HMS Invincible - Revision history

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Primary armament, secondary armament, AA armament, and additional armament added description

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New Description Project - USA Priority: HMS Invincible

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‎Primary armament

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 {{main|305 mm/45 Mark X (305 mm)}}
-''Provide information about the characteristics of the primary armament. Evaluate their efficacy in battle based on their reload speed, ballistics and the capacity of their shells. Add a link to the main article about the weapon: <code><nowiki>{{main|Weapon name (calibre)}}</nowiki></code>. Broadly describe the ammunition available for the primary armament, and provide recommendations on how to use it and which ammunition to choose.''
+HMS Invincible is armed with eight BL 12-inch Mk X cannons across four twin turrets. One is placed on the bow, one on the stern, and two amidships on the port and starboard wings. The allows for a full broadside of all eight guns, with the bow and stern turrets allowing for +/- 150 degrees of traverse, while the wing turrets only allow +180/-120 due to the placement of the funnels and the surrounding superstructure, which restrict cross-deck fire significantly. Fire control is on par with the preceding Courageous class [[HMS Glorious]] and other first-world war-era ships. The maximum fire rate is two rounds per minute per barrel with an ace crew.
-{{:305 mm/45 Mark X (305 mm)/Ammunition|305 mm Mark IIa HE, 305 mm Mark VIa APC, 305 mm Mark VIIa SAPCBC}}
+The BL 12-inch MK X cannon can fire three types of shell: HE Mk IIa, SAPCBC Mk VIIa, and APC Mk VIa. The HE Mk IIa shell holds an above-average 51.3 kg bursting charge for twelve-inch guns, resulting in the ability to wreak havoc on light vessels such as destroyers and some light cruisers. The SAPCBC Mk VIIa shell balances the penetration of the APC and the large amount of explosive of the HE shell, and thus it is best suited for dealing with medium-armoured opponents such as cruisers, with a bursting charge of 36.3 kg and 240mm of penetration at 2,500 m. However, it is lacking penetration for dealing with heavy battleship amour. The APC Mk VIa trades the high explosive bursting charge of the SAPCBC and HE for amour penetration and thus is the main shell for dealing with heavily armoured opponents such as battleships. It contains a bursting charge of 13.2 kg, which is sub-par for dealing with light to medium opponents.{{:305 mm/45 Mark X (305 mm)/Ammunition|305 mm Mark IIa HE, 305 mm Mark VIa APC, 305 mm Mark VIIa SAPCBC}}
 === Secondary armament ===
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 {{main|4 inch/40 QF mark III (102 mm)}}
-''Some ships are fitted with weapons of various calibres. Secondary armaments are defined as weapons chosen with the control <code>Select secondary weapon</code>. Evaluate the secondary armaments and give advice on how to use them. Describe the ammunition available for the secondary armament. Provide recommendations on how to use them and which ammunition to choose. Remember that any anti-air armament, even heavy calibre weapons, belong in the next section. If there is no secondary armament, remove this section.''
+HMS Invincible has a secondary armament of twelve 4 Inch/40 QF Mk III cannons placed in eight casemate mounts on the forward superstructure, and four open mounts on the rear superstructure. These have a fire rate of 20 rounds per minute with an ace-crew.
 {{:4 inch/40 QF mark III (102 mm)/Ammunition|4 inch HE, 4 inch SAP}}
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 {{main|76 mm/45 QF 3in 20cwt HA Mark I (76 mm)|3 pdr QF Hotchkiss (47 mm)}}
-''An important part of the ship's armament responsible for air defence. Anti-aircraft armament is defined by the weapon chosen with the control <code>Select anti-aircraft weapons</code>. Talk about the ship's anti-air cannons and machine guns, the number of guns and their positions, their effective range, and about their overall effectiveness – including against surface targets. If there are no anti-aircraft armaments, remove this section.''
+HMS invincible only has a single 3 inch 20cwt gun mounted for anti-aircraft purpose. It is placed at the stern of the ship, and can only fire HE, severely limiting its usefulness as an anti-air weapon, as it lacks both ammunition, weight of fire, and good firing arcs.
 === Additional armament ===
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 {{main|R.G.F. Mark VI** (450 mm)}}
-''Describe the available additional armaments of the ship: depth charges, mines, torpedoes. Talk about their positions, available ammunition and launch features such as dead zones of torpedoes. If there is no additional armament, remove this section.''
+HMS invincible is armed with 5 underwater fixed 18 inch torpedo tubes, with one placed forward along the broadside, one placed aft on the broadside, and one on the stern looking backwards. This results in a total torpedo broadside of 2 torpedoes before a reload is needed.
 == Usage in battles ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the first part of the description, cover the history of the ship's creation and military application. In the second part, tell the reader about using this ship in the game. Add a screenshot: if a beginner player has a hard time remembering vehicles by name, a picture will help them identify the ship in question.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British battlecruiser {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Hot Tracks"]].
+The brainchild of First Sea Lord "Jacky" Fisher, the Invincible class were the first battlecruisers ever to be built, pioneering the design which was based around the idea of an enlarged and upgunned armoured cruiser that should have the firepower and protection to devastate enemy cruisers and raiders, yet be fast enough to outrun opposing battleships. Built between 1906 and 1909, the Invincible class formed the foundation of this new type of ship which became a key part of the ongoing Anglo-German naval arms race.
-The brainchild of First Sea Lord "Jacky" Fisher, the Invincible class were the first battlecruisers ever to be built, pioneering the design which was based around the idea of an enlarged and upgunned armoured cruiser that should have the firepower and protection to devastate enemy cruisers and raiders, yet be fast enough to outrun opposing battleships. Built between 1906 and 1909, the Invincible class formed the foundation of this new type of ship which became a key part of the ongoing Anglo-German naval arms race.
+HMS ''Invincible'' was laid down on 2 April 1906, launched on 13 April 1907, and commissioned on 20 March 1909. At the start of World War I, she took part in the Battle of the Heligoland Bight, then was transferred to the West Indies, where she participated in the Battle of the Falkland Islands, destroying a German squadron consisting of obsolete battleships and light cruiser alongside her sister ship ''Inflexible''. In February 1915, she returned to Britain, becoming the flagship of the Third Battlecruiser Squadron. During the Battle of Jutland on 31 May 1916, ''Invincible'' was sunk after a short duel with SMS ''Derfflinger''.
-Compared to the average cruiser, HMS Invincible was significantly better protected and able to withstand cruiser fire in most circumstances with minimal damage taken, and her eight 305 mm cannons posed a huge threat to any cruiser she could encounter. In addition, her relatively high speed was fast enough to actually outrun some cruisers, making the Invincible the perfect counter to German high seas raiders, as Admiral Von Spee found out during the Battle of the Falkland Islands.
+Introduced in [[Update "Hot Tracks"]], HMS ''Invincible'' is presented in her 1916 refit. She is a typical representative of the large World War I-era warships in the game, with minimal AA defences and mediocre anti-torpedo protection, and generally weak armour for such a large vessel. However, as a representative of the battlecruiser class, she boasts decent mobility.
 == General info ==
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 {{Specs-Fleet-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Talk about the vehicle's armour. Note the most well-defended and most vulnerable zones, e.g. the ammo magazine. Evaluate the composition of components and assemblies responsible for movement and manoeuvrability. Evaluate the survivability of the primary and secondary armaments separately. Don't forget to mention the size of the crew, which plays an important role in fleet mechanics. Save tips on preserving survivability for the "Usage in battles" section. If necessary, use a graphical template to show the most well-protected or most vulnerable points in the armour.'' -->
 HMS Invincible is a 20,000t vessel with 1,032 crew members, an average crew count for a battlecruiser. The ship has a 150 mm main armour belt which is backed up by 50 mm of turtleback armour and an array of coal bunkers. The main turrets have 177 mm armour on turret faces and barbettes.
 This leaves the ship reasonably resistant to 152 mm and 203 mm shells at long to medium ranges, nevertheless enemy battleships with their much larger cannons will have little trouble cleaving through your protection at any practical range. The armour is ineffective at stopping shells of a calibre larger than 283 mm. The lack of AA guns and rather thin deck armour is insufficient when it comes to fending off strike aircraft.
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 Invincible ultimately met her demise at the Battle of Jutland in 1916, just a year after she sank the cruisers Scharnhorst and Gneisenau at the Falklands. In May of that year, she was assigned to Admiral Beatty's battlecruiser group and ordered to cruise into the north seas to intercept a potential breakout of the German fleet. Soon after, Invincible, along with her sister ships Inflexible and Indomitable, spotted a group of seven enemy ships including two armoured cruisers and promptly fired upon them. They succeeded in crippling the cruiser Wiesbaden with a hit to the engine room, as well as a similar heavy hit to the cruiser Pillau.
 Soon after, Beatty's battlecruisers spotted the German battlecruiser line, and promptly opened fire on the battlecruisers Lutzow and Derfflinger. Invincible hit Lutzow twice beneath the waterline, which would eventually lead to her demise. However, she ended up directly in front of Lutzow and Derfllinger, who fired several salvoes at her. One of these shots hit the ship's midships 12 inch shell magazines, which exploded and blew the ship in half. Almost her entire crew of 1026 were killed, including her commanding officer Rear Admiral Horace Hood; six survivors were rescued by escorting destroyers. Hood's widow would later launch the battlecruiser/fast battleship HMS Hood, the heaviest battleship in the world for 20 years.
 Invincible lies at a depth of 55 metres in the North Sea, cut in half by the massive magazine explosion that doomed her. Her wreck is protected by the Protection of Military Remains act of 1986.

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the first part of the description, cover the history of the ship's creation and military application. In the second part, tell the reader about using this ship in the game. Add a screenshot: if a beginner player has a hard time remembering vehicles by name, a picture will help them identify the ship in question.'' -->
-The '''HMS Invincible (85)''' is a member of the Invincible-class battlecruiser family. The HMS Invincible was built for the British Navy by Elswick Yard in 1907 during the first decade of the twentieth century as the world's first battlecruiser. The HMS Invincible was formally known as armoured cruisers until 1911, when they were renamed battlecruisers by an Admiralty order dated November 24, 1911. Until then, a variety of unofficial designations were used, including cruiser-battleship, dreadnought cruiser, and battlecruiser. During World War I, she played a minor role in the Battle of Heligoland Bight because she was the oldest and slowest battlecruiser in the British navy. Despite numerous hits, the HMS Invincible and her sister ship, the HMS Inflexible, sank the armoured cruisers Scharnhorst and Gneisenau during the Battle of the Falkland Islands. During the Battle of Jutland in 1916, she was the flagship of the 3rd Battlecruiser Squadron. The squadron was detached from Admiral Beatty's Battlecruiser Fleet a few days before the battle for gunnery practice with the Grand Fleet, and it served as the Grand Fleet's heavy scouting force during the battle. During the battle, she was destroyed by an ammunition magazine explosion after one of her gun turrets' armour was penetrated.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British battlecruiser {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Hot Tracks"]].
-Introduced in [[Update "Hot Tracks"]], the HMS Invincible is well-protected and armed. Most of the ammunition magazines are located below the waterline, making them difficult to hit during battles. It also has a powerful secondary armament with a high rate of fire capable of dealing with close-range attacks from smaller enemy vessels. Her armour, on the other hand, is relatively weak against large-calibre armaments from other battleships. This, combined with the lack of deck armour and extremely poor anti-aircraft armament, renders the HMS Invincible extremely vulnerable to enemy aircraft. Players are advised to always stick with allies to obtain anti-aircraft fire coverage while engaging enemy vessels with its powerful main armament.
+The brainchild of First Sea Lord "Jacky" Fisher, the Invincible class were the first battlecruisers ever to be built, pioneering the design which was based around the idea of an enlarged and upgunned armoured cruiser that should have the firepower and protection to devastate enemy cruisers and raiders, yet be fast enough to outrun opposing battleships. Built between 1906 and 1909, the Invincible class formed the foundation of this new type of ship which became a key part of the ongoing Anglo-German naval arms race.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the first part of the description, cover the history of the ship's creation and military application. In the second part, tell the reader about using this ship in the game. Add a screenshot: if a beginner player has a hard time remembering vehicles by name, a picture will help them identify the ship in question.'' -->
-The '''HMS Invincible (85)''' is a member of the Invincible-class battlecruiser family. The HMS Invincible was built for the British Navy during the first decade of the twentieth century as the world's first battlecruiser. During World War I, she played a minor role in the Battle of Heligoland Bight because she was the oldest and slowest battlecruiser in the British navy. Despite numerous hits, the HMS Invincible and her sister ship, the HMS Inflexible, sank the armoured cruisers Scharnhorst and Gneisenau during the Battle of the Falkland Islands. During the Battle of Jutland in 1916, she was the flagship of the 3rd Battlecruiser Squadron. The squadron was detached from Admiral Beatty's Battlecruiser Fleet a few days before the battle for gunnery practice with the Grand Fleet, and it served as the Grand Fleet's heavy scouting force during the battle. During the battle, she was destroyed by an ammunition magazine explosion after one of her gun turrets' armour was penetrated.
+The '''HMS Invincible (85)''' is a member of the Invincible-class battlecruiser family. The HMS Invincible was built for the British Navy by Elswick Yard in 1907 during the first decade of the twentieth century as the world's first battlecruiser. The HMS Invincible was formally known as armoured cruisers until 1911, when they were renamed battlecruisers by an Admiralty order dated November 24, 1911. Until then, a variety of unofficial designations were used, including cruiser-battleship, dreadnought cruiser, and battlecruiser. During World War I, she played a minor role in the Battle of Heligoland Bight because she was the oldest and slowest battlecruiser in the British navy. Despite numerous hits, the HMS Invincible and her sister ship, the HMS Inflexible, sank the armoured cruisers Scharnhorst and Gneisenau during the Battle of the Falkland Islands. During the Battle of Jutland in 1916, she was the flagship of the 3rd Battlecruiser Squadron. The squadron was detached from Admiral Beatty's Battlecruiser Fleet a few days before the battle for gunnery practice with the Grand Fleet, and it served as the Grand Fleet's heavy scouting force during the battle. During the battle, she was destroyed by an ammunition magazine explosion after one of her gun turrets' armour was penetrated.
 Introduced in [[Update "Hot Tracks"]], the HMS Invincible is well-protected and armed. Most of the ammunition magazines are located below the waterline, making them difficult to hit during battles. It also has a powerful secondary armament with a high rate of fire capable of dealing with close-range attacks from smaller enemy vessels. Her armour, on the other hand, is relatively weak against large-calibre armaments from other battleships. This, combined with the lack of deck armour and extremely poor anti-aircraft armament, renders the HMS Invincible extremely vulnerable to enemy aircraft. Players are advised to always stick with allies to obtain anti-aircraft fire coverage while engaging enemy vessels with its powerful main armament.

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the first part of the description, cover the history of the ship's creation and military application. In the second part, tell the reader about using this ship in the game. Add a screenshot: if a beginner player has a hard time remembering vehicles by name, a picture will help them identify the ship in question.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British battlecruiser {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Hot Tracks"]].
+The '''HMS Invincible (85)''' is a member of the Invincible-class battlecruiser family. The HMS Invincible was built for the British Navy during the first decade of the twentieth century as the world's first battlecruiser. During World War I, she played a minor role in the Battle of Heligoland Bight because she was the oldest and slowest battlecruiser in the British navy. Despite numerous hits, the HMS Invincible and her sister ship, the HMS Inflexible, sank the armoured cruisers Scharnhorst and Gneisenau during the Battle of the Falkland Islands. During the Battle of Jutland in 1916, she was the flagship of the 3rd Battlecruiser Squadron. The squadron was detached from Admiral Beatty's Battlecruiser Fleet a few days before the battle for gunnery practice with the Grand Fleet, and it served as the Grand Fleet's heavy scouting force during the battle. During the battle, she was destroyed by an ammunition magazine explosion after one of her gun turrets' armour was penetrated.
-The brainchild of First Sea Lord "Jacky" Fisher, the Invincible class were the first battlecruisers ever to be built, pioneering the design which was based around the idea of an enlarged and upgunned armoured cruiser that should have the firepower and protection to devastate enemy cruisers and raiders, yet be fast enough to outrun opposing battleships. Built between 1906 and 1909, the Invincible class formed the foundation of this new type of ship which became a key part of the ongoing Anglo-German naval arms race.
+Introduced in [[Update "Hot Tracks"]], the HMS Invincible is well-protected and armed. Most of the ammunition magazines are located below the waterline, making them difficult to hit during battles. It also has a powerful secondary armament with a high rate of fire capable of dealing with close-range attacks from smaller enemy vessels. Her armour, on the other hand, is relatively weak against large-calibre armaments from other battleships. This, combined with the lack of deck armour and extremely poor anti-aircraft armament, renders the HMS Invincible extremely vulnerable to enemy aircraft. Players are advised to always stick with allies to obtain anti-aircraft fire coverage while engaging enemy vessels with its powerful main armament.
 == General info ==

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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British battlecruiser {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Hot Tracks"]].
-The brainchild of First Sea Lord 'Jacky' Fisher, the Invincible class were the first battlecruisers ever to be built, pioneering the design which was based around the idea of an enlarged and upgunned armoured cruiser that should have the firepower and protection to devastate enemy cruisers and raiders, yet be fast enough to outrun opposing battleships. Built between 1906 and 1909, the Invincible class formed the foundation of this new type of ship which became a key part of the ongoing Anglo-German naval arms race.
+The brainchild of First Sea Lord "Jacky" Fisher, the Invincible class were the first battlecruisers ever to be built, pioneering the design which was based around the idea of an enlarged and upgunned armoured cruiser that should have the firepower and protection to devastate enemy cruisers and raiders, yet be fast enough to outrun opposing battleships. Built between 1906 and 1909, the Invincible class formed the foundation of this new type of ship which became a key part of the ongoing Anglo-German naval arms race.
 Compared to the average cruiser, HMS Invincible was significantly better protected and able to withstand cruiser fire in most circumstances with minimal damage taken, and her eight 305 mm cannons posed a huge threat to any cruiser she could encounter. In addition, her relatively high speed was fast enough to actually outrun some cruisers, making the Invincible the perfect counter to German high seas raiders, as Admiral Von Spee found out during the Battle of the Falkland Islands.
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 {{Specs-Fleet-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Talk about the vehicle's armour. Note the most well-defended and most vulnerable zones, e.g. the ammo magazine. Evaluate the composition of components and assemblies responsible for movement and manoeuvrability. Evaluate the survivability of the primary and secondary armaments separately. Don't forget to mention the size of the crew, which plays an important role in fleet mechanics. Save tips on preserving survivability for the "Usage in battles" section. If necessary, use a graphical template to show the most well-protected or most vulnerable points in the armour.'' -->
-HMS Invincible is a 20,000t vessel with 1032 crew members. This is the second highest crew count for any British capital ship currently in game, however it is worth noting that this is only an average crew count compared to other nations. The ship has a 150mm main armour belt which is backed up by some 50mm of turtleback armour and an array of coal bunkers. The main turrets have 177mm on the turret faces and barbettes.
+HMS Invincible is a 20,000t vessel with 1,032 crew members, an average crew count for a battlecruiser. The ship has a 150 mm main armour belt which is backed up by 50 mm of turtleback armour and an array of coal bunkers. The main turrets have 177 mm armour on turret faces and barbettes.
-Now this should leave the ship reasonably resistant to 152mm and 203mm shells at long to medium ranges, nevertheless enemy battleships with their much larger cannons will have little trouble cleaving through your protection at any practical range. The armour layout is simply about as effective as a wet paper bag at stopping 283mm+ shells from blasting your crew over the walls of the vessel. Not only that, but your lack of AA guns and rather thin deck armour has the effect of turning the ship into a large floating bomb when it comes to fending off strike aircraft.
+This leaves the ship reasonably resistant to 152 mm and 203 mm shells at long to medium ranges, nevertheless enemy battleships with their much larger cannons will have little trouble cleaving through your protection at any practical range. The armour is ineffective at stopping shells of a calibre larger than 283 mm. The lack of AA guns and rather thin deck armour is insufficient when it comes to fending off strike aircraft.
-Whilst the belt armour does extend far enough below the waterline to give some level of protection from shallow torpedoes, the ship is still vulnerable to torpedoes which don't hit the belt armour. Even if a torpedo does hit the armour, it is just that. Armour. You have no dedicated torpedo defences, meaning that some of the stronger torpedoes won't care about your belt and will proceed to ruin your day, regardless.
+Whilst the belt armour does extend far enough below the waterline to give some level of protection from shallow torpedoes, the ship is still vulnerable to torpedoes which hit below the belt armour.
 === Mobility ===