F-5E (China) - Revision history

U44629479: Edits

2024-09-27T17:02:18Z

Edits

U4656018: /* Usage in battles */ alternations to current patches with notes to gun ballistic computer and vehicle additions

2024-08-23T20:31:33Z

‎Usage in battles: alternations to current patches with notes to gun ballistic computer and vehicle additions

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */ Updated

2024-06-19T19:54:49Z

‎Suspended armament: Updated

U38088265: /* Flight performance */

2024-05-23T07:48:20Z

‎Flight performance

U38088265: /* Armaments */ Updated

2023-12-18T18:02:18Z

‎Armaments: Updated

U44629479: Edits

2023-07-04T11:39:13Z

Edits

U4656018: Revised description

2023-07-02T21:30:45Z

Revised description

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */ Updated

2023-06-17T21:05:33Z

‎Suspended armament: Updated

U64962917: /* External links */ Added link to F-5E/F Flight Manual

2022-08-12T02:06:27Z

‎External links: Added link to F-5E/F Flight Manual

U28580205 at 02:01, 19 July 2022

2022-07-19T02:01:47Z

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 Since AIDC received different batches of F-5E/Fs through the two decades of assembling, their airframe naming can be confusing (K, Ba, C, Pseudo-C); but in this case, this is the C structure which is totally identical to its [[F-5E|American counterpart]]. With a pair of GE J85-G-21A and a light yet surprisingly sturdy airframe, although the overall acceleration is nowhere comparable to jets at its tier, but the revised airframe did help F-5E making manoeuvres easier thanks to its above-average manoeuvrability. Those who are stalling or used up their energy will meet their miserable end very quickly.
-While some players take it as a deliciated jet fighter against aerial targets, as a multi-role lightweight fighter, the overall payload is surprisingly high thanks to the composite materials used on its wing; bringing either lightweight bombs or devastating heavy bombs are among its options; do keep in mind that this turns F-5E into a slow bomb truck which can be shot down with relatively ease, so avoid enemies before delivering the payloads.
+While some players take it as a dedicated jet fighter against aerial targets, as a multi-role lightweight fighter, the overall payload is surprisingly high thanks to the composite materials used on its wing; bringing either lightweight bombs or devastating heavy bombs are among its options; do keep in mind that this turns F-5E into a slow bomb truck which can be shot down with relatively ease, so avoid enemies before delivering the payloads.
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-Like its tech tree predecessor and its American counterpart, F-5E was designed to be a lightweight and inexpensive option for countries with tight budgets. This version of ROCAF's F-5E is identical to US ones with new avionics and engines to retain its combat capability against possible enemies. While this might sound good at first glance, players have to consider for a major problem- the waves of SARH/ARH capable jets at 11.0; you will either face waves of [[AIM-7E-2 Sparrow|Sparrows]] or even worse, waves of [[AIM-54A Phoenix|Phoenixes]] from [[F-14A Early|F-14A]]; for lightweight jets exactly like F-5E,  facing such missiles alongside their carriers will be the ultimate nightmare to deal with. Players have to survive the first wave of head-on attacks at the first place in order to take revenge on enemy targets. Although only a pair of AIM-9P and M39A2 cannons are available for air-to-air missions, if used at the right moment ie. a careless or slow enemy, 2 missiles are more than enough to score some hits. If it has to join a dogfight, the high ammo count at its tier can give trigger-happy players more opportunity to shoot down enemy aircraft, even multiple targets if aimed properly. But do note that a pair J85-GE-21A still aren't something with high thrust, any severe energy loss gives players very little chance to even regain the speed, making it easier to be shot at.
+Like its tech tree predecessor and its American counterpart, F-5E was designed to be a lightweight and inexpensive option for countries with tight budgets. This version of ROCAF's F-5E is identical to US ones with new avionics and engines to retain its combat capability against possible enemies. While this might sound good at first glance, players have to consider for a major problem- the waves of SARH/ARH capable jets at 11.0; you will either face waves of [[AIM-7E-2 Sparrow|Sparrows]] or even worse, waves of [[AIM-54A Phoenix|Phoenixes]] from [[F-14A Early|F-14A]]; for lightweight jets exactly like F-5E, facing such missiles alongside their carriers will be the ultimate nightmare to deal with. Players have to survive the first wave of head-on attacks at the first place in order to take revenge on enemy targets. Although only a pair of AIM-9P and M39A2 cannons are available for air-to-air missions, if used at the right moment ie. a careless or slow enemy, 2 missiles are more than enough to score some hits. If it has to join a dogfight, the high ammo count at its tier can give trigger-happy players more opportunity to shoot down enemy aircraft, even multiple targets if aimed properly. But do note that a pair J85-GE-21A still aren't something with high thrust, any severe energy loss gives players very little chance to even regain the speed, making it easier to be shot at.
-If CAS is your cup of tea, F-5E has a great variety of ordnance ranging from napalm bombs, general purpose bombs, Zuni rockets, as well as 2 pairs of AGM-65B. It can be said that F-5E is the long-awaited CAS aircraft for the Chinese tech tree ''<small>(note: PLAAF only had AGMs in service after the introduction of Su-30MKK Flanker-H in early 2000s)</small>'' . For a less risky approach, use the Mavericks to take out MBTs or menacing SPAAGs, its explosive content and penetration is more than enough to take out any unnoticed ground targets. Since Mavericks used IR/TV tracker in this case, some players sought it as a surprise way to shoot down hovering helicopters from safe distance and altitude. While bombs and rocket pods are available as well, due to the lack of equipment, F-5E still doesn't have any form of ballistic computer. Players should enter the battlefield below 600 m and at around 700 km/h then dive upon the target at 30°, then drop the payloads and pullup for a run; while rockets requires higher altitude for the dive, so use them with extreme caution and practice the trajectory for precise hits. Napalm can also be useful in some way for the nature that it could burn plants and open-top vehicles, but its aesthetic use is much greater than its practical use, i.e. blinding TVD modules on vehicles or equipment with its extreme heat.
+If CAS is your cup of tea, F-5E has a great variety of ordnance ranging from napalm bombs, general purpose bombs, Zuni rockets, as well as 2 pairs of AGM-65B. It can be said that F-5E has been one of the most-selected CAS aircraft for the Chinese tech tree until the introduction of [[Q-5L]] with LGBs or JH-7A with a pair of [[Kh-29T|Kh-29Ts]] ''<small>(editor's note: the lack of PLAAF jet with ATGM has been continued for 2 years until Kings of Battle on December 2023)</small>''. For a less risky approach, use the Mavericks to take out MBTs or menacing SPAAGs, its explosive content and penetration is more than enough to take out any unnoticed ground targets. Since Mavericks used IR/TV tracker in this case, some players sought it as a surprise way to shoot down hovering helicopters from safe distance and altitude. While bombs and rocket pods are available as well, while the HUD provides a gun ballistic computer, this is not the case for A2G weapons. Players should enter the battlefield below 600 m and at around 700 km/h then dive upon the target at 30°, then drop the payloads and pullup for a run; while rockets requires higher altitude for the dive, so use them with extreme caution and practice the trajectory for precise hits. Napalm can also be useful in some way for the nature that it could burn plants and open-top vehicles, but its aesthetic use is much greater than its practical use, i.e. blinding TVD modules on vehicles or equipment with its extreme heat.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 '''Cons:'''
-* No ballistic computer of any form
+* Only gun ballistic computer is available, not for rockets/bombs
-* Low top speed at its rank
+* Low top speed at its rank and lacks the thrust to escape from danger
 * The only A2A option is the pair of guns and two AIM-9Ps at most
 * Small countermeasures capacity, less than the F-5A

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 ! colspan="5" | [[Ballistic Computer]]
 |-
-! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs) !! Lead indicator
+! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs) !! EEGS
 |-
 | {{Tick}} || {{Cross}} || {{Cross}} || {{Cross}} || {{Tick}}
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 * 2 x 20 mm M39A3 cannons, nose-mounted (280 rpg = 560 total)
-* 45 x countermeasures
+* 10 x large calibre countermeasures
 === Suspended armament ===
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-| rowspan="12" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_{{PAGENAME}}.png]]</div>
+| rowspan="13" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_{{PAGENAME}}.png]]</div>
 |-
 ! [[GAU-13/A (30 mm)|30 mm GAU-13/A]] cannons (353 rpg)
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 ! [[AIM-9P Sidewinder]] missiles
 | 1 || || || || || || 1
 |-
 |}
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 {{Navigation-First-Simple-Line}}
-* Without load
+* 3 x 150 gal drop tanks
 * 2 x AIM-9P Sidewinder missiles
 * 1 x 30 mm GAU-13/A cannon (353 rpg)

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 ! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 |-
-| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 1,018 || 740 || 463 || ~11 || ~5
+| 1,458 <!-- {{Specs|destruction|body}} --> || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 1,018 || 470 || 463 || ~11 || ~5
 |-
 |}
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 ! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
 |-
-| < 680 || < 750 || < 700 || N/A
+| < 680 || < 750 || < 700 || -
 |-
 |}

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 == Armaments ==
 {{Specs-Avia-Armaments}}
 === Offensive armament ===
 {{Specs-Avia-Offensive}}
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 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
-* A choice between two presets:
+* 2 x 20 mm M39A3 cannons, nose-mounted (280 rpg = 560 total)
-** 2 x 20 mm M39A3 cannons, nose-mounted (280 rpg = 560 total)
+* 45 x countermeasures
 === Suspended armament ===

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}'''(Commonly referred as the  F-5E老虎II式戰機) represented the few remaining F-5E in ROCAF service since 1980s as part of their plan to enhance the combat capabilities against the growing PLAAF. Before the plans to introduce F-4 series failed as the result of better Sino (Mainland China)- US relationship, the Nationalist government signed contracts with Northrop to assemble F-5E/F on Taiwan Island in 1973 to replace the some of the previous F-86F/F-100 fleet under their Project Tiger Peace (虎安計劃). After the 6 batches of these aircraft have assembled and the plans to upgrade them perished by early 2000s, they have been one of the cornerstone of ROCAF until 2020s when 2 fatal incidents boosted their decommission from the remaining fighter wing of ROCAF where the performance of them are hopeless against the now-modernized PLAAF, as well as the inferior ejection systems that costed 4 lives in these 2 incidents; the remaining (R)F-5E are waiting for the new T-BE-5A Brave Eagle AJT to replace them by mid-2020s.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}'''(commonly referred as the  F-5E老虎II式戰機) represented the few remaining F-5E in ROCAF service since 1980s as part of their plan to enhance the combat capabilities against the growing PLAAF. Before the plans to introduce the F-4 series failed as the result of a better Sino (Mainland China)- US relationship, the Nationalist government signed contracts with Northrop to assemble the F-5E/F on Taiwan Island in 1973 to replace the some of the previous F-86F/F-100 fleet under their Project Tiger Peace (虎安計劃). After 6 batches of these aircraft were assembled and the plans to upgrade them perished by early 2000s, they have been one of the cornerstone of ROCAF until 2020s when 2 fatal incidents accelerated their decommission from the remaining fighter wing of ROCAF where their performance is hopeless against the now-modernized PLAAF, as well as the inferior ejection systems that costed 4 lives in these 2 incidents; the remaining (R)F-5E are waiting for the new T-BE-5A Brave Eagle AJT to replace them by mid-2020s.
-Introduced in [[Update "Danger Zone"]] alongside with its [[F-5E|American counterpart]], the F-5E series in ROCAF service were mostly asembled by the local institute/company of AIDC (aka 漢翔) as the alternative for ROCAF's perished dream of a fleet of F-4Es and strengthening their military force: this variant of F-5E has the same capabilities of the original US built-ones, with hard hitting AAMs/AGMs as well as varieties of payload from rocket pods up to 2,000 lb bombs, making F-5E the saviour of the ground forces as a retaliation against both ground and aerial targets who pose a threat to the team. Although it is not as dominant in air combat as the PLAAF [[J-7E]], the F-5E's ability to carry four AGM-65 Maverick missiles makes it a uniquely valuable aircraft in the Chinese tech tree for precision standoff CAS.
+Introduced in [[Update "Danger Zone"]] alongside with its [[F-5E|American counterpart]], the F-5E series in ROCAF service were mostly assembled by the local institute/company of AIDC (aka 漢翔) as the alternative for ROCAF's perished dream of a fleet of F-4Es and strengthening their military force: this variant of F-5E has the same capabilities of the original US built-ones, with hard hitting AAMs/AGMs as well as a variety of loadouts from rocket pods up to 2,000 lb bombs, making the F-5E the saviour of the ground forces as a retaliation against both ground and aerial targets who pose a threat to the team. Although it is not as dominant in air combat as the PLAAF [[J-7E]], the F-5E's ability to carry four AGM-65 Maverick missiles makes it a uniquely valuable aircraft in the Chinese tech tree for precision standoff CAS.
 == General info ==

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 {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
-The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance presets:
+The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
-* Without load
+{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
 |-
 ! !! width="6%" | 1 !! width="6%" | 2 !! width="6%" | 3 !! width="6%" | 4 !! width="6%" | 5 !! width="6%" | 6 !! width="6%" | 7
-| rowspan="11" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_{{PAGENAME}}.png]]</div>
+| rowspan="12" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_{{PAGENAME}}.png]]</div>
 |-
-! 30 mm GAU-13/A cannons (353 rpg)
+! [[GAU-13/A (30 mm)|30 mm GAU-13/A]] cannons (353 rpg)
 | || || || 1 || || ||
 |-
-! 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs
+! [[LDGP Mk 82 (500 lb)|500 lb LDGP Mk 82]] bombs
 | || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
 |-
-! 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs
+! [[M117 cone 45 (750 lb)|750 lb M117 cone 45]] bombs
 | || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
 |-
-! 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs
+! [[LDGP Mk 83 (1,000 lb)|1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83]] bombs
 | || || 1 || 1 || 1 || ||
 |-
-! 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bombs
+! [[LDGP Mk 84 (2,000 lb)|2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84]] bombs
 | || || || 1 || || ||
 |-
-! BLU-1 incendiary bombs
+! [[BLU-1 incendiary]] bombs
 | || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
 |-
-! FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
+! [[FFAR Mighty Mouse]] rockets
 | || 19 || 19 || || 19 || 19 ||
 |-
-! Zuni Mk32 Mod 0 ATAP rockets
+! [[Zuni Mk32 Mod 0 ATAP]] rockets
 | || 4 || || || || 4 ||
 |-
-! AGM-65B missiles
+! [[AGM-65B]] missiles
 | || 1 || 1 || || 1 || 1 ||
 |-
-! AIM-9P Sidewinder missiles
+! [[AIM-9P Sidewinder]] missiles
 | 1 || || || || || || 1
 |-
 |}
 == Usage in battles ==

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 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.'' -->
 === References ===