F-86F-2 - Revision history

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Updated description to new format

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‎Engine performance

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U97916902: /* 20mm T-160 Revolver Cannons */

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‎20mm T-160 Revolver Cannons

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‎Suspended armament

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‎Pros and cons

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 == Description ==
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-One of the many complaints from pilots flying the machine gun armed F-86 Sabre was the lack of the hard-hitting punch delivered by cannons. MiG-15s would routinely be hit by machine gun rounds only to shrug it off. Ten F-86s were selected to utilize the T-160 20-mm cannon. They had an impressive fire rate of 1,500 rounds per minute which was both a blessing and a curse. The T-160s had an abysmal amount of trigger time but the high fire rate could also easily take down planes with a tiny burst if aimed properly. Later named Project Gunval, tests continued and no problems were discovered until combat. Eight Gunvals were transferred to Korea and Gunval pilots soon discovered a giant issue. The gas from firing the cannons would be ingested through the air intake and cause engine flameouts. The Gunval Sabres were grounded shortly after until the problem was remedied. The cannon-armed Sabre idea would live on in the F-86H in the form of M39 cannons.
+One of the many complaints from pilots flying the machine gun-armed F-86 Sabre was the lack of the hard-hitting punch delivered by cannons. MiG-15s would routinely be hit by machine gun rounds only to shrug it off. Ten F-86s were selected to utilize the T-160 20 mm cannon. They had an impressive fire rate of 1,500 rounds per minute which was both a blessing and a curse. The T-160s had an abysmal amount of trigger time but the high fire rate could also easily take down planes with a tiny burst if aimed properly. Later named Project Gunval, tests continued and no problems were discovered until combat. Eight Gunvals were transferred to Korea and Gunval pilots soon discovered a giant issue. The gas from firing the cannons would be ingested through the air intake and cause engine flameouts. The Gunval Sabres were grounded shortly after until the problem was remedied. The cannon-armed Sabre idea would live on in the F-86H in the form of M39 cannons.
 Introduced in [[Update 1.35]], the '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a sleek jet fighter with very potent armament. The four T-160 cannons mounted in the nose are extremely effective against enemy aircraft. Even a short burst will be enough to quickly take down a fighter but comes with a caveat; the high fire rate also means the cannons eat through ammunition extremely quickly. The F-86F-2 has only 115 rounds per gun which is not much since the T-160 cannon has a fire rate of 1,500 rounds per minute.
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 ==== 20 mm T-160 Revolver Cannons ====
-The plane's biggest strength and its specialty are the four 20 mm T-160 revolver cannons it carries. If you weren’t a fan of Sabres due to its Browning machine guns, know that these guns completely change the feel of the plane. That is because these guns are arguably the best aircraft cannon found at 9.0, boasting extremely high velocity, great damage and great fire rate. On top of that, the Sabre’s airframe makes aiming and leading these excellent guns very easy. None of the F-2 Sabre’s contemporaries can boast such a powerful and easy to utilize gun platform. What this means is that the F-2 Sabre is an excellent plane for punishing other players' mistakes, no matter how small, as just one very quick burst from these guns will devastate most aircraft.
+The plane's biggest strength and its specialty are the four 20 mm T-160 revolver cannons it carries. If you weren't a fan of Sabres due to its Browning machine guns, know that these guns completely change the feel of the plane. That is because these guns are arguably the best aircraft cannon found at 9.0, boasting extremely high velocity, great damage and great fire rate. On top of that, the Sabre's airframe makes aiming and leading these excellent guns very easy. None of the F-2 Sabre's contemporaries can boast such a powerful and easy to utilize gun platform. What this means is that the F-2 Sabre is an excellent plane for punishing other players' mistakes, no matter how small, as just one very quick burst from these guns will devastate most aircraft.
-However, there are two downsides about these cannons. The first is that each 20 mm cannon only has 115 rounds of ammo, and with its very fast rate of fire, this ammo capacity will be gone very quickly. The second is that they overheat very quickly; even with the “New 20 mm Cannons” modification, just two to three seconds of sustained firing will cause them to jam. These downsides mean that these cannons demand heavy trigger patience. If you're struggling with ammo conservation, focus on lining up your shots and firing a short burst of 10-15 rounds accurately at a target rather than hosing half your ammo load for a small chance of a critical hit. Something to note is that, to conserve ammo, one may choose to only fire two of the cannons at once (as one set of cannons are considered “machine guns” and the others cannons, they can be selected separately by using weapons selection mode). While the firepower is halved, it is still generally enough to cripple most aircraft with a short burst, so if you find yourself low on ammo and needing more firing time, only firing two cannons at once may be the trick.
+However, there are two downsides about these cannons. The first is that each 20 mm cannon only has 115 rounds of ammo, and with its very fast rate of fire, this ammo capacity will be gone very quickly. The second is that they overheat very quickly; even with the "New 20 mm Cannons" modification, just two to three seconds of sustained firing will cause them to jam. These downsides mean that these cannons demand heavy trigger patience. If you're struggling with ammo conservation, focus on lining up your shots and firing a short burst of 10-15 rounds accurately at a target rather than hosing half your ammo load for a small chance of a critical hit. Something to note is that, to conserve ammo, one may choose to only fire two of the cannons at once (as one set of cannons are considered "machine guns" and the others cannons, they can be selected separately by using weapons selection mode). While the firepower is halved, it is still generally enough to cripple most aircraft with a short burst, so if you find yourself low on ammo and needing more firing time, only firing two cannons at once may be the trick.
-Compared to the M3 Browning machine guns that it replaces, the 20 mm T-160 cannons similarly have high velocity and accuracy, and somewhat similar fire rates (the T-160’s is 25% faster than the M3’s). On the other hand, the rest of their characteristics are complete opposites; the T-160 completely gives up the large ammunition capacity and long overheating time of the M3 Browning for greatly increased explosive firepower.
+Compared to the M3 Browning machine guns that it replaces, the 20 mm T-160 cannons similarly have high velocity and accuracy, and somewhat similar fire rates (the T-160's is 25% faster than the M3's). On the other hand, the rest of their characteristics are complete opposites; the T-160 completely gives up the large ammunition capacity and long overheating time of the M3 Browning for greatly increased explosive firepower.
 Overall, these guns are excellent, and as long as you have good trigger discipline, they will be very kind to you.
 ===== Air Realistic Battles =====
-In Air RB, speed is life, and doubly so for sabres. First thing that should be done after takeoff is gaining at least 1,000 km/h IAS in level flight and assessing the match. If in a downtier, staying on the deck is advisable as you will be one of the fastest planes in the battle. Focus on anyone who can match or exceed your speed and then move on to everyone else once there are no other threats. In an uptier, gain 1-2 km of altitude and play an assassin type role. Make it your mission to kill out of position players while using the threat of your cannon’s knock-out potential to dissuade enemies from attacking you and nearby teammates. Maintaining a decent amount of speed is very important because of the Sabre's comparatively poor handling at lower speed compared to MiGs, G.91s, and the like. While you can certainly effectively dogfight in the Sabre, in furballs you can easily get ganged up on and destroyed, so attempt to avoid doing so unless necessary.
+In Air RB, speed is life, and doubly so for sabres. First thing that should be done after takeoff is gaining at least 1,000 km/h IAS in level flight and assessing the match. If in a downtier, staying on the deck is advisable as you will be one of the fastest planes in the battle. Focus on anyone who can match or exceed your speed and then move on to everyone else once there are no other threats. In an uptier, gain 1-2 km of altitude and play an assassin type role. Make it your mission to kill out of position players while using the threat of your cannon's knock-out potential to dissuade enemies from attacking you and nearby teammates. Maintaining a decent amount of speed is very important because of the Sabre's comparatively poor handling at lower speed compared to MiGs, G.91s, and the like. While you can certainly effectively dogfight in the Sabre, in furballs you can easily get ganged up on and destroyed, so attempt to avoid doing so unless necessary.
 F-2 pilots should always be on the offensive whenever possible to take advantage of the plane's huge impact on the battlefield. By continually maintaining a high energy state, eliminating out of position targets, the F-2 can dominate entire lobbies even in full uptiers.

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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} American jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.35]]. This F-86F has one distinct difference from other Sabres: it replaces its six M3 Browning machine guns with four 20 mm T-160 revolver cannons. These cannons are extremely powerful, and pilots can utilize them along with the excellent aiming and dogfighting characteristics of the Sabre’s airframe to take this seemingly plain aircraft and dominate even in uptiers.
+One of the many complaints from pilots flying the machine gun armed F-86 Sabre was the lack of the hard-hitting punch delivered by cannons. MiG-15s would routinely be hit by machine gun rounds only to shrug it off. Ten F-86s were selected to utilize the T-160 20-mm cannon. They had an impressive fire rate of 1,500 rounds per minute which was both a blessing and a curse. The T-160s had an abysmal amount of trigger time but the high fire rate could also easily take down planes with a tiny burst if aimed properly. Later named Project Gunval, tests continued and no problems were discovered until combat. Eight Gunvals were transferred to Korea and Gunval pilots soon discovered a giant issue. The gas from firing the cannons would be ingested through the air intake and cause engine flameouts. The Gunval Sabres were grounded shortly after until the problem was remedied. The cannon-armed Sabre idea would live on in the F-86H in the form of M39 cannons.
 == General info ==

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-| ''Optimal'' || 2,626 kgf<br />(0 km/h) || N/A
+| ''Optimal'' || 2,704 kgf<br />(1,106 km/h) || N/A
-| 0.44 || 0.40 || 0.38 || 0.28
+| 0.46 || 0.41 || 0.39 || 0.28
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-|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
+|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} American jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.35]]. This F-86F has one distinct difference from other Sabres: it replaces it’s six M3 Browning machine guns with four 20mm T-160 revolver cannons. These cannons are extremely powerful, and pilots can utilize them along with the excellent aiming and dogfighting characteristics of the Sabre’s airframe to take this seemingly plain aircraft and dominate even in uptiers.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} American jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.35]]. This F-86F has one distinct difference from other Sabres: it replaces its six M3 Browning machine guns with four 20 mm T-160 revolver cannons. These cannons are extremely powerful, and pilots can utilize them along with the excellent aiming and dogfighting characteristics of the Sabre’s airframe to take this seemingly plain aircraft and dominate even in uptiers.
 == General info ==
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 ! colspan="2" | Empty mass || colspan="2" | Wing loading (full fuel)
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-| colspan="2" | General Electric J47-GE-27 ||  1
+| colspan="2" | General Electric J47-GE-27 || 1
 | colspan="2" | 5,570 kg || colspan="2" | 243 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
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 == Usage in battles ==
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-==== 20mm T-160 Revolver Cannons ====
+==== 20 mm T-160 Revolver Cannons ====
-The plane's biggest strength and its specialty are the four 20mm T-160 revolver cannons it carries. If you weren’t a fan of Sabres due to it’s Browning machine guns, know that these guns completely change the feel of the plane. That is because these guns are arguably the best aircraft cannon found at 9.0, boasting extremely high velocity, great damage and great fire rate. On top of that, the Sabre’s airframe makes aiming and leading these excellent guns very easy. None of the F-2 Sabre’s contemporaries can boast such a powerful and easy to utilize gun platform. What this means is that the F-2 Sabre is an excellent plane for punishing other players' mistakes, no matter how small, as just one very quick burst from these guns will devastate most aircraft.
+The plane's biggest strength and its specialty are the four 20 mm T-160 revolver cannons it carries. If you weren’t a fan of Sabres due to its Browning machine guns, know that these guns completely change the feel of the plane. That is because these guns are arguably the best aircraft cannon found at 9.0, boasting extremely high velocity, great damage and great fire rate. On top of that, the Sabre’s airframe makes aiming and leading these excellent guns very easy. None of the F-2 Sabre’s contemporaries can boast such a powerful and easy to utilize gun platform. What this means is that the F-2 Sabre is an excellent plane for punishing other players' mistakes, no matter how small, as just one very quick burst from these guns will devastate most aircraft.
-However, there are two downsides about these cannons. The first is that each 20mm cannon only has 115 rounds of ammo, and with it’s very fast fire rate, this ammo capacity will be gone very quickly. The second is that they overheat very quickly; even with the “New 20mm Cannons” modification, just two to three seconds of sustained firing will cause them to jam. These downsides mean that these cannons demand heavy trigger patience. If you're struggling with ammo conservation, focus on lining up your shots and firing a short burst of 10-15 rounds accurately at a target rather than hosing half your ammo load for a small chance of a critical hit. Something to note is that, to conserve ammo, one may choose to only fire two of the cannons at once (as one set of cannons are considered “machine guns” and the others cannons, they can be selected separately by using weapons selection mode). While the firepower is halved, it is still generally enough to cripple most aircraft with a short burst, so if you find yourself low on ammo and needing more firing time, only firing two cannons at once may be the trick.
+However, there are two downsides about these cannons. The first is that each 20 mm cannon only has 115 rounds of ammo, and with its very fast rate of fire, this ammo capacity will be gone very quickly. The second is that they overheat very quickly; even with the “New 20 mm Cannons” modification, just two to three seconds of sustained firing will cause them to jam. These downsides mean that these cannons demand heavy trigger patience. If you're struggling with ammo conservation, focus on lining up your shots and firing a short burst of 10-15 rounds accurately at a target rather than hosing half your ammo load for a small chance of a critical hit. Something to note is that, to conserve ammo, one may choose to only fire two of the cannons at once (as one set of cannons are considered “machine guns” and the others cannons, they can be selected separately by using weapons selection mode). While the firepower is halved, it is still generally enough to cripple most aircraft with a short burst, so if you find yourself low on ammo and needing more firing time, only firing two cannons at once may be the trick.
-Compared to the M3 Browning machine guns that it replaces, the 20mm T-160 cannons similarly have high velocity and accuracy, and somewhat similar fire rates (the T-160’s is 25% faster than the M3’s). On the other hand, the rest of their characteristics are complete opposites; the T-160 completely gives up the large ammunition capacity and long overheating time of the M3 Browning for greatly increased explosive firepower.
+Compared to the M3 Browning machine guns that it replaces, the 20 mm T-160 cannons similarly have high velocity and accuracy, and somewhat similar fire rates (the T-160’s is 25% faster than the M3’s). On the other hand, the rest of their characteristics are complete opposites; the T-160 completely gives up the large ammunition capacity and long overheating time of the M3 Browning for greatly increased explosive firepower.
 Overall, these guns are excellent, and as long as you have good trigger discipline, they will be very kind to you.
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 * Average top speed
 * Below average acceleration
 * Guns are inaccurate when stock
 * Guns jam very quickly under sustained fire and have a low ammunition capacity of only 115 rpg; heavy trigger discipline is essential

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-{{main|AN-M65A1 Fin M129 (1,000 lb)|HVAR}}
+{{main|M117 cone 45 (750 lb)|AN-M65A1 Fin M129 (1,000 lb)|HVAR}}
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
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 * Without load
 * 16 x HVAR rockets
 * 2 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs (2,000 lb total)

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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} American jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.35]].
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} American jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.35]]. This F-86F has one distinct difference from other Sabres: it replaces it’s six M3 Browning machine guns with four 20mm T-160 revolver cannons. These cannons are extremely powerful, and pilots can utilize them along with the excellent aiming and dogfighting characteristics of the Sabre’s airframe to take this seemingly plain aircraft and dominate, even in uptiers.
 == General info ==
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-In Jet RB, speed is life, and doubly so for sabres. First thing that should be done after takeoff is gaining at least 1,000 km/h IAS in level flight and assessing the match. If in a downtier, staying on the deck is advisable as you will be one of the fastest planes in the battle. Focus on anyone who can match or exceed your speed and then move on to everyone else once there are no other threats. In an uptier, gain 1-2 km of altitude and play an assassin type role. Make it your mission to kill out of position players while using the threat of your knock-out potential to dissuade enemies from attacking you and nearby teammates. Maintaining at least 800 km/h is very important because of the Sabre's comparatively poor handling at lower speed compared to MiGs, G.91s, and the like. High speed passes are the main tactic, avoid prolonged dogfights which bleed your speed unless absolutely necessary, as the plane's mid to low speed handling and terrible acceleration leaves something to be desired against some of its more nimble opposition.
+==== 20mm T-160 Revolver Cannons ====
-The plane's biggest strength and its specialty are the four T-160 revolver cannons it carries. These guns are simply the best in their class, and none of the F-2's contemporaries can boast such a powerful and easy to utilize gun platform. What this means is that the F-2 is an excellent aircraft for punishing other players' mistakes, no matter how small. One note about the guns is that the extreme fire rate demands trigger patience. If you're struggling with ammo conservation, focus on lining up your shots and firing 10-15 rounds accurately at a target rather than hosing half your ammo load for the chance at a crit. The guns will be kind to you if you use them properly. F-2 pilots should always be on the offensive whenever possible to take advantage of the plane's huge impact on the battlefield. By continually maintaining a high energy state and eliminating out of position targets, the F-2 can dominate entire lobbies even in full uptiers.
+However, there are two downsides about these cannons. The first is that each 20mm cannon only has 115 rounds of ammo, and with it’s very fast fire rate, this ammo capacity will be gone very quickly. The second is that they overheats very quickly; even with the “New 20mm Cannons” modification, just two to three seconds of sustained firing will cause them to jam. These downsides mean that these cannons demand heavy trigger patience. If you're struggling with ammo conservation, focus on lining up your shots and firing a short burst of 10-15 rounds accurately at a target rather than hosing half your ammo load for a small chance of a crit.
 === Radars ===
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 * Excellent roll rate
-* Excellent and accurate high-velocity cannons with huge fire density
+* Excellent and accurate high-velocity cannons with great damage
-* Excels at high-speed manoeuvres, good for snapshots
+* Excels at high-speed manoeuvres, great for snapshots
 * Good horizontal turn rate
 * Good Boom and Zoom ability
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 * Average top speed
 * Below average acceleration
-* With a short firing time of 4.62 seconds total, the guns require heavy trigger discipline
-* The guns are inaccurate when stock
+* Guns are inaccurate when stock
-* The guns jam very quickly under sustained fire, especially when stock
+* Guns jam very quickly under sustained fire, and with a low ammunition capacity of only 115 rpg, heavy trigger discipline is essential
 == History ==
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=f-86f-2 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era
 * Grumman [[F9F-8|F9F]] Cougar
 * Lavochkin [[La-15]]