G.91 R/3 (Germany) - Revision history

U146053946: /* Usage in battles */ Change 8° to 15°.

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‎Usage in battles: Change 8° to 15°.

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */ Updated

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‎Suspended armament: Updated

U44629479: Undo revision 174647 by U31207800 (talk)

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U31207800: pros

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pros

U15684061: /* Pros and cons */

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‎Pros and cons

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */ Updated

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U44629479: Edits

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U38088265: /* Armaments */ Updated

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U3312106: /* Flight performance */ Correction

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 {{Navigation-Start|Default weapon presets}}
 {{Navigation-First-Simple-Line}}
 * 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons (125 rpg = 250 total)
 * 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons + 76 x SNEB type 23 rockets
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-Achieving air superiority should be the primary task for all G.91 pilots. However, the G.91 R/3 excels in a support role, especially in uptiers, where most of enemies can simply run away from it. To do this, take 9 min of fuel to boost its acceleration and climb rate (the low ammo count will discourage prolonged air combat anyways), and after takeoff climb at around 8° (680-700 km/h). When the first enemies engage with allies, go over them and find target with low energy state and destroy it. Do not chase lonely planes, as although enemy might look like easy 1-v-1 victory, the low top speed makes it very hard to catch somebody. Try not to engage in a prolonged dogfight, because the G.91 R/3 has rather poor energy retention and when caught slow even good acceleration won't save the plane. Also, keep in mind that the G.91 R/3 has poor low speed performance because of swept wings and lack of leading edge slats. In prolonged turn fight, one may find themselves losing even against jets like the MiG-15. Another thing is '''do not air brake'''. The G.91 R/3's below average energy retention combined with overall good manoeuvrability makes it easy enough for pilot to evade enemy, and in combat, even the good acceleration is not enough to regain the lost speed.
+Achieving air superiority should be the primary task for all G.91 pilots. However, the G.91 R/3 excels in a support role, especially in uptiers, where most of enemies can simply run away from it. To do this, take 9 min of fuel to boost its acceleration and climb rate (the low ammo count will discourage prolonged air combat anyways), and after takeoff climb at around 15° (680-700 km/h). When the first enemies engage with allies, go over them and find target with low energy state and destroy it. Do not chase lonely planes, as although enemy might look like easy 1-v-1 victory, the low top speed makes it very hard to catch somebody. Try not to engage in a prolonged dogfight, because the G.91 R/3 has rather poor energy retention and when caught slow even good acceleration won't save the plane. Also, keep in mind that the G.91 R/3 has poor low speed performance because of swept wings and lack of leading edge slats. In prolonged turn fight, one may find themselves losing even against jets like the MiG-15. Another thing is '''do not air brake'''. The G.91 R/3's below average energy retention combined with overall good manoeuvrability makes it easy enough for pilot to evade enemy, and in combat, even the good acceleration is not enough to regain the lost speed.
 Destroying bombers and attackers is also a feasible option thanks to the powerful cannon armament. However, the lack of durability and low ammo count make this rather a secondary task.

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 ! [[DEFA 552 (30 mm)|30 mm DEFA 552]] cannons (125 rpg)
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 ! [[AN-M57 (250 lb)|250 lb AN-M57]] bombs
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 ! [[AN-M64A1 (500 lb)|500 lb AN-M64A1]] bombs
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+| 1 || 1 || || || 1 || 1
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 ! [[Mk 82 Snakeye (500 lb)|500 lb Mk 82 Snakeye]] bombs
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-! [[Aerea 559G1 incendiary]] bombs
+! [[M116A2 incendiary]] bombs
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 ! [[SNEB type 23]] rockets
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 ! [[AS-20 Nord]] missiles
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-| colspan="7" | Maximum permissible weight imbalance: 270 kg
+| colspan="7" | Maximum permissible loadout weight: 1,250 kg<br>Maximum permissible weight imbalance: 370 kg
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-| colspan="8" | * MCLOS missiles cannot be carried in conjunction with cannons on hardpoint 4
+| colspan="8" | * MCLOS missiles cannot be carried in conjunction with a cannon on hardpoint 4
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 {{Navigation-Start|Default weapon presets}}
 {{Navigation-First-Simple-Line}}
 * 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons (125 rpg = 250 total)
-* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons + 38 x SNEB type 23 rockets
+* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons + 76 x SNEB type 23 rockets
 * 1 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannon + 4 x AS-20 Nord missiles
 * 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons + 4 x 250 lb AN-M57 bombs (1,000 lb total)
-* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons + 2 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs (1,000 lb total)
+* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons + 4 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs (2,000 lb total)
-* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons + 2 x 500 lb Mk 82 Snakeye bombs (1,000 lb total)
+* 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons + 4 x 500 lb Mk 82 Snakeye bombs (2,000 lb total)
 * 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons + 2 x Aerea 559G1 incendiary bombs
 {{Navigation-End}}

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 * Has access to drag chute, that combined with high P/W ratio allows pilots to use short airfields
 * The 30 mm cannons have very good penetration can destroy light tanks through the hull and other main battle tanks through the roof
 '''Cons:'''

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 * Has access to drag chute, that combined with high P/W ratio allows pilots to use short airfields
 * The 30 mm cannons have very good penetration can destroy light tanks through the hull and other main battle tanks through the roof
 '''Cons:'''

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 {{Navigation-Start|Default weapon presets}}
 {{Navigation-First-Simple-Line}}
 * 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons (125 rpg = 250 total)
 * 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons + 38 x SNEB type 23 rockets
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 * Fairly low ammo count for the guns means that you need to be conservative with your ammo
 * Wings can snap off when trying to pull very hard at high speeds and when pushing elevator + ailerons at the same time, especially with 20min of fuel
 == History ==
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-<gallery mode="packed-hover"  heights="150">
+<gallery mode="packed-hover" heights="150">
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 {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
-{{main|AN-M57 (250 lb)|AN-M64A1 (500 lb)|AS-20 Nord|SNEB type 23|DEFA 552 (30 mm)}}
+{{main|AN-M57 (250 lb)|AN-M64A1 (500 lb)|Aerea 559G1 incendiary}}
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
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 * 1 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannon + 4 x AS-20 Nord missiles
 * 2 x 30 mm DEFA 552 cannons + 38 x SNEB type 23 rockets
 Featuring a wide range of ordnance, the G.91 R/3 can be equipped for any role from ground to air combat, though it prefers air superiority.

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 {{Specs-Avia-Flight}}
 <!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->
-The G.91 R/3 is a light weight strike fighter, its powerplant is the Bristol Orpheus MK.803 engine that can produce 2270 kgf of thrust. The level speed is quite good: it can reach 1084 km/h at sea level, slightly better compared to the MiG-15bis and significantly lower than in the F-86 series or MiG-17. Its acceleration is good when the plane is in clean configuration without any additional armament under its wings, it is on par with the MiG-17 and better than in Sabres at similar battle rating. The Gina's climb rate is at most mediocre, while it is similar to the MD.452 or Yak-30, the other planes like the F-86F or MiG-15 will not have any problem outclimbing it, at sea level it is at most 39 m/s with full fuel tanks.
+The G.91 R/3 is a light weight strike fighter, its powerplant is the Bristol Orpheus MK.803 engine that can produce 2270 kgf of thrust. The level speed is quite good: it can reach 1,084 km/h at sea level, slightly better compared to the MiG-15bis and significantly lower than in the F-86 series or MiG-17. Its acceleration is good when the plane is in clean configuration without any additional armament under its wings, it is on par with the MiG-17 and better than in Sabres at similar battle rating. The Gina's climb rate is at most mediocre, while it is similar to the MD.452 or Yak-30, the other planes like the F-86F or MiG-15 will not have any problem outclimbing it, at sea level it is at most 39 m/s with full fuel tanks.
 Once the player decides to take any weapons like the Nord missiles into battle, it has a huge impact on its level speed, acceleration and climb rate, mainly because of the low plane's mass. This effect is much more noticeable than with Sabres. The engine can start overheating after continuous flying at max power (the limit is 15 minutes), lowering it to 95% should help with cooling it down.
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 Featuring a wide range of ordnance, the G.91 R/3 can be equipped for any role from ground to air combat, though it prefers air superiority.
-The DEFA 552 is an excellent revolver cannon for jet to jet combat. With high velocity, devastating high-explosive rounds and fast firing rate it can easily hit even extreme deflection or long-range pursuit shots. The only downside is the low ammo count of 125 rounds per cannon and thus having to resort to very short burst fires.
+The DEFA 552 is an excellent revolver cannon for air-to-air combat. With high velocity, devastating high-explosive rounds and fast-firing rate it can easily hit even extreme deflection or long-range pursuit shots. The only downside is the low ammo count of 125 rounds per cannon and thus having to resort to very short burst fires.
-For air-to-ground purposes, the G.91 R/3 is similar to the [[G.91 pre-serie]] and [[G.91 R/1]], both its predecessors, in loadout options sharing the same FFAR Mighty Mouse rocket option as well as the choice of a pair of 500 lb bombs. However, the R/3 has an additional and unique option; the AS-20 Nord air-to-ground missile, with a reasonable penetration value (83 mm RHAe) but incredible warhead size of (just under) 30 kilograms of TNT. Skilled use of the missile can allow for a more accurate fire at longer ranges especially versus more dangerous vehicles like self-propelled anti-aircraft guns.
+For air-to-ground purposes, the G.91 R/3 is similar to the [[G.91 pre-serie]] and [[G.91 R/1]], both its predecessors, in loadout options sharing the same FFAR Mighty Mouse rocket option as well as the choice of a pair of 500 lb bombs. However, the R/3 has an additional and unique option; the AS-20 Nord air-to-ground missile, with a reasonable penetration value (83 mm RHAe) but incredible warhead size of (just under) 30 kg of TNT. Skilled use of the missile can allow for a more accurate fire at longer ranges especially versus more dangerous vehicles like self-propelled anti-aircraft guns.
 == Usage in battles ==
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-* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=germany&vehicleType=aircraft&vehicleClass=jet_fighter&vehicle=fiat_g91_r3 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
+* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fiat_g91_r3 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 Once the player decides to take any weapons like the Nord missiles into battle, it has a huge impact on its level speed, acceleration and climb rate, mainly because of the low plane's mass. This effect is much more noticeable than with Sabres. The engine can start overheating after continuous flying at max power (the limit is 15 minutes), lowering it to 95% should help with cooling it down.
-Manoeuvrability of the G.91 is decent: the instantaneous turn rate is good, the plane can easily pull high G amounts even near subsonic speed and it helps with pulling high angle snapshots with full real controls. The continuous turn rate is however mediocre, it will not be able to win any prolonged fight against a F2H or a MiG-15. Pulling high G amounts at low and medium speeds can also make it bleed a lot of energy, more than in the MiG-15 or the best Sabre versions. The rolling performance is outstanding like in the F-86 series, it makes the plane very good at performing defensive manoeuvres and effective the G.91's airbrakes can further improve it. The flaps have high speed limits and can considerably improve its turning performance. Overall the plane feels very similar to the F-86F series flight characteristics (the ones without wing slats) and both can use the same tactics and flying style.
+Manoeuvrability of the G.91 is decent: the instantaneous turn rate is good, the plane can easily pull high G amounts even near transonic speed and it helps with pulling high angle snapshots with full real controls. The continuous turn rate is however mediocre, it will not be able to win any prolonged fight against a F2H or a MiG-15. Pulling high G amounts at low and medium speeds can also make it bleed a lot of energy, more than in the MiG-15 or the best Sabre versions. The rolling performance is outstanding like in the F-86 series, it makes the plane very good at performing defensive manoeuvres and effective the G.91's airbrakes can further improve it. The flaps have high speed limits and can considerably improve its turning performance. Overall the plane feels very similar to the F-86F series flight characteristics (the ones without wing slats) and both can use the same tactics and flying style.
 In simulator battles, the plane is very hard to stall out: it will not start rolling even when the elevator is fully pulled. It may require some positive trimming at low and medium speed. When flying above 700 km/h the player should be very cautious of pulling too much, it is very easy to reach the G amount limit and break one of wings, especially during rolling and turning at the same time. This can be partially nullified by removing the New Boosters modification.