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 * Huge empty space at the bow and stern can absorb several hits from shells and torpedoes
 * Quite fast and manoeuvrable, despite the size
-* Equipped with 40 torpedoes for aerial denial barrages
+* Equipped with 40 torpedoes for area denial barrages
 '''Cons:'''

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 To compensate for the main guns' relatively slow rate of fire, the Glorious features a staggering 18 х 4 inch (102 mm) BL Mark IX cannons, housed in six open triple turrets placed around the midship section. With up to 12 guns available while in full broadsides and decent rate of fire of 12 rpm (maxed), these guns are great at chipping away at the deck mounts of enemy ships, especially cruisers and smaller ships, though they are ineffective against capital ships.
-The gun has two shell choices; the default HE with a rather small explosive mass of 721 g of TNT, though due to the sheer burst mass, they can deal quite a good amount of damage against cruisers and destroyers, especially since it can easily suppress the enemy ship while they are repairing their critical modules by repeatedly destroying their outer compartments over and over again. The other option, an SAP shell, is very weak, with a penetration of only 51 mm at 5 km range, this shell struggles to even penetrate light cruisers, and is generally inferior in terms of damage compared to the HE shell. As such, it is recommended to only use the HE shell instead.
+The gun has two shell choices; the default HE with a rather small explosive mass of 721 g of TNT, though due to the sheer burst mass, they can deal quite a good amount of damage against cruisers and destroyers, especially since it can easily suppress the enemy ship while they are repairing their critical modules by repeatedly destroying their outer compartments over and over again. The other option, an SAP shell, is very weak, with a penetration of only 51 mm at 5 km range, this shell struggles to even penetrate light cruisers at long ranges, and is generally inferior in terms of average damage compared to the HE shell. However, the 51 mm penetration is still sufficient to penetrate the deck of most non-capital ships at close range (~5 km), and as such it is recommended to only reserve it for that occasion instead.
 {{:BL Mark IX (102 mm)/Ammunition|4 inch HE, 4 inch SAP}}
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 Against other battleships and battlecruisers, the armour is wholly inadequate, and the ship really does become equivalent to a large light cruiser. Its mobility can be used to play around hard cover and attempt to dodge incoming shells; however, if caught in the open, Glorious is unlikely to survive for long.
-On the other hand, if in a match against only cruisers, the unusual armaments can be used to great effect, quickly destroying any cruiser in a few good hits. When facing destroyers, consider switching to control of the 102 mm cannons - the greater volume of fire (up to 12 guns on a broadside) and sufficient stopping power of the guns will rapidly wreck any small ship. The 4" SAP ammunition is significantly better for this than the stock HE.
+On the other hand, if in a match against only cruisers, the unusual armaments can be used to great effect, quickly destroying any cruiser in a few good hits. When facing destroyers, consider switching to control of the 102 mm cannons - the greater volume of fire (up to 12 guns on a broadside) and sufficient stopping power of the guns will rapidly wreck any small ship. At closer range, the 4" SAP ammunition is significantly better for this than the stock HE, as its relatively low penetration is still sufficient to penetrate the deck of most cruisers and damaging their crew compartments.
 === Pros and cons ===

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 One of the trio of the Courageous-class "large light cruisers", the '''{{PAGENAME}}''''s design perfectly encapsulates First Sea Lord John ('Jackie') Fisher's obsession with superior speed and firepower. Built with his 'Baltic Project' in mind, the ship was designed with high speed and large guns to devastate enemy cruisers while having a shallow draught to allow operations supporting coastal landings in the Baltics. Despite being a capital ship, it was designed with paper thin armour, partly to allow for the high speed and partly to get around a restriction imposed by the Government on the construction of new capital ships, with First Sea Lord Fisher presenting the ships as simply large light cruisers. In fact, the ships were so lightly built that the lead ship HMS ''Courageous'' took not insignificant structural damage in rough seas during sea trials, buckling the hull and deck in several places, shearing off rivets and allowing water to pour in.
-As for the ''Glorious'', she saw only a brief action in her "large light cruiser" configuration" in the Second Battle of Heligoland Bight, where she was forced to retreat after a shell in her forward 15-inch turret prematurely detonated inside the barrel. After the Great war ended, such a specialized ship like the ''Couragous''-class were deemed unnecessary, and all three of the Courageous-class were converted into aircraft carriers to make better use of the hull (and to avoid being scrapped altogether by restrictions imposed by the Washington Naval treaty). In her aircraft carrier configuration, HMS ''Glorious'' would go on to serve until the early stages of World War II. After being recalled from the hunt of the ''[[Admiral Graf Spee]]'' in 1940 to evacuate British aircraft from Norway, ''Glorious'' was intercepted and sunk by German battleships ''[[Scharnhorst]]'' and ''Gneisenau'' on 8 June 1940, with over 1,200 loss of lives.
+As for the ''Glorious'', she saw only a brief action in her "large light cruiser" configuration in the Second Battle of Heligoland Bight, where she was forced to retreat after a shell in her forward 15-inch turret prematurely detonated inside the barrel. After the Great war ended, such a specialized ship like the ''Couragous''-class were deemed unnecessary, and all three of the Courageous-class were converted into aircraft carriers to make better use of the hull (and to avoid being scrapped altogether by restrictions imposed by the Washington Naval treaty). In her aircraft carrier configuration, HMS ''Glorious'' would go on to serve until the early stages of World War II. After being recalled from the hunt of the ''[[Admiral Graf Spee]]'' in 1940 to evacuate British aircraft from Norway, ''Glorious'' was intercepted and sunk by German battleships ''[[Scharnhorst]]'' and ''Gneisenau'' on 8 June 1940, with over 1,200 loss of lives.
 Introduced in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]], the unconventional design of '''HMS Glorious''' in her 1919 configuration makes her very distinctive from the other "pocket battleships" at her BR, such as [[Admiral Graf Spee|Graf Spee]] and the [[IJN Ikoma|Ikoma]]. The ship is a true "glass cannon", featuring high offensive firepower in the form of four 381 mm cannons, numerous 102 mm guns, a huge stockpile of torpedoes, along with great mobility to boot, however still lacks adequate armour to shield from even cruiser-calibre guns.

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 == Description ==
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-One of the trio of the Courageous-class "large light cruisers", the {{PAGENAME}}'s design perfectly encapsulates First Sea Lord John ('Jackie') Fisher's obsession with superior speed and firepower. Built with his 'Baltic Project' in mind, the ship was designed with high speed and large guns to devastate enemy cruisers while having a shallow draught to allow operations supporting coastal landings in the Baltics. Despite being a capital ship, it was designed with paper thin armour, partly to allow for the high speed and partly to get around a restriction imposed by the Government on the construction of new capital ships, with First Sea Lord Fisher presenting the ships as simply large light cruisers. In fact, the ships were so lightly built that the lead ship HMS ''Courageous'' took not insignificant structural damage in rough seas during sea trials, buckling the hull and deck in several places, shearing off rivets and allowing water to pour in.
+One of the trio of the Courageous-class "large light cruisers", the '''{{PAGENAME}}''''s design perfectly encapsulates First Sea Lord John ('Jackie') Fisher's obsession with superior speed and firepower. Built with his 'Baltic Project' in mind, the ship was designed with high speed and large guns to devastate enemy cruisers while having a shallow draught to allow operations supporting coastal landings in the Baltics. Despite being a capital ship, it was designed with paper thin armour, partly to allow for the high speed and partly to get around a restriction imposed by the Government on the construction of new capital ships, with First Sea Lord Fisher presenting the ships as simply large light cruisers. In fact, the ships were so lightly built that the lead ship HMS ''Courageous'' took not insignificant structural damage in rough seas during sea trials, buckling the hull and deck in several places, shearing off rivets and allowing water to pour in.
 As for the ''Glorious'', she saw only a brief action in her "large light cruiser" configuration" in the Second Battle of Heligoland Bight, where she was forced to retreat after a shell in her forward 15-inch turret prematurely detonated inside the barrel. After the Great war ended, such a specialized ship like the ''Couragous''-class were deemed unnecessary, and all three of the Courageous-class were converted into aircraft carriers to make better use of the hull (and to avoid being scrapped altogether by restrictions imposed by the Washington Naval treaty). In her aircraft carrier configuration, HMS ''Glorious'' would go on to serve until the early stages of World War II. After being recalled from the hunt of the ''[[Admiral Graf Spee]]'' in 1940 to evacuate British aircraft from Norway, ''Glorious'' was intercepted and sunk by German battleships ''[[Scharnhorst]]'' and ''Gneisenau'' on 8 June 1940, with over 1,200 loss of lives.
-Introduced in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]], the unconventional design of HMS Glorious in her 1919 configuration makes her very distinctive from the other "pocket battleships" at her BR, such as [[Admiral Graf Spee|Graf Spee]] and the [[IJN Ikoma|Ikoma]]. The ship is a true "glass cannon", featuring high offensive firepower in the form of four 381 mm cannons, numerous 102 mm guns, a huge stockpile of torpedoes, along with great mobility to boot, however still lacks adequate armour to shield from even cruiser-calibre guns.
+Introduced in [[Update "Fire and Ice"]], the unconventional design of '''HMS Glorious''' in her 1919 configuration makes her very distinctive from the other "pocket battleships" at her BR, such as [[Admiral Graf Spee|Graf Spee]] and the [[IJN Ikoma|Ikoma]]. The ship is a true "glass cannon", featuring high offensive firepower in the form of four 381 mm cannons, numerous 102 mm guns, a huge stockpile of torpedoes, along with great mobility to boot, however still lacks adequate armour to shield from even cruiser-calibre guns.
 == General info ==

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 {{Specs-Fleet-Armour}}
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-The armour of the HMS Glorious is absolutely terrible, even when compared to some light cruisers. The front belt armour which protects the forward ammunition storage is 50.8mm, with the rest of the belt armour having a thickness of 76.2mm. The ammunition storage has an extra 25mm plate surrounding them, with the engine rooms having a 38mm plate instead. The main deck armour consists of two plates of 25mm. The citadel roof armour has 44mm protecting the ammunition, with 19mm on the engine room. The front and rear of the citadel has 76.2mm of armour. The bridge is one of the most well protected parts of the ship, with 254mm of cemented armour in all directions, with a respectable 76mm on the roof. The turrets have 330mm of cemented armour on the front, with the sides and rear protected by 228mm and 279mm respectively. The roof armour has a thickness of 108mm with the barbettes being protected by 178-152mm
+The armour of the HMS Glorious is not good, even when compared to some light cruisers. The front belt armour which protects the forward ammunition storage is 50.8mm, with the rest of the belt armour having a thickness of 76.2mm. The ammunition storage has an extra 25mm plate surrounding them, with the engine rooms having a 38mm plate instead. The main deck armour consists of two plates of 25mm. The citadel roof armour has 44mm protecting the ammunition, with 19mm on the engine room. The front and rear of the citadel has 76.2mm of armour. The bridge is one of the most well protected parts of the ship, with 254mm of cemented armour in all directions, with a respectable 76mm on the roof. The turrets have 330mm of cemented armour on the front, with the sides and rear protected by 228mm and 279mm respectively. The roof armour has a thickness of 108mm with the barbettes being protected by 178-152mm
 The HMS Glorious has a relatively small crew of 842, which combined with terrible armour makes most enemies at and below the main BR a significant threat.

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	* [[wt:en/news/7920-development-hms-glorious-an-outrageous-warship-design-en\|[Devblog] HMS Glorious: An Outrageous Warship Design]]		* [[wt:en/news/7920-development-hms-glorious-an-outrageous-warship-design-en\|[Devblog] HMS Glorious: An Outrageous Warship Design]]

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 == Usage in battles ==
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-''Describe the technique of using this ship, the characteristics of her use in a team and tips on strategy. Abstain from writing an entire guide – don't try to provide a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought. Talk about the most dangerous opponents for this vehicle and provide recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of playing with this vehicle in various modes (AB, RB, SB).''
+HMS Glorious is a classic "glass cannon", featuring extremely powerful 381 mm cannons, backed up by a suite of decent secondary armaments and torpedoes, and great mobility. However, it also has extremely thin armour, which can sometimes prove insufficient against even cruiser-calibre cannons.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * Terrible main turret traverse speed, inability to fire reactively
 * Poor anti-air defence
-* Fixed torpedo tubes restrict its usage to saturational barrages
+* Fixed torpedo tubes restrict their usage to saturational barrages
 == History ==