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U138561251: A lot of detail on how to eliminate enemies with the FV4005, what weakpoints to aim at, and common issues with playing the vehicle (due to its armament) and how to avoid them.

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A lot of detail on how to eliminate enemies with the FV4005, what weakpoints to aim at, and common issues with playing the vehicle (due to its armament) and how to avoid them.

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 '''Pros:'''
-* Armed with the gigantic 183 mm cannon, causes extremely large dopamine release.
+* Armed with the gigantic 183 mm cannon
 * 183 mm HESH will cause the spalling of enemy armour that is 228 mm thick or less. Devastating to even the most heavily armoured tanks
 * Large gun breech can potentially protect some of the turret crew from incoming fire and shrapnel.

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 '''Pros:'''
-* Armed with the gigantic 183 mm cannon
+* Armed with the gigantic 183 mm cannon, causes extremely large dopamine release.
 * 183 mm HESH will cause the spalling of enemy armour that is 228 mm thick or less. Devastating to even the most heavily armoured tanks
 * Large gun breech can potentially protect some of the turret crew from incoming fire and shrapnel.

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 During the development phase of the FV215B, another project was done on the [[Centurion Mk 3|Centurion]].<ref name="Ware pg80" /> Labeled the '''FV4005''', it was an attempt to mount the 180 mm on the Centurion hull. The design phase is distinctive in two parts, Stage I and II. Stage I had the gun mounted on an open-topped hull. The gun had a concentric recoil system and an auto-loader. '''Stage II''' had the gun encased in a lightly armoured, splinter-proof turret with a conventional recoil system and manual loading.<ref name="Ware pg78">Ware 2012a, p. 78</ref><ref name="Ware pg109">Ware 2012b, p. 109</ref>
-In December 1952, the 180 mm gun was increased into a 183 mm gun mounting. Though a single prototype was made for testing, the project never passed basic feasibility. In August 1957, the project was abandoned as well.<ref name="Ware pg78" /><ref name="Ware pg109" /> The lone prototype is currently stationed outside the Bovington Tank Museum.
+In December 1952, the 180 mm gun was increased into a 183 mm gun mounting. Though a single prototype was made for testing, the project never passed basic feasibility. In August 1957, the project was abandoned as well.<ref name="Ware pg78" /><ref name="Ware pg109" /> The lone prototype is currently at the Bovington Tank Museum, under restoration.
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 Following the debut of the [[IS-3]] in 1945 and amidst fears that the Soviet Union would continue developing increasingly heavy tanks, a requirement was drawn up in 1950 for a tank with a gun capable of defeating a 152 mm armour plate sloped at 60° from up to 2 km. However, it was quickly realised that even the most powerful Allied guns of the time, namely the 120 mm cannon of the [[Conqueror]] and the American 155 mm mounted to tanks such as the [[T30]], were not able to perform such a feat. Instead, a new 183 mm cannon was developed, firing HESH shells to allow both anti-armour and anti-fortification use. It was originally planned to mount the new gun on the same "Universal tank" hull as the Conqueror. However, this would take significant development, so it was decided to initially provide a stop-gap measure by utilising the hull of the [[Centurion (Family)|Centurion]], becoming the '''FV4005'''. The first prototype ("Stage I") mounted the gun in an open turret, featuring a concentric gun recoil system, mechanised loading assistance, and a recoil spade mounted on the rear of the chassis to allow the vehicle to dig in when firing. Following from this, '''"Stage II"''' featured a light but fully enclosed turret, doing away with the loading assist by providing space for an extra loader, as well as replacing the concentric recoil system with a new hydropneumatic version. However, the IS-3 and its developments did not materialise in as great numbers as was feared, and the project was officially cancelled in 1957.
-Introduced in [[Update 1.67 "Assault"]], the FV4005 Stage II is truly the epitome of a "glass cannon". With the largest-calibre conventional tank gun in the game at 183 mm, even glancing hits from its powerful HESH shells tend to result in significant damage to a target. Despite their size, the shells have decent muzzle velocity, making them relatively to range and aim. However, the size of the shell can also pose a challenge, being likely to glance off extraneous components such as the barrel, leading to minimal internal damage; coupled with the particularly long reload, extreme care is required when taking a shot. Traverse is also limited to ±45°, due to the strong recoil. While the gun is extremely effective, the same cannot be said for its mount. The Centurion chassis struggles under the weight of the gun, resulting in rather mediocre mobility, while the turret, only lightly armoured to compensate, can be defeated by even .50 cal rounds. The survivability is both helped and hindered by the tank's spacious nature: while it is a large, highly visible target, a single shot often is not enough to take out the dispersed crew (unless it detonates the large ammunition lining the turret's sides), allowing the vehicle to retreat and reposition.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.67 "Assault"]], the FV4005 Stage II is truly the epitome of a "glass cannon". With the largest-calibre conventional tank gun in the game at 183 mm, even glancing hits from its powerful HESH shells tend to result in significant damage to a target. Despite their size, the shells have decent muzzle velocity, making them relatively easy to range and aim. However, the size of the shell can also pose a challenge, being likely to glance off extraneous components such as the barrel, leading to minimal internal damage; coupled with the particularly long reload, extreme care is required when taking a shot. Traverse is also limited to ±45°, due to the strong recoil. While the gun is extremely effective, the same cannot be said for its mount. The Centurion chassis struggles under the weight of the gun, resulting in rather mediocre mobility, while the turret, only lightly armoured to compensate, can be defeated by even .50 cal rounds. The survivability is both helped and hindered by the tank's spacious nature: while it is a large, highly visible target, a single shot often is not enough to take out the dispersed crew (unless it detonates the large ammunition lining the turret's sides), allowing the vehicle to retreat and reposition.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.67 "Assault"]].
+Following the debut of the [[IS-3]] in 1945 and amidst fears that the Soviet Union would continue developing increasingly heavy tanks, a requirement was drawn up in 1950 for a tank with a gun capable of defeating a 152 mm armour plate sloped at 60° from up to 2 km. However, it was quickly realised that even the most powerful Allied guns of the time, namely the 120 mm cannon of the [[Conqueror]] and the American 155 mm mounted to tanks such as the [[T30]], were not able to perform such a feat. Instead, a new 183 mm cannon was developed, firing HESH shells to allow both anti-armour and anti-fortification use. It was originally planned to mount the new gun on the same "Universal tank" hull as the Conqueror. However, this would take significant development, so it was decided to initially provide a stop-gap measure by utilising the hull of the [[Centurion (Family)|Centurion]], becoming the '''FV4005'''. The first prototype ("Stage I") mounted the gun in an open turret, featuring a concentric gun recoil system, mechanised loading assistance, and a recoil spade mounted on the rear of the chassis to allow the vehicle to dig in when firing. Following from this, '''"Stage II"''' featured a light but fully enclosed turret, doing away with the loading assist by providing space for an extra loader, as well as replacing the concentric recoil system with a new hydropneumatic version. However, the IS-3 and its developments did not materialise in as great numbers as was feared, and the project was officially cancelled in 1957.
-The FV4005 holds the distinction of being among the largest conventional cannons available in War Thunder Ground Forces with its 183 mm calibre, as well as having a very long single-shell reload with a stock time of almost 40 seconds. It can only fire HESH (high-explosive squash head) shells and has a limited turret rotation of ±45°.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.67 "Assault"]], the FV4005 Stage II is truly the epitome of a "glass cannon". With the largest-calibre conventional tank gun in the game at 183 mm, even glancing hits from its powerful HESH shells tend to result in significant damage to a target. Despite their size, the shells have decent muzzle velocity, making them relatively to range and aim. However, the size of the shell can also pose a challenge, being likely to glance off extraneous components such as the barrel, leading to minimal internal damage; coupled with the particularly long reload, extreme care is required when taking a shot. Traverse is also limited to ±45°, due to the strong recoil. While the gun is extremely effective, the same cannot be said for its mount. The Centurion chassis struggles under the weight of the gun, resulting in rather mediocre mobility, while the turret, only lightly armoured to compensate, can be defeated by even .50 cal rounds. The survivability is both helped and hindered by the tank's spacious nature: while it is a large, highly visible target, a single shot often is not enough to take out the dispersed crew (unless it detonates the large ammunition lining the turret's sides), allowing the vehicle to retreat and reposition.
 == General info ==
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 {{main|QF L4A1 (183 mm)}}
 The FV4005 Stage II sports one of the largest cannons available in War Thunder Ground Forces, the 183 mm QF L4A1, with the second longest single-shell base reload time of any vehicle, at 38.9 seconds. The L4A1 is restricted to the use of HESH only, due to the weapon originally being envisaged as an anti-emplacement howitzer.
 HESH has slower fuse than HE and HEAT and won't detonate on most foliage, but it cannot penetrate more than one layer of armour, so it can be blocked by side skirts and, sometimes, even by chassis or machine guns. Despite problems with penetration of the countermeasures, HESH can be used to great effect against almost any possible target, provided shots are placed well - ideally on angled side armour, while ensuring the armour isn't angled enough to bounce and isn't protected by an additional layer.
 HESH could also be placed straight on top of the target crew compartment, as long as it is strong enough to break through the armour (generally, angled frontal armour is only built with kinetic shells and HE in mind) and isn't blocked by internal modules. In the case of the L1 shell, which the FV4005 uses, even the frontal hull armour of the [[Maus]] is not enough to sustain a direct hit.
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 Likewise, in Arcade mode, it's not enough to just eliminate crew in your turret, and your driver is hidden in the decently armoured hull. However, if your FV4005 is attacked by explosives from 105+ mm gun, it will likely be overpressurized and destroyed. If the gun breech is hit and damaged, there is also a chance that the shell inside will also be destroyed, and you won't be able to avenge yourself even if you manage to repair before a follow up shot.
-When firing at an enemy tank from its front, the shell will hit its barrel and only destroy the barrel and other external components, potentially not doing any damage whatsoever. This is a relatively common occurrence as the sheer size of the shell and the volumetric modelling in combination make the shrapnel and explosive force get absorbed by the external modules. To avoid this, aim for turret cheeks or a disabling shot on their upper plate which will kill the driver (and on German tanks, destroy the transmission) and stop them from advancing, especially in urban maps.
+When firing at an enemy tank from its front, the shell can hit its barrel and only destroy the barrel and other external components, potentially only doing minimal damage. This is a relatively common occurrence as the sheer size of the shell and the volumetric modelling in combination make the shrapnel and explosive force get absorbed by the external modules. To avoid this, aim for turret cheeks or a disabling shot on their upper plate which will kill the driver (and on German tanks, destroy the transmission) and stop them from advancing, especially in urban maps.
 The FV4005 will likely encounter a lot of German tanks. These include the [[Tiger II (P)]] and the [[Tiger II (H)]] most prominently. There are a few shots that are to be used. If you can see the rear or sides of the turret, shoot the tapered rear end to hit the primary ammunition storage, which will cook off. If the side of the turret is visible but the ammunition is not (i.e. if the Tiger is only partially peeking from cover), shoot the side of the turret, which will most likely kill the turret crew. From the front, the turret cheeks are the most viable shot, usually destroying the Tiger II in Ground Realistic Battles.
 Do not take shots at the side of the hull on most vehicles, unless it is a significantly unarmoured or small target, as the tracks and/or sideskirts will absorb the shell's damage. Cupola shots are a hit-and-miss, as on some tanks, volumetric will cause the shell to detonate on an external module as opposed to plain armour, negating most, if not all internal damage.
 HESH shells have a slow fuse, which does not react to literally every obstacle it hits, unlike with the HEAT or HE, sometimes allowing FV4005 to fire through some foliage, flimsy fences and the likes. While it does not look very useful at first, it can be especially beneficial in Arcade mode or in some specific sniper setup, as AB players are often extremely uncomfortable with firing without aim assist confirmation, which is easily prevented by obstacles such as a weak metal fence built around a capture point, while you can learn the gun ballistics and train yourself to fire by using distance indicators and tank profile (use "select" hotkey, which is by default set to mouse wheel, to see hostile tank overall size and position) instead, to surprise them and thus avoid return fire.

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 The FV4005 Stage II has essentially negligible armour, due to the gigantic turret providing only 14 mm of protection from any given angle. Due to this and the vehicle's crew being largely based in the turret, the FV4005 is extremely vulnerable to even .50 calibre machine guns, and any large calibre explosives can and will inflict overpressure damage on them, which is always fatal.
-The only redeeming trait in regards to survivability is that the crew may survive some side-on attacks due to the sheer size of the gun breech. Regardless, an FV4005 player should not count on surviving anything bar the lightest of machine gun fire.
+The only redeeming traits in regards to survivability are that the crew may survive some side-on attacks due to the sheer size of the gun breech, and that the sheer number of crew members in the turret means that the vehicle will remain alive. Regardless, an FV4005 player should not count on surviving anything bar the lightest of machine gun fire.
 '''Armour type:'''
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 Likewise, in Arcade mode, it's not enough to just eliminate crew in your turret, and your driver is hidden in the decently armoured hull. However, if your FV4005 is attacked by explosives from 105+ mm gun, it will likely be overpressurized and destroyed. If the gun breech is hit and damaged, there is also a chance that the shell inside will also be destroyed, and you won't be able to avenge yourself even if you manage to repair before a follow up shot.
 HESH shells have a slow fuse, which does not react to literally every obstacle it hits, unlike with the HEAT or HE, sometimes allowing FV4005 to fire through some foliage, flimsy fences and the likes. While it does not look very useful at first, it can be especially beneficial in Arcade mode or in some specific sniper setup, as AB players are often extremely uncomfortable with firing without aim assist confirmation, which is easily prevented by obstacles such as a weak metal fence built around a capture point, while you can learn the gun ballistics and train yourself to fire by using distance indicators and tank profile (use "select" hotkey, which is by default set to mouse wheel, to see hostile tank overall size and position) instead, to surprise them and thus avoid return fire.
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 * Large gun breech can potentially protect some of the turret crew from incoming fire and shrapnel.
 * The co-axial machine gun has a very similar trajectory to the 183 mm gun, making it ideal for ranging.
-* Has the hull of a centurion, it will block or deflect shots and explosions which missed the turret with modest efficiency
+* Has the hull of a Centurion, it will block or deflect shots and explosions which missed the turret with modest efficiency
 * L1 shell can damage the ground, but the tank reloads so slowly, that there has to be multiple of FV4005, or the match has to be stalled for quite long for them to do any strategically significant damage
 '''Cons:'''
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 During the development phase of the FV215B, another project was done on the [[Centurion Mk 3|Centurion]].<ref name="Ware pg80" /> Labeled the '''FV4005''', it was an attempt to mount the 180 mm on the Centurion hull. The design phase is distinctive in two parts, Stage I and II. Stage I had the gun mounted on an open-topped hull. The gun had a concentric recoil system and an auto-loader. '''Stage II''' had the gun encased in a lightly armoured, splinter-proof turret with a conventional recoil system and manual loading.<ref name="Ware pg78">Ware 2012a, p. 78</ref><ref name="Ware pg109">Ware 2012b, p. 109</ref>
-In December 1952, the 180 mm gun was increased into a 183 mm gun mounting. Though a single prototype was made for testing, the project never passed basic feasibility. In August 1957, the project was abandoned as well.<ref name="Ware pg78" /><ref name="Ware pg109" /> The lone prototype is currently stationed outside at Bovington Tank Museum.
+In December 1952, the 180 mm gun was increased into a 183 mm gun mounting. Though a single prototype was made for testing, the project never passed basic feasibility. In August 1957, the project was abandoned as well.<ref name="Ware pg78" /><ref name="Ware pg109" /> The lone prototype is currently stationed outside the Bovington Tank Museum.
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=uk_fv4005 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

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 ==== Ammunition ====
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+{{:QF L4A1 (183 mm)/Ammunition|Shell L1}}
 HESH round performance improves, within reason, when targets are angled. This is due to the squash head the rounds are tipped by - on larger angles the head will squash further and result in more internal damage. However, the improvements with angling are limited once the rounds reach their ricochet angles - past 73° of angling the rounds have a chance to bounce. As such it's best to limit rounds to less than 70° where possible.

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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=uk_fv4005 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 ;Videos
-{{Youtube-gallery|Akto0OJJEgI|'''{{PAGENAME}} Tank Review''' - ''NUSensei''|PosWOnOGkSo|'''Best experimental vehicles''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 6:37 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|PosWOnOGkSo|'''Best experimental vehicles''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 6:37 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''}}
 == See also ==