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== Description ==

The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Seek & Destroy"]].

== General info ==
=== Survivability and armour ===
{{Specs-Fleet-Armour}}

''Talk about the vehicle's armour. Note the most well-defended and most vulnerable zones, e.g. the ammo magazine. Evaluate the composition of components and assemblies responsible for movement and manoeuvrability. Evaluate the survivability of the primary and secondary armaments separately. Don't forget to mention the size of the crew, which plays an important role in fleet mechanics. Save tips on preserving survivability for the "Usage in battles" section. If necessary, use a graphical template to show the most well-protected or most vulnerable points in the armour.''

=== Mobility ===
{{Specs-Fleet-Mobility}}

''Write about the ship's mobility. Evaluate its power and manoeuvrability, rudder rerouting speed, stopping speed at full tilt, with its maximum forward and reverse speed.''

{{NavalMobility}}

=== Modifications and economy ===
{{Specs-Economy}}

== Armament ==
{{Specs-Fleet-Armaments}}
=== Primary armament ===
{{Specs-Fleet-Primary}}

{{main|SK C/33 AA (105 mm)}}
''Provide information about the characteristics of the primary armament. Evaluate their efficacy in battle based on their reload speed, ballistics and the capacity of their shells. Add a link to the main article about the weapon: <code><nowiki>{{main|Weapon name (calibre)}}</nowiki></code>. Broadly describe the ammunition available for the primary armament, and provide recommendations on how to use it and which ammunition to choose.''

{{:SK C/33 AA (105 mm)/Ammunition|10.5 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Kpf.Z, 10.5 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Zt.Z}}

=== Secondary armament ===
{{Specs-Fleet-Secondary}}

{{main|57 mm/60 ACAD Mle 1951 (57 mm)}}
''Some ships are fitted with weapons of various calibres. Secondary armaments are defined as weapons chosen with the control <code>Select secondary weapon</code>. Evaluate the secondary armaments and give advice on how to use them. Describe the ammunition available for the secondary armament. Provide recommendations on how to use them and which ammunition to choose. Remember that any anti-air armament, even heavy calibre weapons, belong in the next section. If there is no secondary armament, remove this section.''

{{:57 mm/60 ACAD Mle 1951 (57 mm)/Ammunition|57 mm Mle 1951 HE}}

=== Additional armament ===
{{Specs-Fleet-Additional}}

{{main|L3 (550 mm)}}
''Describe the available additional armaments of the ship: depth charges, mines, torpedoes. Talk about their positions, available ammunition and launch features such as dead zones of torpedoes. If there is no additional armament, remove this section.''

== Usage in battles ==

''Describe the technique of using this ship, the characteristics of her use in a team and tips on strategy. Abstain from writing an entire guide – don't try to provide a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought. Talk about the most dangerous opponents for this vehicle and provide recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of playing with this vehicle in various modes (AB, RB, SB).''

=== Pros and cons ===

''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".''

'''Pros:'''
*

'''Cons:'''
*

== History ==

''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the ship in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the ship and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Ship-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the ship's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''

== Media ==

''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''

== See also ==

''Links to articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
* ''reference to the series of the ship;''
* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

== External links ==

''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
* ''topic on the official game forum;''
* ''other literature.''

{{France destroyers}}

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the first part of the description, cover the history of the ship's creation and military application. In the second part, tell the reader about using this ship in the game. Add a screenshot: if a beginner player has a hard time remembering vehicles by name, a picture will help them identify the ship in question.'' -->
-The French cruiser Guichen was originally built as 'RN Scipione Africano' an Italian cruiser of the [[Capitani Romani (Family)|Capitani Romani-class]] before being transferred to France as war repatriations. Her history begins with the launch in January 1941. After commissioning, she was sent to Taranto, from where she participated in Operation Scylla, during which she sank a British motor torpedo boats, making it the first and only time during the WW2 when an Italian warship successfully used surface search radar to sink an enemy vessel. Scipio on official duty carried Marshal Badoglio to the signing of the long armistice with the Allies, after which he spent the rest of the war assisting allied warships.
+The French cruiser '''Guichen''' was originally built as 'RN Scipione Africano', an Italian cruiser of the [[Capitani Romani (Family)|Capitani Romani-class]], before being transferred to France as war reparations. After her launch in January 1941 and commissioning in April 1943, she was sent to Taranto, from where she participated in Operation Scylla, during which she sank a British motor torpedo boat, making it the first and only time during WW2 when an Italian warship successfully used surface search radar to sink an enemy vessel. Scipio on official duty carried new Prime Minister Badoglio to the signing of the long armistice with the Allies, after which she spent the rest of the war assisting Allied warships.
-After the end of World War II, the cruiser moved to La Spezia, where in 1948 she was removed from the fleet list and renamed ''S.7'' and after being moved to Toulon, she was transferred to France and renamed ''Guichen'' in honour of Admiral Luc Urbain du Buexic, Count of Guichen. In 1949, the cruiser took part in the return of the French gold reserve back to France. In 1957 Guichen became the flagship of the Atlantic Light Fleet. By 1963, she was disarmed and used as a training ship. She was decommissioned in June 1976, then sold for scrap in January 1982.
+After the end of World War II, the cruiser moved to La Spezia, where in 1948 she was removed from the fleet list and renamed ''S.7'' and after being moved to Toulon, she was transferred to France and renamed ''Guichen'' in honour of Admiral Luc Urbain du Buexic, Count of Guichen. In 1949, the cruiser took part in the return of the French gold reserve back to France. In 1957, Guichen became the flagship of the Atlantic Light Fleet. By 1963, she was disarmed and used as a training ship. She was decommissioned in June 1976, then sold for scrap in January 1982.
-'''{{Specs|name}}''' was introduced into the game in [[Update "Seek & Destroy"]] in her 1957 refit. Despite her size, she is best played similarly to an anti-air destroyer. Lacking a sufficient number of high-calibre main guns, she may struggle in 1v1 even against destroyers. Her role is primarily in second-line defence, assisting friendly vessels with her excellent anti-air and anti-coastal capability.
+'''{{Specs|name}}''' was introduced in [[Update "Seek & Destroy"]] in her 1957 refit. Despite her size, she is best played similarly to an anti-air destroyer. Lacking a sufficient number of high-calibre main guns, she may struggle in a 1v1 even against destroyers. Her role is primarily in second-line defence, assisting friendly vessels with her excellent anti-air and anti-coastal capability.
 == General info ==
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 <!-- ''Provide information about the characteristics of the primary armament. Evaluate their efficacy in battle based on their reload speed, ballistics and the capacity of their shells. Add a link to the main article about the weapon: <code><nowiki>{{main|Weapon name (calibre)}}</nowiki></code>. Broadly describe the ammunition available for the primary armament, and provide recommendations on how to use it and which ammunition to choose.'' -->
 {{main|SK C/33 AA (105 mm)}}
-Guichen's main armament is not the 138.6 mm guns found on prior French destroyers, but instead the German 10.5 cm/60 SK C/33 cannon found as secondary armament on German heavy cruisers and battleships. These guns feature a very high rate of fire at 17 rounds per minute with an aced crew, or around 15 rounds per minute with a basic crew. When shooting at surface ships, high explosive is still effective against surface modules like gun turrets and rangefinders, but the low penetration means damaging modules deep within the ship like engines and boilers will be difficult. Against cruisers, the thickness of their hull (25mm steel) means that the HE shells will do very little damage, and will also get stopped by any armor belt.
 {{:SK C/33 AA (105 mm)/Ammunition|10.5 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Kpf.Z, 10.5 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Zt.Z}}
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 <!-- ''Describe the available additional armaments of the ship: depth charges, mines, torpedoes. Talk about their positions, available ammunition and launch features such as dead zones of torpedoes. If there is no additional armament, remove this section.'' -->
 {{main|L3 (550 mm)}}
-Guichen has twelve L3 torpedoes in four triple launchers located near the bridge. There are two launchers on each side of the ship, with decent firing arcs. Despite being anti-submarine torpedoes, they have a decent warhead weight of 200 kg TNT. However, these torpedoes are both short-ranged and fairly slow, with a maximum speed of 46 km/h and a maximum range of 5 kilometers. This means that these torpedoes are best used in close-quarters combat around islands, and
 == Usage in battles ==
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 === Pros and cons ===
 <!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->
 '''Pros:'''
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 * Search Radar
 * Fire Directors have a 3 second update interval
-* 57mm guns do not overheat
+* 57 mm guns do not overheat
 '''Cons:'''

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the first part of the description, cover the history of the ship's creation and military application. In the second part, tell the reader about using this ship in the game. Add a screenshot: if a beginner player has a hard time remembering vehicles by name, a picture will help them identify the ship in question.'' -->
-The French cruiser Guichen was originally built as 'RN Scipione Africano' an Italian cruiser of the [[Capitani Romani (Family)|Capitani Romani-class]] before being transferred to France as war repatriations. Her history begins with the launch in January 1941. After commissioning she was sent to Taranto, from where she participated in Operation Scylla, during which she sank a British motor torpedo boats making it the first and only time during the WW2 when Italian warship succesfully used surface search radar to sink enemy vessel. Scipio on official duty carried Marshal Badoglio to the signing of the long armistice with the Allies, after which he spent rest of the war assisting allied warships.
+The French cruiser Guichen was originally built as 'RN Scipione Africano' an Italian cruiser of the [[Capitani Romani (Family)|Capitani Romani-class]] before being transferred to France as war repatriations. Her history begins with the launch in January 1941. After commissioning, she was sent to Taranto, from where she participated in Operation Scylla, during which she sank a British motor torpedo boats, making it the first and only time during the WW2 when an Italian warship successfully used surface search radar to sink an enemy vessel. Scipio on official duty carried Marshal Badoglio to the signing of the long armistice with the Allies, after which he spent the rest of the war assisting allied warships.
-After the end of World War II, the cruiser moved to La Spezia, where in 1948 she was removed from the fleet list and renamed ''S.7'' and after being moved to Toulon, she was transferred to France and renamed ''Guichen'' in honor of Admiral Luc Urbain du Buexic, Count of Guichen. In 1949, the cruiser took part in the return of the French gold reserve back to France. In 1957 Guichen became the flagship of the Atlantic Light Fleet. In 1963, she was disarmed and used as a training ship. She was decommissioned in June 1976, then sold for scrap in January 1982.
+After the end of World War II, the cruiser moved to La Spezia, where in 1948 she was removed from the fleet list and renamed ''S.7'' and after being moved to Toulon, she was transferred to France and renamed ''Guichen'' in honour of Admiral Luc Urbain du Buexic, Count of Guichen. In 1949, the cruiser took part in the return of the French gold reserve back to France. In 1957 Guichen became the flagship of the Atlantic Light Fleet. By 1963, she was disarmed and used as a training ship. She was decommissioned in June 1976, then sold for scrap in January 1982.
-'''{{Specs|name}}''' was introduced into the game in [[Update "Seek & Destroy"]] in her 1957 refit. Despite her size, she is best played similarly to an anti-air destroyer. Lacking sufficient number of high-calibre main guns, she may struggle in 1v1 even against destroyers. Her role is primarly in second-line defence, assisting friendly vessels with her excellent anti-air and anti-coastal capability.
+'''{{Specs|name}}''' was introduced into the game in [[Update "Seek & Destroy"]] in her 1957 refit. Despite her size, she is best played similarly to an anti-air destroyer. Lacking a sufficient number of high-calibre main guns, she may struggle in 1v1 even against destroyers. Her role is primarily in second-line defence, assisting friendly vessels with her excellent anti-air and anti-coastal capability.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the first part of the description, cover the history of the ship's creation and military application. In the second part, tell the reader about using this ship in the game. Add a screenshot: if a beginner player has a hard time remembering vehicles by name, a picture will help them identify the ship in question.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Seek & Destroy"]].
+The French cruiser Guichen was originally built as 'RN Scipione Africano' an Italian cruiser of the [[Capitani Romani (Family)|Capitani Romani-class]] before being transferred to France as war repatriations. Her history begins with the launch in January 1941. After commissioning she was sent to Taranto, from where she participated in Operation Scylla, during which she sank a British motor torpedo boats making it the first and only time during the WW2 when Italian warship succesfully used surface search radar to sink enemy vessel. Scipio on official duty carried Marshal Badoglio to the signing of the long armistice with the Allies, after which he spent rest of the war assisting allied warships.
 == General info ==
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 * Fire Directors have a 3 second update interval
 * 57mm guns do not overheat
 '''Cons:'''
 * Torpedoes only have a 5 km range, with no "Torpedo Mode" modification
-* Lacks SAP or AP
+* Lacks SAP or AP shells
 * Only the main guns have Timed-Fuse shells, and the ship lacks a tracking radar
 == History ==

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 <!-- ''Provide information about the characteristics of the primary armament. Evaluate their efficacy in battle based on their reload speed, ballistics and the capacity of their shells. Add a link to the main article about the weapon: <code><nowiki>{{main|Weapon name (calibre)}}</nowiki></code>. Broadly describe the ammunition available for the primary armament, and provide recommendations on how to use it and which ammunition to choose.'' -->
 {{main|SK C/33 AA (105 mm)}}
-''Provide information about the characteristics of the primary armament. Evaluate their efficacy in battle based on their reload speed, ballistics and the capacity of their shells. Add a link to the main article about the weapon: <code><nowiki>{{main|Weapon name (calibre)}}</nowiki></code>. Broadly describe the ammunition available for the primary armament, and provide recommendations on how to use it and which ammunition to choose.''
+Guichen's main armament is not the 138.6 mm guns found on prior French destroyers, but instead the German 10.5 cm/60 SK C/33 cannon found as secondary armament on German heavy cruisers and battleships. These guns feature a very high rate of fire at 17 rounds per minute with an aced crew, or around 15 rounds per minute with a basic crew. When shooting at surface ships, high explosive is still effective against surface modules like gun turrets and rangefinders, but the low penetration means damaging modules deep within the ship like engines and boilers will be difficult. Against cruisers, the thickness of their hull (25mm steel) means that the HE shells will do very little damage, and will also get stopped by any armor belt.
 {{:SK C/33 AA (105 mm)/Ammunition|10.5 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Kpf.Z, 10.5 cm Sprgr. L/4.4 Zt.Z}}
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 <!-- ''Describe the available additional armaments of the ship: depth charges, mines, torpedoes. Talk about their positions, available ammunition and launch features such as dead zones of torpedoes. If there is no additional armament, remove this section.'' -->
 {{main|L3 (550 mm)}}
-''Describe the available additional armaments of the ship: depth charges, mines, torpedoes. Talk about their positions, available ammunition and launch features such as dead zones of torpedoes. If there is no additional armament, remove this section.''
+Guichen has twelve L3 torpedoes in four triple launchers located near the bridge. There are two launchers on each side of the ship, with decent firing arcs. Despite being anti-submarine torpedoes, they have a decent warhead weight of 200 kg TNT. However, these torpedoes are both short-ranged and fairly slow, with a maximum speed of 46 km/h and a maximum range of 5 kilometers. This means that these torpedoes are best used in close-quarters combat around islands, and
 == Usage in battles ==
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 * Search Radar
 * Fire Directors have a 3 second update interval
-* Excellent Anti-Aircraft firepower
+* 57mm guns do not overheat
+*
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 * Torpedoes only have a 5 km range, with no "Torpedo Mode" modification
 * Lacks SAP or AP
-* Only the main guns have Timed-Fuse shells
+* Only the main guns have Timed-Fuse shells, and the ship lacks a tracking radar
+*

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 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
 ''Links to articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the series of the ship;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
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 * ''other literature.'' -->
 ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.''

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