G.91 R/1 - Revision history

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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a light subsonic fighter developed by Fiat in the late 1950s, it was a great success being introduced in the Italian, German and Portuguese air force. The objective of said fighter was to create a cheap, light fighter bomber capable of becoming the standard between all NATO nations, this was due to the experience of the US and UN forces in the Korean War, and the introduction of more capable jet engines, that pushed the NATO Command to set a competition for this role. A total of 756 aircraft were built in a spam of 19 years. The G-91 R/1 was the first light attack/reconnaissance version of the G-91, compared to previous versions, it featured the same armament and powerplant, but added the capability to launch MACLOS guided AA-20 and AS-20 Nord missiles, as well as three cameras mounted on the nose.
+The G.91 was a light subsonic fighter developed by Fiat in the late 1950s, it was a great success being introduced in the Italian, German, and Portuguese air force. The objective of said fighter was to create a cheap, light fighter-bomber capable of becoming the standard between all NATO nations, this was due to the experience of the US and UN forces in the Korean War, and the introduction of more capable jet engines, that pushed the NATO Command to set a competition for this role. A total of 756 aircraft were built in a span of 19 years. The '''G.91 R/1''' was the first light attack/reconnaissance version of the G.91; compared to previous versions, it featured the same armament and powerplant, but added the capability to launch MACLOS guided AA-20 and AS-20 Nord missiles, as well as three cameras mounted on the nose.
-It was introduced in [[Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica"]] along with the initial Italian aviation tree. The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a very light and nimble aircraft, it features some decent air to air and air to ground capabilities, thanks mainly to the AA-20 and AS-20 Nord missiles and its flight performance. For air combat the AA-20 missiles are very hard to guide, but compensate this by being extremely good at last minute launches in head-ons, in situations when the enemy cant properly dodge, they are also a very good way of destroying bombers without getting to close or from awkward angles. Its ground ordinance consists of AS-20 missiles and rockets, the AS-20 Nords are the best option and can reliably destroy most targets, but they require good aim to be used.
+It was introduced in [[Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica"]] along with the initial Italian aviation tree. The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a very light and nimble aircraft, it features some decent air-to-air and air-to-ground capabilities, thanks mainly to the AA-20 and AS-20 Nord missiles and its flight performance. For air combat, the AA-20 missiles are very hard to guide, but compensate by being extremely good in last minute launches in head-ons, in situations when the enemy can't properly dodge, they are also a very good way of destroying bombers without getting too close or from awkward angles. The G.91's ground ordnance consists of AS-20 missiles as well as rockets, the AS-20 Nords are the best option and can reliably destroy most targets, but they require good aim to be used.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (nicknamed ''"Gina"'') is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Italian jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica"]] along with the initial Italian aviation tree.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a light subsonic fighter developed by Fiat in the late 1950s, it was a great success being introduced in the Italian, German and Portuguese air force. The objective of said fighter was to create a cheap, light fighter bomber capable of becoming the standard between all NATO nations, this was due to the experience of the US and UN forces in the Korean War, and the introduction of more capable jet engines, that pushed the NATO Command to set a competition for this role. A total of 756 aircraft were built in a spam of 19 years. The G-91 R/1 was the first light attack/reconnaissance version of the G-91, compared to previous versions, it featured the same armament and powerplant, but added the capability to launch MACLOS guided AA-20 and AS-20 Nord missiles, as well as three cameras mounted on the nose.
-A mid 1950s transonic fighter (< Mach 0.98) with ground attack abilities. Very manoeuvrable, but with a light offensive armament makes the G.91 with its young age a difficult starter aircraft into the jet era. Especially as it will fly in fierce competition in the sky, facing every sub- and transonic aircraft and being smack in the middle performance-wise.
+It was introduced in [[Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica"]] along with the initial Italian aviation tree. The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a very light and nimble aircraft, it features some decent air to air and air to ground capabilities, thanks mainly to the AA-20 and AS-20 Nord missiles and its flight performance. For air combat the AA-20 missiles are very hard to guide, but compensate this by being extremely good at last minute launches in head-ons, in situations when the enemy cant properly dodge, they are also a very good way of destroying bombers without getting to close or from awkward angles. Its ground ordinance consists of AS-20 missiles and rockets, the AS-20 Nords are the best option and can reliably destroy most targets, but they require good aim to be used.
 == General info ==
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 {{Navigation-Start|Default weapon presets}}
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 * 4 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns (300 rpg = 1,200 total)
 * 4 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns + 38 x FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets

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 {{Navigation-Start|Default weapon presets}}
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-* 4 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns (600 rpg = 1,200 total)
+* 4 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns (300 rpg = 1,200 total)
 * 4 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns + 38 x FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
 * 2 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine gun + 2 x AS-20 Nord missiles

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 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
-* 4 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns (300 rpg = 1,200 total)
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 * 4 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns + 2 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs (1,000 lb total)
 * 4 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns + 2 x Aerea 559G1 incendiary bombs
 The M3 Browning is a new weapon in the Italian arsenal at this 5th tier and compared to the previous experiences a letdown. The rate of fire is phenomenal, but the small calibre and ammo size put a serious damper to the mood, that is in comparison of course. In practice and with good aim, it can easily shred four fighters. The high bullet velocity and fire rate is quite the advantage in the fast-paced world of jet combat, ensuring hits in deflection shots where the lower rate of fire found in the [[:Category:Fifth_rank_aircraft|Soviet jet fighters]] might have failed the pilot.

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 == Usage in battles ==
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-Air superiority is the combat objective for the G.91 ''Gina'', anything else is secondary. In team games lure enemy fighters into extensive and excessive dogfights to allow your heavier and less nimble allies to Boom and Zoom or Boom and Run them. With their great thrust to weight ratio, the G.91 can maintain their energy superiority and in emergencies (such as non-existant teamplay) to disengage. Alternatively, standard Boom & Zoom is a considerable choice. Again the great acceleration allows for more energy-expensive manoeuvres and still disengage without much worry from the target. Such follies would be deadly in many other fighters, but the Gina is hence quite forgiving. In fact too forgiving, new pilots to the jet age need to lose old habits and the G.91 does not force one's hand.<br>
+Air superiority is the combat objective for the G.91 ''Gina'', anything else is secondary. In team games lure enemy fighters into extensive and excessive dogfights to allow your heavier and less nimble allies to Boom and Zoom or Boom and Run them. With their great thrust to weight ratio, the G.91 can maintain their energy superiority and in emergencies (such as non-existent teamplay) to disengage. Alternatively, standard Boom & Zoom is a considerable choice. Again the great acceleration allows for more energy-expensive manoeuvres and still disengage without much worry from the target. Such follies would be deadly in many other fighters, but the Gina is hence quite forgiving. In fact too forgiving, new pilots to the jet age need to lose old habits and the G.91 does not force one's hand. The G.91 can hold its own against several aircraft at once, but won't be able to win such a battle on its own
-Against bombers and ground attack craft the G.91 lacks necessary firepower and it will take considerable ammo use to compensate for this. The measly protection against defensive fire makes this a dangerous task anyway and should thusly be left for better-equipped allies.<br>
+A few strategies for the G.91 AA-20 Nord Air-to-Air missiles: Use your Nord Air-to-Air missiles in a head-on, where you fire your missile around the 1km mark, leading to the enemy being unable to dodge the missile due to over-commitment, or it leads to them losing the killing shot as you barrel roll out of fire. You can also fire at enemies running away in a straight line, enemies that often fall for this are A-4Es and other variants of the A-4 line. Use these Nord missiles only when your enemy is predictable as aiming these missiles is difficult, aiming of which is lightened with the enormous proximity range, meaning even if you fail to be exact, it will still cause heavy damage. Do not fire missiles on stalling aircraft, unless you're certain you can't gun them down with your .50 cals or you'll stall out before you can kill them, it'll just waste your precious Nords.<br>
-The very same can be said for ground attacks. While being able to mount air-to-ground ordnance, the payload yield is minuscule. The FFAR pods are the only worthwhile consideration but run against the G.91's intended role of Air Superiority Fighter.
+Against bombers and ground attack craft the G.91 lacks necessary firepower, the Nords however can compensate for this with their large proximity fuse and manual guidance, if you decide however to use your primary guns, it will drain your ammo severely. The measly protection against defensive fire makes this a dangerous task anyway and should thusly be left for better-equipped allies.<br>
 === Pros and cons ===
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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (nicknamed ''"Gina"'') is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Italian jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.69 "Regia Aeronautica"]] along with the initial Italian aviation tree.
-A mid 50's transonic fighter (< Mach 0.98) with ground attack abilities. Very manoeuvrable, but with a light offensive armament makes the G.91 with its young age a difficult starter aircraft into the jet era. Especially as it will fly in fierce competition in the sky, facing every sub- and transonic aircraft and being smack in the middle performance-wise.
+A mid 1950s transonic fighter (< Mach 0.98) with ground attack abilities. Very manoeuvrable, but with a light offensive armament makes the G.91 with its young age a difficult starter aircraft into the jet era. Especially as it will fly in fierce competition in the sky, facing every sub- and transonic aircraft and being smack in the middle performance-wise.
 There are little changes between the [[G.91 pre-serie|Pre-serie]], [[G.91 R/1|R/1]], [[G.91 R/3|R/3]] and the [[G.91 R/4|R/4]] and this guide can be considered universal for all listed aircraft.
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 The G.91 was intended to replace the [[F-86A-5|F-86A Sabre]] in German, Portuguese and Italian service and it shows. With an empty weight of only 3,100 kg (6,800 lbs) and a takeoff weight of 5,500 kg (12,100 lbs), the Gina is in the same weight class as the [[P-51D-5|P-51D]] and [[MiG-9]], yet severely lighter than most other jets and losing about one and a half tonnes compared to the Sabre A.
-Although only outputting a meagre 22 kN of thrust this first look disadvantage is literally outweighed by the high thrust to weight ratio of 0.73 empty (0.41 full). This makes the Gina an excellent dogfighter as jet fighters maintain both their top speed, climb and sustained turn-rate by their engine power rather than other flight characteristics. It can easily reach its own terminal speed (1,011 km/h, 921 f/s) and self-destruct in level flight.
+Although only outputting a meagre 22 kN of thrust this first look disadvantage is literally outweighed by the high thrust to weight ratio of 0.73 empty (0.41 full). This makes the Gina an excellent dogfighter as jet fighters maintain both their top speed, climb and sustained turn-rate by their engine power rather than other flight characteristics. It can easily reach its own terminal speed (1,011 km/h, 921 ft/s) and self-destruct in level flight.
 Lacking in straight wings and leading wing slats the stall speed for the G.91 is quite higher than the low weight lets one assume. One should hence be wary of many older jet types with said features, as after bleeding too much speed they can easily outmanoeuvre the Gina.
-Starting with 20 min of fuel, gaining the climb speed of 800 km/h IAS (sustainable @ 7-8°; 730 f/s) takes a mere ~80 seconds with 20 predicated for taking off at 230 km/h or 210 f/s IAS. An Immelmann at 800 km/h will gain 1000 m and loose 300 km/h. A hard 180° turn at the same speed takes >100 km/h and may lose up to 60 m.
+Starting with 20 min of fuel, gaining the climb speed of 800 km/h IAS (sustainable @ 7-8°; 730 f/s) takes a mere ~80 seconds with 20 predicated for taking off at 230 km/h or 210 f/s IAS. An Immelmann at 800 km/h will gain 1,000 m and lose 300 km/h. A hard 180° turn at the same speed takes >100 km/h and may lose up to 60 m.
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-| colspan="2" | Bristol Orpheus MK.803 ||  1
+| colspan="2" | Bristol Orpheus MK.803 || 1
 | colspan="2" | 3,337 kg || colspan="3" | 281 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
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 Winner of the 1953 NATO light tactical support aircraft competition, the Fiat "Small Sabre" would be in production for 19 years, with 756 aircraft completed, with the last aircraft produced in 1977. It served in the Italian and West German air forces starting in 1961 and 1962 respectively.
-The original competition specifications called for a jet able to carry 450 kg of ordnance with an operational radius of 180 km, assuming 10 minutes over the target, with a maximum speed of at least Mach 0.95 and a takeoff distance of no more than 1100m, on unprepared or grass runways. Eight aircraft competed in the first round, including the French Dassault Etendard (then called the Mystere XXVI) and the British Folland Gnat. The Etendard, the G.91 and a Breguet design were selected for the second round beginning in late 1957. Fiat went ahead with pre-production ("pre-serie" in Italian) aircraft, with first flight in August 1956, seven months ahead of its competitors. The crash of the first prototype due to aeroelastic vibrations in February 1957, proved a setback, but the G.91 entered the second round as scheduled and was announced as the winner in January 1958.
+The original competition specifications called for a jet able to carry 450 kg of ordnance with an operational radius of 180 km, assuming 10 minutes over the target, with a maximum speed of at least Mach 0.95 and a takeoff distance of no more than 1,100 m, on unprepared or grass runways. Eight aircraft competed in the first round, including the French Dassault Etendard (then called the Mystere XXVI) and the British Folland Gnat. The Etendard, the G.91 and a Breguet design were selected for the second round beginning in late 1957. Fiat went ahead with pre-production ("pre-serie" in Italian) aircraft, with first flight in August 1956, seven months ahead of its competitors. The crash of the first prototype due to aeroelastic vibrations in February 1957, proved a setback, but the G.91 entered the second round as scheduled and was announced as the winner in January 1958.
 Critics said Fiat had just copied the F-86 Sabre, which it was manufactured under license, but these claims seem unwarranted. Operational service evaluations with the Italian air force's 103 Squadron ran from February to July 1959, leading to a West German decision to manufacture the aircraft under license.
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 == Armaments ==
 {{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
-=== Offensive armament ===
+=== Suspended armament ===
-{{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}
+{{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
-<!-- ''Describe the offensive armament of the aircraft, if any. Describe how effective the cannons and machine guns are in a battle, and also what belts or drums are better to use. If there is no offensive weaponry, delete this subsection.'' -->
+<!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
-{{main|M3 Browning (12.7 mm)}}
+{{main|AN-M64A1 (500 lb)|AA-20 Nord|AS-20 Nord|FFAR Mighty Mouse|M3 Browning (12.7 mm)}}
-The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
+The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
-* 4 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns, nose-mounted (300 rpg = 1,200 total)
+* 4 x 12.7 mm M3 Browning machine guns (300 rpg = 1,200 total)
 The M3 Browning is a new weapon in the Italian arsenal at this 5th tier and compared to the previous experiences a letdown. The rate of fire is phenomenal, but the small calibre and ammo size put a serious damper to the mood, that is in comparison of course. In practice and with good aim, it can easily shred four fighters. The high bullet velocity and fire rate is quite the advantage in the fast-paced world of jet combat, ensuring hits in deflection shots where the lower rate of fire found in the [[:Category:Fifth_rank_aircraft|Soviet jet fighters]] might have failed the pilot.
 Yet one will always look onto greener pastures, especially as the Gina only has four guns unlike all other Browning armed jets. No matter how you turn it, the armament is only manageable with skill and for a beginner outright bad.
 The G.91 is a fighter and it shows in the additional payloads. They should only be considered for a quick drop on the way to the combat zone, losing height/speed advantage in doing so, or once aerial dominance has already accomplished. Even then many other jets are way better suited for ground attacks.

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 | colspan="2" | Bristol Orpheus MK.803 ||  1
-| colspan="2" | 3,477 kg || colspan="3" | 281 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
+| colspan="2" | 3,337 kg || colspan="3" | 281 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
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 ! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics