontally at a rate of 75°/s and vertically at a rate of 75°/s. Each gun has a magazine capacity of 97 rounds and has a rate of fire of 550 rounds/min. With a stock crew, the guns can be reloaded in 10.4 seconds; with an aced crew, they can be reloaded in 8 seconds. Their maximum range against surface targets is roughly 1.6 km.
+For her anti-aircraft armament, Isles class (T-285) has four 7.72 mm Lewis 1916 machine guns in two twin mounts, one on either side of the bridge. For each mount, there are 3,880 rounds of ammunition available, 1,940 rounds per gun, for a total of 7,760 rounds. There are no stated horizontal or vertical traverse rates given in-game, though the mounts handle very similarly to, if not exactly the same as, other twin and quadruple 7.72 mm Lewis 1916 machine gun mounts which, when stock, can all traverse horizontally at a rate of 64°/s and vertically at a rate of 64°/s; with the "Anti-Air Armament Targeting" modification installed, traverse horizontally at a rate of 75°/s and vertically at a rate of 75°/s. Each gun has a magazine capacity of 97 rounds and has a rate of fire of 550 rounds/min. With a stock crew, the guns can be reloaded in 10.4 seconds; with an aced crew, they can be reloaded in 8 seconds. Their maximum range against surface targets is roughly 1.6 km.
 {{Notice|Turrets are named sequentially, clockwise, starting at the bow}}
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-No ammunition choices are available for this gun. Although not directly stated in-game, the guns fire one tracer round every other round, so they most likely use the standard Default ammunition choice of the 7.72 mm Lewis 1916 machinegun which has the following composition and penetration statistics:
+No ammunition choices are available for this gun. Although not directly stated in-game, the guns fire one tracer round every other round, so they most likely use the standard Default ammunition choice of the 7.72 mm Lewis 1916 machine gun which has the following composition and penetration statistics:
 * Default: {{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}/{{Annotation|T|Tracer}}/{{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}}/{{Annotation|T|Tracer}}
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 [[File:Isles_class_(T-285)_skin_"Isles_class_'Hornet'".png|thumb|Isles class (T-285) with the fictional camouflage ''Isles class 'Hornet''', available on the [http://trade.gaijin.net Gaijin Marketplace].]]
-Lacking in speed, Isles class (T-285) is best used as a support vessel. Stay at the back of the rest of the team and use the 4 in QF Mark V cannon to take out any tough enemies the team may have trouble dealing with. Priority targets include other large vessels such as sub-chasers, German barges, and Soviet armoured guns boats, since, in one way or another, all of these possess high survivability and powerful armaments, making them difficult for smaller boats to effectively engage. In particular, prioritize Soviet armoured gun boats. These are some of the only boats in rank I and rank II with any substantial armour, and the 4 in QF Mark V cannon, with its SAP round, is one of the only guns that can reliably penetrate them when angled. If possible, try to aim for their ammunition storages located below their guns at the waterline. This will almost always result in a one-shot kill. Otherwise, target the heavily-armoured "citadel" at the centre of the boats as, chances are, the less-armoured bow and stern compartments may already be destroyed. For larger vessels such as subchasers, use the shrapnel round; for all other targets, the HE round will suffice.
+Lacking in speed, Isles class (T-285) is best used as a support vessel. Stay at the back of the rest of the team and use the 4 in QF Mark V cannon to take out any tough enemies the team may have trouble dealing with. Priority targets include other large vessels such as sub-chasers, German barges, and Soviet armoured guns boats, since, in one way or another, all of these possess high survivability and powerful armaments, making them difficult for smaller boats to effectively engage. In particular, prioritize Soviet armoured gun boats. These are some of the only boats in rank I and rank II with any substantial armour, and the 4 in QF Mark V cannon, with its SAP round, is one of the only guns that can reliably penetrate them when angled. If possible, try to aim for their ammunition storages located below their guns at the waterline. This will almost always result in a knock-out. Otherwise, target the heavily-armoured "citadel" at the centre of the boats as, chances are, the less-armoured bow and stern compartments may already be destroyed. For larger vessels such as sub-chasers, use the shrapnel round; for all other targets, the HE round will suffice.
 Despite being one of the largest guns at its tier, the 4 in QF Mark V cannon cannot hull-break, requiring multiple hits to take out even the smallest boats. Because of the cannon's relatively poor accuracy and slow traverse rates, reliably landing shots on small, fast boats may be difficult. For such targets, switch to the secondary 20 mm/70 Oerlikon Mk.II cannons. Because of the way the cannons are arranged, only two of them can ever be aimed at a target at once. Nevertheless, the two cannons actually fire more TNT per minute when using the 20 mm HE belt than the 4 in QF Mark V cannon can with its HE round, so they will usually be enough to handle most boats. However, the 20 mm cannons may struggle against certain armoured targets, so always be prepared to switch back to the 4-inch cannon.
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 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.''-->
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 * [http://www.harry-tates.org.uk/trawlers.htm Harry Tate's Navy - The Trawlers Go To War]
-===Bibliography===
+===References===
+;Bibliography
 * Chesneau, R., & Gardiner, R. (1980). ''Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships, 1922-1946'' (pp. 65-66). London, England: Conway Maritime Press. ISBN 0-85177-1467.
 {{ShipManufacturer Kingston Shipyards}}
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	* Chesneau, R., & Gardiner, R. (1980). ''Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships, 1922-1946'' (pp. 65-66). London, England: Conway Maritime Press. ISBN 0-85177-1467.		* Chesneau, R., & Gardiner, R. (1980). ''Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships, 1922-1946'' (pp. 65-66). London, England: Conway Maritime Press. ISBN 0-85177-1467.

		+	{{ShipManufacturer Kingston Shipyards}}
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 == Media ==
-<!--''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''-->
+<!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
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+;Skins
-{| class="catlist" frame="box" style="background: #efefef;" align="center"
+* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=uk_isles_class_trawler Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 == See also ==

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-The Isles-class, also known as the Western Isles-class, was a class of 197 Royal Navy naval trawlers built between 1939 and 1945. The Isles-class actually comprised of four separate classes of trawlers: the Tree-class, the Dance-class, the Shakespearean-class, and the Isles-class. While the four classes of trawlers are separate, their overall designs were very similar. All four had a length overall of 164 ft, a beam of 27 ft 8 in, and a deep load displacement of 11 ft 1 in. They were all powered by a single shaft vertical triple expansion boiler producing 850 bhp, giving them a top speed of 12.25 knots. Trawlers used for minesweeping and convoy escort — which includes the Tree-class, the Shakespearean-class, and the Isles-class — were armed with the standard single 3-inch QF 12-pdr 12 cwt cannon on the bow, as well as several Oerlikon 20 mm cannons and 30 depth charges. Those used for anti-submarine operations — in this case, only the Dance-class — were additionally given ASDIC equipment and a 4-inch/45 BL Mk IX cannon in place of the 12-pdr cannon.
+The Isles-class, also known as the Western Isles-class, was a class of 197 Royal Navy naval trawlers built between 1939 and 1945. The Isles-class actually comprised of four separate classes of trawlers: the Tree-class, the Dance-class, the Shakespearean-class, and the Isles-class. While the four classes of trawlers are separate, their overall designs were very similar. All four had a length overall of 164 ft, a beam of 27 ft 8 in, and a deep load displacement of 11 ft 1 in. They were all powered by a single shaft vertical triple expansion boiler producing 850 bhp, giving them a top speed of 12.25 knots. Royal Navy trawlers used for minesweeping and convoy escort — which includes the Tree-class, the Shakespearean-class, and the Isles-class — were armed with the standard armament consisting of a single 3-inch QF 12-pdr 12 cwt cannon on the bow, as well as several Oerlikon 20 mm cannons and 30 depth charges. Those used for anti-submarine operations — in this case, only the Dance-class — were additionally given ASDIC equipment and a 4-inch/45 BL Mk IX cannon in place of the 12-pdr cannon.
 The Tree-class was the first attempt at a purpose-built naval trawler by Britain during the Second World War. Based on the design of the previous Basset-class trawler of 1935, 20 Tree-class trawlers were ordered in 1939 at the start of the war, with 19 completed between 1939 and 1940 and one completed in 1942. Of the 20 built, 6 were lost during the war. Of the surviving vessels, all but two were sold off in 1946, with the remaining two sold off in 1948.

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