F-5E - Revision history

U84733411: Trimmed down the section about the countermeasures to bring it more up to date, since countermeasure presets no longer exist.

2024-08-31T22:57:09Z

Trimmed down the section about the countermeasures to bring it more up to date, since countermeasure presets no longer exist.

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */ Updated

2024-06-19T19:53:45Z

‎Suspended armament: Updated

U42773747: /* Pros and cons */ i feel like the pro/con on this plane do not really explain properly why pro's are pro's and cons are cons, since this plane has a lot of tech from the next rank, so upwrote it a bit.

2024-06-04T20:12:12Z

‎Pros and cons: i feel like the pro/con on this plane do not really explain properly why pro's are pro's and cons are cons, since this plane has a lot of tech from the next rank, so upwrote it a bit.

U38088265: /* Flight performance */

2024-05-23T07:47:36Z

‎Flight performance

U44629479: Edits

2024-04-08T15:30:25Z

Edits

U165964580: /* See also */

2024-04-08T15:16:44Z

‎See also

U28580205: /* Survivability and armour */

2024-04-06T19:59:11Z

‎Survivability and armour

U84733411: I've actually been able to tank a single infrared missile in multiple matches while in the F-5E and remain in a controllable state. Also, added details about the F-5E's countermeasures, & restructured some sentences slightly.

2024-04-04T05:41:02Z

I've actually been able to tank a single infrared missile in multiple matches while in the F-5E and remain in a controllable state. Also, added details about the F-5E's countermeasures, & restructured some sentences slightly.

U56862421: /* Pros and cons */

2024-03-08T18:05:23Z

‎Pros and cons

U44629479: Edits

2024-01-31T01:30:51Z

Edits

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 The F-5E is a light fighter, so as such it lacks any kind armour. If it loses its wing or tail it becomes incredibly difficult to fly. Surprisingly though, it can take a significant amount of punishment for its size. It can often survive a few hits from 20 and 23 mm cannons, and in the right circumstances, even tank a single infrared missile, though in the latter case it will likely still leave you critically damaged, such as being down an engine and / or missing one or multiple control surfaces. Despite the razorback-like hump of the fuselage being loaded with fuel tanks, fires are uncommon unless a direct hit to one of the engines occurs.
-Flaring off incoming infrared missiles is very easy with the F-5E due to the low operating temperature of the engines even at full WEP to the point it's unnecessary, and maybe even wasteful to use the ''Flares Reinforced'' or ''Flare Priority'' setup for the countermeasures. While the E model only carries 45 countermeasures compared to the 60 on the A & C, they deploy one at a time and straight down, instead of deploying two at a time and completely rearwards, meaning your effective total is greater than the earlier F-5s, as well as being better at guiding infrareds away from you, ''except'' at ultra-low altitudes where the countermeasures may hit the ground.
+Flaring off incoming infrared missiles is very easy with the F-5E due to the low operating temperature of the engines even at full WEP, a trait shared with all the F-5 variants. While the E model only carries 45 countermeasures compared to the 60 on the A & C, they deploy one at a time and straight down, instead of deploying two at a time and completely rearwards, meaning your effective total is greater than the earlier F-5s, as well as being better at guiding infrareds away from you, ''except'' at ultra-low altitudes where the countermeasures may hit the ground.
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 ;Related development
 * [[F-5 (Family)]]

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 ! colspan="5" | [[Ballistic Computer]]
 |-
-! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs) !! Lead indicator
+! CCIP (Guns) !! CCIP (Rockets) !! CCIP (Bombs) !! CCRP (Bombs) !! EEGS
 |-
 | {{Tick}} || {{Cross}} || {{Cross}} || {{Cross}} || {{Tick}}
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 * 2 x 20 mm M39A3 cannons, nose-mounted (280 rpg = 560 total)
-* 45 x countermeasures
+* 10 x large calibre countermeasures
 === Suspended armament ===
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 |-
 ! !! width="6%" | 1 !! width="6%" | 2 !! width="6%" | 3 !! width="6%" | 4 !! width="6%" | 5 !! width="6%" | 6 !! width="6%" | 7
-| rowspan="13" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_F-5E_(China).png]]</div>
+| rowspan="14" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_F-5E_(China).png]]</div>
 |-
 ! [[GAU-13/A (30 mm)|30 mm GAU-13/A]] cannons (353 rpg)
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 ! [[AIM-9J Sidewinder]] missiles
 | 1 || || || || || || 1
 |-
 |}
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 {{Navigation-First-Simple-Line}}
-* Without load
+* 3 x 150 gal drop tanks
 * 2 x AIM-9E Sidewinder missiles
 * 2 x AIM-9J Sidewinder missiles

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 '''Pros:'''
-* Great manoeuvrability
+* Improved engines over its predecessor, improving its speed and manoeuvrability
 * Amazing energy retention above .90 Mach
-* Large selection of air-to-ground armaments, including Maverick air-to-ground missiles
+* Has AIM-9J missiles that are impossible to react to by sound alone (when you hear them, it's already too late to flare or dodge)
-* Generous ammunition capacity for guns
+* Large selection of air-to-ground armaments, including TV guided Maverick air-to-ground missiles
 * Small target
-* Improved engines over its predecessor, improving its speed and manoeuvrability
+* Has gun aim assist when locking the target with a radar, making a general tactic to remove F-5 (force a head-on) near useless for planes that do not have it themselves
 * Modern RWR with IFF + track, launch and threat type detection
 '''Cons:'''
-* Even though it has improved engines over the F-5C, it still has a low top speed compared to the competition
+* Even though it has improved engines over the F-5C, it still has a low top speed when compared to the higher tier competition
 * M39A3 cannons don't deal as much damage as cannons like the M61 Vulcan, or the Soviet GSh-23L
-* No BVR capabilities
+* No radar missiles, no all-aspect IR missiles
 * Radar lacks IFF and different search angle modes
 * Can only carry a maximum of two air-to-air missiles, making this plane mostly a gun fighter
-* No ballistic computer
+* No ballistic computer for bombs or rockets (slightly inconvenient in air RB)
 == History ==

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 ! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 |-
-| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 1,018 || 470 || 463 || ~11 || ~5
+| 1,458 <!-- {{Specs|destruction|body}} --> || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 1,018 || 470 || 463 || ~11 || ~5
 |-
 |}
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 ! Ailerons !! Rudder !! Elevators !! Radiator
 |-
-| < 680 || < 750 || < 700 || N/A
+| < 680 || < 750 || < 700 || -
 |-
 |}

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 * ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-* [https://wiki.warthunder.com/F-5_(Family) F-5 (Family)]
+;Related development
-* [https://wiki.warthunder.com/F-5A F-5A]
+* [[F-5 (Family)]]
 == External links ==

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 {{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.'' -->
-The F-5E is a light fighter, so as such it lacks any kind armour. If it loses its wing or tail it becomes incredibly difficult to fly. Surprisingly though, it can take a significant amount of punishment for its size. It can often survive a few hits from 20 & 23mm cannons, and in the right circumstances, even tank a single infrared missile, though in the latter case it will likely still leave you critically damaged, such as being down an engine and / or missing one or multiple control surfaces. Despite the razorback-like hump of the fuselage being loaded with fuel tanks, fires are uncommon unless a direct hit to one of the engines occurs.
 Flaring off incoming infrared missiles is very easy with the F-5E due to the low operating temperature of the engines even at full WEP to the point it's unnecessary, and maybe even wasteful to use the ''Flares Reinforced'' or ''Flare Priority'' setup for the countermeasures. While the E model only carries 45 countermeasures compared to the 60 on the A & C, they deploy one at a time and straight down, instead of deploying two at a time and completely rearwards, meaning your effective total is greater than the earlier F-5s, as well as being better at guiding infrareds away from you, ''except'' at ultra-low altitudes where the countermeasures may hit the ground.

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 * Efficient afterburner allows the use of lower fuel reserves, improving performance
 * EEGS (Enhanced Envelope Gun Sight) allows for more accurate shots
-* Modern RWR with IFF + track, launch and threat type detection.
+* Modern RWR with IFF + track, launch and threat type detection
 '''Cons:'''