F-5C - Revision history

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */ Updated

2024-06-19T19:52:27Z

‎Suspended armament: Updated

U38088265: /* Survivability and armour */

2023-11-14T12:56:45Z

‎Survivability and armour

U38088265: Reverted edits by U127194043 (talk) to last revision by U38088265

2023-10-28T20:58:16Z

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‎Offensive armament

U28616242: /* Offensive armament */ Since flares are unlocked default on fighters it is no longer possible to choose a weapon setup without flares

2023-10-11T16:56:25Z

‎Offensive armament: Since flares are unlocked default on fighters it is no longer possible to choose a weapon setup without flares

U28580205 at 18:46, 6 October 2023

2023-10-06T18:46:20Z

U88940890: /* Survivability and armour */

2023-10-06T09:39:32Z

‎Survivability and armour

U28580205: /* Pros and cons */

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U88940890: /* Pros and cons */

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-* Without load
+* 3 x 150 gal drop tanks
 * 2 x AIM-9E Sidewinder missiles
 * 18 x 250 lb LDGP Mk 81 bombs (4,500 lb total)
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 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-In air RB, the F-5C can be played as both a support and offensive plane. In medium range engagements, it plays well as a support fighter, either baiting enemies to use up missiles with the large amount of flares/chaff or launching missiles at enemies who are chasing friendly aircraft to give a chance to let your teammate get in a better position. In close range engagements, with some effort you can stay on the tail of the enemy, if possible making the enemy pull as many manoeuvres as possible to slow them down so you can get a short burst from the respectable 20 mm cannons mounted in the nose. Due to the plane's characteristics, overshooting an enemy won't be the end of a dogfight, the F-5C is able bleed enough speed in a quick turn to get right back on the enemy if they don't take advantage of the overshoot or if they are going too slow to be able to make any quick counterattack. Being slow and at a disadvantage, which is bad for any other jet at this tier, is especially terrible for this plane. The weak engines compared to its adversaries and the wing shape combine to give you great AoA but poor energy retention. At speeds above Mach 0.9, this is not an issue, but any lower than 850 km/h you will start to lose speed rapidly in a sharp turn. It is therefore recommended to pick 1v1 fights against weaker aircraft or enlist the help of teammates to take down the enemy. Another useful tip when grinding with the F-5C is to take an 2000 lb bomb and 2 BLU-1 incendiary bombs to drop on one base before turning around and going back for air targets on the way back to the base.
+In air RB, the F-5C can be played as both a support and offensive plane. In medium range engagements, it plays well as a support fighter, either baiting enemies to use up missiles with the large amount of flares/chaff or launching missiles at enemies who are chasing friendly aircraft to give a chance to let your teammate get in a better position. In close range engagements, with some effort you can stay on the tail of the enemy, if possible making the enemy pull as many manoeuvres as possible to slow them down so you can get a short burst from the respectable 20 mm cannons mounted in the nose. Due to the plane's characteristics, overshooting an enemy won't be the end of a dogfight, the F-5C is able to bleed enough speed in a quick turn to get right back on the enemy if they don't take advantage of the overshoot or if they are going too slow to be able to make any quick counterattack. Being slow and at a disadvantage, which is bad for any other jet at this tier, is especially terrible for this plane. The weak engines compared to its adversaries and the wing shape combine to give you great AoA but poor energy retention. At speeds above Mach 0.9, this is not an issue, but any lower than 850 km/h you will start to lose speed rapidly in a sharp turn. It is therefore recommended to pick 1v1 fights against weaker aircraft or enlist the help of teammates to take down the enemy. Another useful tip when grinding with the F-5C is to take an 2000 lb bomb and 2 BLU-1 incendiary bombs to drop on one base before turning around and going back for air targets on the way back to the base.
-In mixed ground  battles (RB), the F-5C is able to function as a light strike aircraft, while also being able to maintain air supremacy. The F-5C's versatile loadout of air-to-ground ordnance allows the player to choose what range they want to do air support, for example the 4 x AGM-12B loadout is great for medium range engagements against enemy ground units.
+In mixed ground battles (RB), the F-5C is able to function as a light strike aircraft, while also being able to maintain air supremacy. The F-5C's versatile loadout of air-to-ground ordnance allows the player to choose what range they want to do air support, for example the 4 x AGM-12B loadout is great for medium range engagements against enemy ground units.
 === Pros and cons ===

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
 During the Vietnam War, the USAF requested F-5 Freedom Fighters due to the high loss rates of other aircraft in use. The Defense Department originally rejected the proposal but later accepted it in 1965. Codenamed "Skoshi Tiger", the USAF would use 12 F-5A's from the Military Assistance Program (MAP) for performance evaluations. They would eventually receive inflight refueling probes, lead-computing gunsight, significant armour on the belly, and designated as the F-5C Skoshi Tiger.  The Skoshi Tiger program would later end with the DoD rejecting a second proposal for more F-5's.
 Introduced in [[Update "Red Skies"]] as a premium fighter, the '''{{Specs|name}}''' is an excellent fighter. Firstly, the F-5C has access to countermeasures which is incredibly important for its battle rating. Furthermore, the F-5C has a low heat signature which helps against evading IR missiles. The F-5C also can carry two AIM-9E Sidewinders which are decent but players should not rely on them to get kills. The two 20 mm cannons mounted in the nose will be the primary way of downing enemy aircraft along with its excellent performance. Although it can carry bombs, players should stick to using it as a fighter where it shines.
 == General info ==
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 <!-- ''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.'' -->
-Although the F-5C was equipped with armour plates in real life, in-game there is no armour present. This leaves the engine and other critical plates vulnerable to ground fire. However, the F-5C is a relatively small target to hit which counteracts the lack of armour. There are two fuel tanks mounted in the centre of the fuselage behind the pilot and both are self-sealing. The F-5C is surprisingly durable in-game and can take a few hits before being counted as destroyed.
+The F-5C is not protected by armour plates. This leaves the engine and other critical plates vulnerable to ground fire. However, the F-5C is a relatively small target to hit which mitigates the lack of armour. There are two fuel tanks mounted in the centre of the fuselage behind the pilot, both of which are self-sealing. The F-5C is surprisingly durable in-game and can take a few hits before being counted as destroyed.
 The F-5C also has 60 countermeasures which in combination with the low heat signature, greatly helps with evading IR missiles. Even strong IR missiles like the [[AIM-9L]] can easily be flared off. Unfortunately, the countermeasure drops in pairs so one drop means the loss of two countermeasures. With a mixed loadout, players will only have 15 drops before running out. Due to the F-5C's battle rating, it's better to choose standard flares as players will receive 30 drops and radar missiles are not a major threat yet, unless meeting planes like the MiG-21 at high-altitudes.
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
 In air RB, the F-5C can be played as both a support and offensive plane. In medium range engagements, it plays well as a support fighter, either baiting enemies to use up missiles with the large amount of flares/chaff or launching missiles at enemies who are chasing friendly aircraft to give a chance to let your teammate get in a better position. In close range engagements, with some effort you can stay on the tail of the enemy, if possible making the enemy pull as many manoeuvres as possible to slow them down so you can get a short burst from the respectable 20 mm cannons mounted in the nose. Due to the plane's characteristics, overshooting an enemy won't be the end of a dogfight, the F-5C is able bleed enough speed in a quick turn to get right back on the enemy if they don't take advantage of the overshoot or if they are going too slow to be able to make any quick counterattack. Being slow and at a disadvantage, which is bad for any other jet at this tier, is especially terrible for this plane. The weak engines compared to its adversaries and the wing shape combine to give you great AoA but poor energy retention. At speeds above Mach 0.9, this is not an issue, but any lower than 850 km/h you will start to lose speed rapidly in a sharp turn. It is therefore recommended to pick 1v1 fights against weaker aircraft or enlist the help of teammates to take down the enemy. Another useful tip when grinding with the F-5C is to take an 2000 lb bomb and 2 BLU-1 incendiary bombs to drop on one base before turning around and going back for air targets on the way back to the base.
 In mixed ground  battles (RB), the F-5C is able to function as a light strike aircraft, while also being able to maintain air supremacy. The F-5C's versatile loadout of air-to-ground ordnance allows the player to choose what range they want to do air support, for example the 4 x AGM-12B loadout is great for medium range engagements against enemy ground units.

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-During the Vietnam War, the USAF requested F-5 Freedom Fighters due to the high loss rates of other aircraft in use. The Defense Department originally rejected the proposal but later accepted it in 1965. Codenamed “Skoshi Tiger”, the USAF would use 12 F-5A’s from the Military Assistance Program (MAP) for performance evaluations. They would eventually receive inflight refueling probes, lead-computing gunsight, significant armour on the belly, and designated as the F-5C Skoshi Tiger.  The Skoshi Tiger program would later end with the DoD rejecting a second proposal for more F-5’s.
+During the Vietnam War, the USAF requested F-5 Freedom Fighters due to the high loss rates of other aircraft in use. The Defense Department originally rejected the proposal but later accepted it in 1965. Codenamed "Skoshi Tiger", the USAF would use 12 F-5A's from the Military Assistance Program (MAP) for performance evaluations. They would eventually receive inflight refueling probes, lead-computing gunsight, significant armour on the belly, and designated as the F-5C Skoshi Tiger.  The Skoshi Tiger program would later end with the DoD rejecting a second proposal for more F-5's.
 Introduced in [[Update "Red Skies"]] as a premium fighter, the '''{{Specs|name}}''' is an excellent fighter. Firstly, the F-5C has access to countermeasures which is incredibly important for its battle rating. Furthermore, the F-5C has a low heat signature which helps against evading IR missiles. The F-5C also can carry two AIM-9E Sidewinders which are decent but players should not rely on them to get kills. The two 20 mm cannons mounted in the nose will be the primary way of downing enemy aircraft along with its excellent performance. Although it can carry bombs, players should stick to using it as a fighter where it shines.
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 Although the F-5C was equipped with armour plates in real life, in-game there is no armour present. This leaves the engine and other critical plates vulnerable to ground fire. However, the F-5C is a relatively small target to hit which counteracts the lack of armour. There are two fuel tanks mounted in the centre of the fuselage behind the pilot and both are self-sealing. The F-5C is surprisingly durable in-game and can take a few hits before being counted as destroyed.
-The F-5C also has 60 countermeasures which in combination with the low heat signature, greatly helps with evading IR missiles. Even strong IR missiles like the [[AIM-9L]] can easily be flared off. Unfortunately, the countermeasure drops in pairs so one drop means the loss of two countermeasures. With a mixed loadout, players will only have 15 drops before running out. Due to the F-5C's battle rating, it’s better to choose standard flares as players will receive 30 drops and radar missiles are not a major threat yet, unless meeting planes like the MiG-21 at high-altitudes.
+The F-5C also has 60 countermeasures which in combination with the low heat signature, greatly helps with evading IR missiles. Even strong IR missiles like the [[AIM-9L]] can easily be flared off. Unfortunately, the countermeasure drops in pairs so one drop means the loss of two countermeasures. With a mixed loadout, players will only have 15 drops before running out. Due to the F-5C's battle rating, it's better to choose standard flares as players will receive 30 drops and radar missiles are not a major threat yet, unless meeting planes like the MiG-21 at high-altitudes.
 [[File:F-5C layout.png|thumb|center|F-5C's layout of components]]
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 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
-*2 x 20 mm M39A2 cannons(2 x 280rpg =560 total) + 60 x countermeasures
+* 2 x 20 mm M39A2 cannons, nose-mounted (280 rpg = 560 total)
 === Suspended armament ===

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 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
-* A choice between two presets:
+*2 x 20 mm M39A2 cannons(2 x 280rpg =560 total) + 60 x countermeasures
 === Suspended armament ===

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 Although the F-5C was equipped with armour plates in real life, in-game there is no armour present. This leaves the engine and other critical plates vulnerable to ground fire. However, the F-5C is a relatively small target to hit which counteracts the lack of armour. There are two fuel tanks mounted in the centre of the fuselage behind the pilot and both are self-sealing. The F-5C is surprisingly durable in-game and can take a few hits before being counted as destroyed.
-The F-5C also has 60 countermeasures which in combination with the low heat signature, greatly helps with evading IR missiles. Even strong IR missiles like the [[AIM-9L]] can easily be flared off. Unfortunately, the countermeasure drops in pairs so one drop means the loss of two countermeasures. With a mixed loadout, players will only have 15 drops before running out. Due to the F-5C’s battle rating, it’s better to choose standard flares as players will receive 30 drops and radar missiles are not a major threat yet, unless meeting planes like the mig 21.
+The F-5C also has 60 countermeasures which in combination with the low heat signature, greatly helps with evading IR missiles. Even strong IR missiles like the [[AIM-9L]] can easily be flared off. Unfortunately, the countermeasure drops in pairs so one drop means the loss of two countermeasures. With a mixed loadout, players will only have 15 drops before running out. Due to the F-5C's battle rating, it’s better to choose standard flares as players will receive 30 drops and radar missiles are not a major threat yet, unless meeting planes like the MiG-21 at high-altitudes.
 [[File:F-5C layout.png|thumb|center|F-5C's layout of components]]

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 * Below average top speed
 * No CCIP or CCRP for guns, rockets, or bombs, limiting its ground attack potential
-* very Weak engines just able to push mach 1 with a payload
+* Weak engines, just barely able to push Mach 1 with a payload
 == History ==