GIAT M781 (30 mm) - Revision history

U22067555: Updated fire rate

2024-03-13T14:34:58Z

Updated fire rate

U22067555: /* Vehicles equipped with this weapon */ Added Tiger HAD Block 2

2023-12-06T23:13:35Z

‎Vehicles equipped with this weapon: Added Tiger HAD Block 2

U38088265: /* Available ammunition */ Updated

2022-09-17T10:34:04Z

‎Available ammunition: Updated

U38088265: /* Available ammunition */

2021-08-07T09:19:03Z

‎Available ammunition

U38088265: /* Available ammunition */

2021-03-17T16:49:26Z

‎Available ammunition

U3312106: /* Available ammunition */ Added more info

2021-03-17T16:46:21Z

‎Available ammunition: Added more info

U38088265: Edits, /* History */ Plagiarism from http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3588.html

2021-02-25T09:15:13Z

Edits, ‎History: Plagiarism from http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3588.html

U39013551: /* Available ammunition */

2021-02-25T03:47:21Z

‎Available ammunition

U39013551: /* Usage in battles */ Fixed up the names of the munitions.

2021-02-25T03:46:54Z

‎Usage in battles: Fixed up the names of the munitions.

U39013551: /* Available ammunition */

2021-02-25T03:45:54Z

‎Available ammunition

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 There were 2 variants of the GIAT 30 cannon, the M781 and the M791. The Model 781 was primarily meant to be mounted on helicopters, such as the [[EC-665 Tiger HAD]], while the latter one being intended for fighters such as the Dassault Rafale.
 [[File:EC Tiger turret.jpg|thumb|500x500px|The turret of an EC-665 Tiger with the M781 autocannon]]
-The M781 is offered in multiple installations, such as being mounted as a turret or as a pod, or just fixed to the vehicle. It is 1.87 m long and it weighs roughly 65 kg, and its fire rate is roughly 750 rounds per minute with a muzzle velocity of around 810 m/s. Due to the somewhat heavy recoil of the cannon, single shots or bursts are preferred over fully automatic fire.
+The M781 is offered in multiple installations, such as being mounted as a turret or as a pod, or just fixed to the vehicle. It is 1.87 m long and it weighs roughly 65 kg, and its fire rate is roughly 720 rounds per minute with a muzzle velocity of around 810 m/s. Due to the somewhat heavy recoil of the cannon, single shots or bursts are preferred over fully automatic fire.
 === Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
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 '''Pros:'''
-* High fire rate; being 750 RPM
+* High fire rate; being 720 RPM
 * High velocity of rounds
 * SAPHEI rounds shred soft targets and aircraft alike

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	* {{Specs-Link\|tiger_had_france}}		* {{Specs-Link\|tiger_had_france}}
		+	* {{Specs-Link\|tiger_had_block2_france\|EC-665 Tiger HAD Block 2}}
	* {{Specs-Link\|tiger_hap_france}}		* {{Specs-Link\|tiger_hap_france}}

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 == General info ==
 <!-- ''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.'' -->
-Due to the M781 being limited to only SAP-I rounds that have barely any penetration power, it will prove to be inadequate at dispatching hostile tanks. However, soft targets such as open top vehicles or light vehicles (or even aircraft if the user is comfortable with using the M781 for AA purposes), will get shredded in mere seconds by the M781 thanks to its high fire rate and high velocity.
+Due to the M781 being limited to only SAPHEI rounds that have barely any penetration power, it will prove to be inadequate at dispatching hostile tanks. However, soft targets such as open top vehicles or light vehicles (or even aircraft if the user is comfortable with using the M781 for AA purposes), will get shredded in mere seconds by the M781 thanks to its high fire rate and high velocity.
 === Available ammunition ===
 <!-- ''Describe the shells that are available for the weapon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).'' -->
-* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|SAP-I|Semi-armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|SAP-I|Semi-armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|SAP-I|Semi-armour-piercing incendiary}}
+* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|SAPHEI*|Semi armour-piercing high-explosive incendiary (self-destroying)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|SAPHEI*|Semi armour-piercing high-explosive incendiary (self-destroying)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|SAPHEI*|Semi armour-piercing high-explosive incendiary (self-destroying)}}
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 ! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
 |-
-| Default || 26 || 24 || 16 || 10 || 7 || 4
+| Default || 27 || 25 || 18 || 12 || 8 || 6
 |-
 |}
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 !Name!!Year of Production!!RPM!!Maximum Penetration (mm)
 |-
-|[[2A42 (30 mm)]]||1973||200 - 300 (Low)
+|[[2A42 (30 mm)]]||1973||200 - 300 (Low)<br>550 - 800 (High)
 |82
 |-
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 As mentioned above, the M781 severely lacks in the penetration power. This makes it very difficult to engage hostile tanks, so the user should be careful about picking out targets if one is equipped only with the cannon. If one is engaging with only the cannon, the user should be very careful about their surroundings and use nearby cover, such as buildings or mountains, to flank around the enemy. Be careful about enemy AA as it will shred the user almost instantly if not enough awareness is given to them. If the user manages to flank the enemy, they should focus on dispatching soft targets such as enemy light tanks or AA vehicles if they are caught off-guard.
-The other way of using the M781 is to be a "support" for your teammates. Due to the M781's low penetration but high explosion power HEF-SAPI rounds, one can use this to cripple the tanks, which would otherwise shrug off the HEF-SAPI rounds, by destroying the modules such as the tracks. This way, you can save your teammates from an imminent destruction and even score yourself an assist.
+The other way of using the M781 is to be a "support" for your teammates. Due to the M781's low penetration but high explosion power SAPHEI rounds, one can use this to cripple the tanks, which would otherwise shrug off the SAPHEI rounds, by destroying the modules such as the tracks. This way, you can save your teammates from an imminent destruction and even score yourself an assist.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * High fire rate; being 750 RPM
 * High velocity of rounds
-* HEF-SAPI rounds shred soft targets and aircraft alike
+* SAPHEI rounds shred soft targets and aircraft alike
 '''Cons:'''
-* Restricted to only HEF-SAPI rounds; engaging armor will be difficult
+* Restricted to only SAPHEI rounds; engaging armour will be difficult
 * Thanks to its fire rate and relatively low ammo capacity, it isn't uncommon to run out of rounds rather quickly

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 == General info ==
 <!-- ''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.'' -->
-Due to the M781 being limited to only HEF-SAPI rounds that have barely any penetration power, it will prove to be inadequate at dispatching hostile tanks. However, soft targets such as open top vehicles or light vehicles (or even aircraft if the user is comfortable with using the M781 for AA purposes), will get shredded in mere seconds by the M781 thanks to its high fire rate and high velocity.
+Due to the M781 being limited to only SAP-I rounds that have barely any penetration power, it will prove to be inadequate at dispatching hostile tanks. However, soft targets such as open top vehicles or light vehicles (or even aircraft if the user is comfortable with using the M781 for AA purposes), will get shredded in mere seconds by the M781 thanks to its high fire rate and high velocity.
 === Available ammunition ===
 <!-- ''Describe the shells that are available for the weapon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).'' -->
-* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|HEF-SAPI|High-explosive fragmentation (semi-armour-piercing incendiary)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF-SAPI|High-explosive fragmentation (semi-armour-piercing incendiary)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF-SAPI|High-explosive fragmentation (semi-armour-piercing incendiary)}}
+* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|SAP-I|Semi-armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|SAP-I|Semi-armour-piercing incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|SAP-I|Semi-armour-piercing incendiary}}
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 <!-- ''Describe the shells that are available for the weapon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).'' -->
-* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|HEF-SAPI|High Explosive Fragmentation - Semi Armour Piercing Incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF-SAPI|High Explosive Fragmentation - Semi Armour Piercing Incendiary}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF-SAPI|High Explosive Fragmentation - Semi Armour Piercing Incendiary}}
+* '''Default:''' {{Annotation|HEF-SAPI|High-explosive fragmentation (semi-armour-piercing incendiary)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF-SAPI|High-explosive fragmentation (semi-armour-piercing incendiary)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEF-SAPI|High-explosive fragmentation (semi-armour-piercing incendiary)}}
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
 ! colspan="7" | Penetration statistics
 |-

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 == Description ==
-<!-- "Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game." -->
+<!-- ''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.'' -->
-The '''Model 781''' (also known as the '''Nexter 30''') is a 30 mm revolver cannon with electrical ignition and automatic reckocking, which was introduced in the late 1980s. Unlike the DEFA cannon, the M781 is electrically operated rather than gas operated. This increases both reliability and lifetime of the cannon, but also fire rate.
+The '''Model 781''' (also known as the '''Nexter 30''') is a 30 mm revolver cannon with electrical ignition and automatic recocking, which was introduced in the late 1980s. Unlike the DEFA cannon, the M781 is electrically operated rather than gas operated. This increases both reliability and lifetime of the cannon, but also fire rate.
 There were 2 variants of the GIAT 30 cannon, the M781 and the M791. The Model 781 was primarily meant to be mounted on helicopters, such as the [[EC-665 Tiger HAD]], while the latter one being intended for fighters such as the Dassault Rafale.
 [[File:EC Tiger turret.jpg|thumb|500x500px|The turret of an EC-665 Tiger with the M781 autocannon]]
-The M781 is offered in multiple installations, such as being mounted as a turret or as a pod, or just fixed to the vehicle. It is 1,87 m long and it weighs roughly 65 kg, and its fire rate is roughly 750 rounds a minute with the muzzle velocity of around 810 m/s. Due to the somewhat heavy recoil of the cannon, single shots or bursts are preferred over fully automatic fire.
+The M781 is offered in multiple installations, such as being mounted as a turret or as a pod, or just fixed to the vehicle. It is 1.87 m long and it weighs roughly 65 kg, and its fire rate is roughly 750 rounds per minute with a muzzle velocity of around 810 m/s. Due to the somewhat heavy recoil of the cannon, single shots or bursts are preferred over fully automatic fire.
 === Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
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 == General info ==
-<!-- "Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun." -->
+<!-- ''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.'' -->
 Due to the M781 being limited to only HEF-SAPI rounds that have barely any penetration power, it will prove to be inadequate at dispatching hostile tanks. However, soft targets such as open top vehicles or light vehicles (or even aircraft if the user is comfortable with using the M781 for AA purposes), will get shredded in mere seconds by the M781 thanks to its high fire rate and high velocity.
 === Available ammunition ===
-* <!-- "Describe the shells that are available for the weapon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells)." -->{{Annotation|HEF-SAPI|High Explosive Fragmentation - Semi Armour Piercing Incendiary}}
+* {{Annotation|HEF-SAPI|High Explosive Fragmentation - Semi Armour Piercing Incendiary}}
 === Comparison with analogues ===
-<!-- "Give a comparative description of cannons/machine guns that have firepower equal to this weapon." -->
+<!-- ''Give a comparative description of cannons/machine guns that have firepower equal to this weapon.'' -->
 {| class="wikitable"
-! colspan="4" |'''Comparable autocannons to the M781'''
+! colspan="4" | Comparable autocannons to the M781
 |-
 !Name!!Year of Production!!RPM!!Maximum Penetration (mm)
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 |[[M230E-1 (30 mm)]]||1975||625||51
 |}
 == Usage in battles ==
-<!-- "Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought." -->
+<!-- ''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.'' -->
 As mentioned above, the M781 severely lacks in the penetration power. This makes it very difficult to engage hostile tanks, so the user should be careful about picking out targets if one is equipped only with the cannon. If one is engaging with only the cannon, the user should be very careful about their surroundings and use nearby cover, such as buildings or mountains, to flank around the enemy. Be careful about enemy AA as it will shred the user almost instantly if not enough awareness is given to them. If the user manages to flank the enemy, they should focus on dispatching soft targets such as enemy light tanks or AA vehicles if they are caught off-guard.
 The other way of using the M781 is to be a "support" for your teammates. Due to the M781's low penetration but high explosion power HEF-SAPI rounds, one can use this to cripple the tanks, which would otherwise shrug off the HEF-SAPI rounds, by destroying the modules such as the tracks. This way, you can save your teammates from an imminent destruction and even score yourself an assist.
 === Pros and cons ===
-<!-- "Summarise and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list." -->
+<!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the weaponry in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark pros and cons as a list.'' -->
 '''Pros:'''
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 == History ==
-<!-- "Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History) and add a link to it here using the main template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <ref></ref>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <references />. -->
+''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''
 == Media ==
-''An excellent addition to the article would be a video guide, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.''
+''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
 == See also ==
-<!-- "Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:"
+<!-- ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
+* ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
-"*reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;"
+* ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.'' -->
 * [[2A42 (30 mm)]] - An autocannon mounted on the Mi-28N
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 == External links ==
-<!-- "Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:"
+<!-- ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
+* ''topic on the official game forum;''
-"*topic on the official game forum;"
+* ''encyclopedia page on the weapon;''
+* ''other literature.'' -->
 * [http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3588.html <nowiki>[army-guide.com] M781</nowiki>]
 * [https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexter_30 <nowiki>[fr.wikipedia.org] M781 (Nexter 30)</nowiki>]