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== Description ==
''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.''

=== Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===


* {{Specs-Link|sa_342l_china}}
* {{Specs-Link|z_9w}}
* {{Specs-Link|z_11wa}}

== General info ==
''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the missile.''

=== Effective damage ===
''Describe the type of damage produced by this type of missile (high explosive, splash damage, etc)''

=== Comparison with analogues ===
''Give a comparative description of missiles that have firepower equal to this weapon.''

== Usage in battles ==
''Describe situations when you would utilise this missile in-game (vehicle, pillbox, base, etc)''

=== Pros and cons ===
''Summarise and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.''

'''Pros:'''
*

'''Cons:'''
*

== History ==
''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''

== Media ==
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== See also ==
''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
* ''reference to the article about the variant of the weapon;''
* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==
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 As the US Army [[BGM-71 TOW]] has completed its test in late 1960s as well as the commission of [[Milan]] or [[HOT]] missiles, PLAGF has already started their pre-development design works on a new "2nd generation" ATGM in late 1969 by the design team led by Wang Xingzhi (王兴治; ex-designer team member of HJ-73); but by the time they started the development, due to the turmoil of Cultural Revolution that also affected weapon designers and the menacing Soviet troops on the border, the whole Institute 1105 (later Institute 203) has to be moved from Shenyang, Liaoning way back into Sanqiao Township, Xi'an, Shaanxi and later somewhere by the foot of the Zhongnan Mountains (终南山)<ref>PP.74-44, Part 2, Song of "Red Arrow"- HJ-8: The Heroic Orchestra by Cai Yinsheng, 2014 Issue 7, Ordinance Knowledge, ISSN 1000-4912  </ref> while halted the development for 3 years until 1972. The team has to built a new test site from scratch from the materials available on-site, then a hundred-meters long railing and a concrete bunker for target tests; the development resumed in 1974.
-The difficulty on developing of new guidance system was that it was based a completely new concept of guidance- IR guidance where the system has to keep the error within 1 rad/1000 m; it took the engineers 4 years and many tests in desert for methods on filtering the background heat from the environment. The underpowered rocket engine, lack of funding, development of guidance wire (which also took years to develop; ranging from the wire itself and adhesive residue), high overload gyroscope as well as missile tray catching mechanism (where the tray would break the guidance wire if didn't stopped within the tube). Although there were suggestions to introduce French Milan missiles into PLAGF service, but this was ditched in view of the high cost and supporting domestic weapons. All the result of HJ-8 finally fruited as the first certification test in 1984 was successful and later tests even achieved high accuracy in supplementary tests (34 out of 35); after its first appearance in 1984's 35th National Day Parade, the missile system passed for certifications in 1985.<ref>军工记忆I 红箭-8反坦克导弹 Memories of Military Industry Part 1- HJ-8 ATGM<nowiki/>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDmxClbI8TE</ref>
+The difficulty on developing of new guidance system was that it was based a completely new concept of guidance- IR guidance where the system has to keep the error within 1 rad/1000 m; it took the engineers 4 years and many tests in desert for methods on filtering the background heat from the environment. The underpowered rocket engine, lack of funding, development of guidance wire (which also took years to develop; ranging from the wire itself and adhesive residue), high overload gyroscope as well as missile tray catching mechanism (where the tray would break the guidance wire if didn't stopped within the tube). Although there were suggestions to introduce French Milan missiles into PLAGF service, but this was ditched in view of the high cost and supporting domestic weapons. All the result of HJ-8 finally fruited as the first certification test in 1984 was successful and later tests even achieved high accuracy in supplementary tests (34 out of 35); after its first appearance in 1984's 35th National Day Parade, the missile system passed for certifications in 1985.<ref>军工记忆I 红箭-8反坦克导弹 Memories of Military Industry Part 1- HJ-8 ATGM<nowiki/> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDmxClbI8TE</ref>
 Like many Chinese weapons of 1980s, HJ-8 family was exported to multiple countries and the later variants has scored some victories over enemy tanks including T-72, M-84 (rumored during the Yugoslavia Civil War) and even M1A1Ms of Iraqi Army.

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 == History ==
 After the decade long development of J-201 (ATGM that resembled to a [[wikipedia:Cobra_(missile)|Cobra]]; failed in bidding to reverse-engineered [[9M14]]) and the subsequence [[HJ-73]] entered service in 1978, PLAGF was already lagged behind the mainstream of ATGM development (which ATGMs of the era were already SCALOS guided). But way before their competition, the story of HJ-8 has already begun.
-As the US Army [[BGM-71 TOW]] has completed its test in late 1960s as well as the commission of [[Milan]] or [[HOT]] missiles, PLAGF has already started their pre-development design works on a new "2nd generation" ATGM in late 1969 by the design team led by Wang Xingzhi ''(王兴治; ex-designer team member of HJ-73)''; but by the time they started the development, due to the turmoil of Cultural Revolution that also affected weapon designers and the menacing Soviet troops on the border, the whole Institute 1105 ''(later Institute 203)'' has to moved from Shenyang, Liaoning way back into Sanqiao Township, Xi'an, Shaanxi and later somewhere by the foot of the Zhongnan Mountains ''(终南山)''<ref>PP.74-44, Part 2, Song of "Red Arrow"- HJ-8: The Heroic Orchestra by Cai Yinsheng, 2014 Issue 7, Ordinance Knowledge, ISSN 1000-4912  </ref> while halted the development for 3 years until 1972. The team has to built a new test site from scratch from the materials available on-site, then a hundred-meters long railing and a concrete bunker for target tests; the development resumed in 1974.
+As the US Army [[BGM-71 TOW]] has completed its test in late 1960s as well as the commission of [[Milan]] or [[HOT]] missiles, PLAGF has already started their pre-development design works on a new "2nd generation" ATGM in late 1969 by the design team led by Wang Xingzhi (王兴治; ex-designer team member of HJ-73); but by the time they started the development, due to the turmoil of Cultural Revolution that also affected weapon designers and the menacing Soviet troops on the border, the whole Institute 1105 (later Institute 203) has to be moved from Shenyang, Liaoning way back into Sanqiao Township, Xi'an, Shaanxi and later somewhere by the foot of the Zhongnan Mountains (终南山)<ref>PP.74-44, Part 2, Song of "Red Arrow"- HJ-8: The Heroic Orchestra by Cai Yinsheng, 2014 Issue 7, Ordinance Knowledge, ISSN 1000-4912  </ref> while halted the development for 3 years until 1972. The team has to built a new test site from scratch from the materials available on-site, then a hundred-meters long railing and a concrete bunker for target tests; the development resumed in 1974.
-The difficulty on developing of new guidance system was that it was based a completely new concept of guidance- IR guidance where the system has to keep the error within 1 rad/1000 m; it took the engineers 4 years and many tests in desert for methods on filtering the background heat from the environment. The underpowered rocket engine, lack of funding, development of guidance wire ''(which also took years to develop; ranging from the wire itself and adhesive residue)'', high overload gyroscope as well as missile tray catching mechanism ''(where the tray would break the guidance wire if didn't stopped within the tube)''. Although there were suggestions to introduce French Milan missiles into PLAGF service, but this was ditched in view of the high cost and supporting domestic weapons. All the result of HJ-8 finally fruited as the first certification test in 1984 was successful and later tests even achieved high accuracy in supplementary tests (34 out of 35); after its first appearance in 1984's 35th National Day Parade, the missile system passed for certifications in 1985.<ref>军工记忆I 红箭-8反坦克导弹 Memories of Military Industry Part 1- HJ-8 ATGM<nowiki/>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDmxClbI8TE</ref>
+The difficulty on developing of new guidance system was that it was based a completely new concept of guidance- IR guidance where the system has to keep the error within 1 rad/1000 m; it took the engineers 4 years and many tests in desert for methods on filtering the background heat from the environment. The underpowered rocket engine, lack of funding, development of guidance wire (which also took years to develop; ranging from the wire itself and adhesive residue), high overload gyroscope as well as missile tray catching mechanism (where the tray would break the guidance wire if didn't stopped within the tube). Although there were suggestions to introduce French Milan missiles into PLAGF service, but this was ditched in view of the high cost and supporting domestic weapons. All the result of HJ-8 finally fruited as the first certification test in 1984 was successful and later tests even achieved high accuracy in supplementary tests (34 out of 35); after its first appearance in 1984's 35th National Day Parade, the missile system passed for certifications in 1985.<ref>军工记忆I 红箭-8反坦克导弹 Memories of Military Industry Part 1- HJ-8 ATGM<nowiki/>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDmxClbI8TE</ref>
-Like many Chinese weapons of 1980s, HJ-8 family was exported to multiple countries and the later variants has scored some victories over enemy tanks including T-72, M-84 ''(rumored during the Yugoslavia Civil War)'' and even M1A1Ms of Iraqi Army.
+Like many Chinese weapons of 1980s, HJ-8 family was exported to multiple countries and the later variants has scored some victories over enemy tanks including T-72, M-84 (rumored during the Yugoslavia Civil War) and even M1A1Ms of Iraqi Army.
 == Media ==
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 == See also ==
-The HJ-8 family:
+<!-- ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * [[HJ-8C]]
 * [[HJ-8H]]

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 === Comparison with analogues ===
 <!-- ''Give a comparative description of missiles that have firepower equal to this weapon.'' -->
 * [[302]]- HJ-8's de facto ancestor and shares mostly identical characteristics.
 * [[BGM-71C I-TOW|BGM-71]]- The standard the HJ-8s aimed for; but lags behind in most aspects, especially damage and range.
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 == History ==
-''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''
+After the decade long development of J-201 (ATGM that resembled to a [[wikipedia:Cobra_(missile)|Cobra]]; failed in bidding to reverse-engineered [[9M14]]) and the subsequence [[HJ-73]] entered service in 1978, PLAGF was already lagged behind the mainstream of ATGM development (which ATGMs of the era were already SCALOS guided). But way before their competition, the story of HJ-8 has already begun.
 == Media ==
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 == See also ==
-''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
+The HJ-8 family:
-* ''reference to the article about the variant of the weapon;''
+* [[HJ-8C]]
-* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''
+* [[HJ-8H]]
 == External links ==

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 ! colspan="2" |Missile characteristics
 |-
-|'''Mass'''
+|'''Mass''' || 11 kg
 |-
-|'''Guidance'''
+|'''Guidance''' ||Semi-automatic (SACLOS)
 |-
-|'''Maximum speed'''
+|'''Maximum speed''' || 250 m/s
 |-
-|'''Missile guidance time'''
+|'''Missile guidance time''' || 16 secs
 |-
-|'''Firing range'''
+|'''Firing range''' || 3 km
 |-
-|'''Explosive mass'''
+|'''Explosive mass''' || 1.96 kg TNTeq
-|1.96 kg TNTeq
+|-
 |-
 |}
 === Effective damage ===
 <!-- ''Describe the type of damage produced by this type of missile (high explosive, splash damage, etc)'' -->
-Like most missiles with HEAT warhead, the HJ-8A does explosion damage upon hitting the surface of vehicles; it also causes splash damage to internal modules and crews of vehicles, alternatively the sheer explosion itself will cause overpressure damage to very light vehicles.
+Like most missiles with a HEAT warhead, the HJ-8A does explosion damage upon hitting the surface of the vehicles. It also causes splash damage to internal modules and crews of vehicles, alternatively the sheer explosion itself will cause overpressure damage to very light vehicles.
 === Comparison with analogues ===
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe situations when you would utilise this missile in-game (vehicle, pillbox, base, etc.)'' -->
-Due to the fact that it was the first SACLOS ATGM of the PLAGF and the difference in technical development, most of the combat requirements of HJ-8A is rather insufficient for its year of service; let alone the carriers of HJ-8A are at least 8.7. So players might have trouble on playing with the missile with a lesser explosive content and penetration to its counterparts; to make sure making the best use out of this short range, slow-flyer, players have to utilize its carriers (i.e Z-11WA) with excellent mobility to sneak behind enemy lines or covered flanks where enemies need some time to find you. As soon as enemies have spotted you, evade and wait until the battlefield allows you to send off the remaining missiles on existing targets or rearm.
+Due to the fact that it was the first SACLOS ATGM of the PLAGF and the difference in technical development, most of the combat requirements of HJ-8A are rather insufficient for its year of service; let alone the carriers of HJ-8A are at least BR 8.7. So players might have trouble on playing with the missile with a lesser explosive content and penetration than its counterparts. To make the best use out of this short range, slow-flying, players have to utilize its carriers (i.e Z-11WA) with excellent mobility to sneak behind enemy lines or covered flanks where enemies need some time to find you. As soon as enemies have spotted you, evade and wait until the battlefield allows you to send off the remaining missiles on existing targets or rearm.
 === Pros and cons ===

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 == Description ==
-The HJ-8A (红箭-8A式反坦克导弹) is a ATGM from early 1980s and was introduced to the game in [[Update "Drone Age"]] alongside with the Chinese helicopter tech tree.
+<!-- ''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.'' -->
-The second missile of the HJ family of ATGM in service and the "2nd generation" ATGM of PLAGF based on the 302 missiles on [[Object 122MT "MC"|122 medium tanks]], although it has a rather slow flying velocity, short range and lesser penetration against later tanks with composite armor; if utilized correctly, it can still make sure the enemy will meet their end with a precise hit on their critical compartments.
+It is the second missile of the HJ family of ATGMs in service and the "2nd generation" ATGM of PLAGF based on the 302 missiles on [[Object 122MT "MC"|122 medium tanks]]. Although it has a rather slow flight speed, short range and lesser penetration against later tanks with composite armour; if utilized correctly, it can still make sure the enemy will meet their end with a precise hit on their critical compartments.
 === Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
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 == General info ==
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 ! colspan="2" |Missile characteristics
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 === Effective damage ===
-Like most missiles with HEAT warhead, HJ-8A does explosion damage upon hitting the surface of vehicles; it also causes splash damage to internal modules and crews of vehicles, alternatively the sheer explosion itself will cause overpressure damage to very light vehicles.
+<!-- ''Describe the type of damage produced by this type of missile (high explosive, splash damage, etc)'' -->
 === Comparison with analogues ===
-[[302]]- HJ-8's de facto ancestor and shares mostly identical characteristics.
+<!-- ''Give a comparative description of missiles that have firepower equal to this weapon.'' -->
+* [[302]]- HJ-8's de facto ancestor and shares mostly identical characteristics.
-[[BGM-71C I-TOW|BGM-71]]- The target that HJ-8s aimed for; but lags behind in most aspects, especially damage and range.
+* [[BGM-71C I-TOW|BGM-71]]- The standard the HJ-8s aimed for; but lags behind in most aspects, especially damage and range.
+* [[9M17M Falanga|9M17M]] - Although the HJ-8A shines at its speed; both the range and damage is inferior to the Falanga's.
 == Usage in battles ==
 Due to the fact that it was the first SACLOS ATGM of the PLAGF and the difference in technical development, most of the combat requirements of HJ-8A is rather insufficient for its year of service; let alone the carriers of HJ-8A are at least 8.7. So players might have trouble on playing with the missile with a lesser explosive content and penetration to its counterparts; to make sure making the best use out of this short range, slow-flyer, players have to utilize its carriers (i.e Z-11WA) with excellent mobility to sneak behind enemy lines or covered flanks where enemies need some time to find you. As soon as enemies have spotted you, evade and wait until the battlefield allows you to send off the remaining missiles on existing targets or rearm.
 === Pros and cons ===
 '''Pros:'''
-* Sufficiently large caliber for an ATGM
+* Sufficiently large calibre for an ATGM
 '''Cons:'''
 * Rather slow velocity
-* Short range at only 3 km, high risk of being retaliated
+* Short range of only 3 km, high risk of receiving retaliatory fire
 * Lesser penetration and explosive to most ATGMs at its tier
 == History ==