F-104S.ASA - Revision history

U38088265: /* Offensive armament */

2024-08-31T09:59:25Z

‎Offensive armament

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */ Updated

2024-03-23T20:54:32Z

‎Suspended armament: Updated

U38088265: Reverted edits by U126612375 (talk) to last revision by U38088265

2023-10-23T18:31:55Z

Reverted edits by U126612375 (talk) to last revision by U38088265

U126612375: /* Engine performance */

2023-10-23T08:41:45Z

‎Engine performance

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */

2023-06-18T08:54:58Z

‎Suspended armament

U38088265: /* Suspended armament */ Updated

2023-06-18T08:54:26Z

‎Suspended armament: Updated

U44629479: Edits

2023-01-02T19:45:13Z

Edits

U44566337: Minor update, the f104s now has flares

2023-01-02T18:32:24Z

Minor update, the f104s now has flares

U6234878: /* Pros and cons */

2022-12-22T04:29:54Z

‎Pros and cons

U44629479: Undo revision 146741 by U139754375 (talk)

2022-11-27T23:35:14Z

Undo revision 146741 by U139754375 (talk)

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 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is armed with:
-* A choice between two presets:
+* 60 x countermeasures
 === Suspended armament ===

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 |-
 ! [[LDGP Mk 82 (500 lb)|500 lb LDGP Mk 82]] bombs
-| || 1 || 1 || 1 || || || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
+| || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
 |-
 ! [[Mk 82 Snakeye (500 lb)|500 lb Mk 82 Snakeye]] bombs
-| || 1 || 1 || 1 || || || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
+| || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
 |-
 ! [[M117 cone 45 (750 lb)|750 lb M117 cone 45]] bombs
-| || 1 || 1 || 1 || || || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
+| || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
 |-
 ! [[LDGP Mk 83 (1,000 lb)|1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83]] bombs
-| || || 1 || || || || || 1 || ||
+| || || 1 || || 1 || || || 1 || ||
 |-
 ! [[LDGP Mk 84 (2,000 lb)|2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84]] bombs
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 * 2 x Aspide-1A missiles
 * 2 x Aspide-1A missiles + 2 x AIM-9L Sidewinder missiles
-* 1 x 20 mm M61A1 cannon + 6 x 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs (3,000 lb total)
+* 1 x 20 mm M61A1 cannon + 7 x 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs (3,500 lb total)
-* 1 x 20 mm M61A1 cannon + 6 x 500 lb Mk 82 Snakeye bombs (3,000 lb total)
+* 1 x 20 mm M61A1 cannon + 7 x 500 lb Mk 82 Snakeye bombs (3,500 lb total)
-* 1 x 20 mm M61A1 cannon + 6 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs (4,500 lb total)
+* 1 x 20 mm M61A1 cannon + 7 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs (5,250 lb total)
-* 1 x 20 mm M61A1 cannon + 6 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x AIM-9L Sidewinder missiles (4,500 lb total)
+* 1 x 20 mm M61A1 cannon + 7 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs + 2 x AIM-9L Sidewinder missiles (5,250 lb total)
-* 1 x 20 mm M61A1 cannon + 2 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (2,000 lb total)
+* 1 x 20 mm M61A1 cannon + 3 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs (3,000 lb total)
-* 1 x 20 mm M61A1 cannon + 2 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs + 2 x AIM-9L Sidewinder missiles (2,000 lb total)
+* 1 x 20 mm M61A1 cannon + 3 x 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs + 2 x AIM-9L Sidewinder missiles (3,000 lb total)
 * 1 x 20 mm M61A1 cannon + 1 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bomb (2,000 lb total)
 * 1 x 20 mm M61A1 cannon + 1 x 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bomb + 2 x AIM-9L Sidewinder missiles (2,000 lb total)
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 * All-aspect AIM-9Ls have very good tracking, range, and turning capability
 * Equipped with Aspide-1A SARH missiles with great tracking and range as well as a look-down/shoot-down radar
 * Equipped with 60 countermeasures
 '''Cons:'''
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 * M61A1 cannon cannot be carried when Aspide missiles are equipped
 * No guided air-to-ground weaponry
 * RWR only alerts you of radar pings/locks; it does not show what direction they come from
 * The ACM mode of the radar only has a range of 4KMs,being difficult to lock in head ons or environments with a lot of interference from the other planes
 * The radar does not have an adjustable horizontal scan angle,and having a slow scan
 == History ==

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 | colspan="2" | General Electric J79-GE-19 || 1
-| colspan="2" | 6,850 kg || colspan="3" | 550 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
+| colspan="2" | 6,850 kg || colspan="3" | 562 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
 |-
 ! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
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 {{Navigation-Start|Default weapon presets}}
 {{Navigation-First-Simple-Line}}
 * 1 x 20 mm M61A1 cannon (750 rpg)
 * 1 x 20 mm M61A1 cannon + 2 x AIM-9L Sidewinder missiles

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 | colspan="2" | General Electric J79-GE-19 || 1
-| colspan="2" | 6,850 kg || colspan="3" | 562 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
+| colspan="2" | 6,850 kg || colspan="3" | 550 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
 |-
 ! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
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 {{Navigation-Start|Default weapon presets}}
 {{Navigation-First-Simple-Line}}
 * 1 x 20 mm M61A1 cannon (750 rpg)
 * 1 x 20 mm M61A1 cannon + 2 x AIM-9L Sidewinder missiles

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 ! [[Aspide-1A]] missiles
-| || 1 || || || || || || || 1 ||
+| || 1* || || || || || || || 1* ||
 |-
 ! Aspide aim block
-| || || || || || 1 || || || ||
+| || || || || || 1* || || || ||
 |-
 | colspan="11" | Maximum permissible loadout weight: 3,400 kg<br>Maximum permissible weight imbalance: 500 kg
 |-
-| colspan="12" | * The "Aspide aim block" must be selected to use Aspide-1A missiles, replacing the 20 mm M61A1.
+| colspan="12" | * The Aspide aim block must be selected to use Aspide-1A missiles, replacing the 20 mm M61A1.
 |-
 |}

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 {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
-The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance presets:
+The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
-* 1 x 20 mm M61A1 cannon (750 rpg)
+{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
 |-
 ! !! width="4%" | 1 !! width="4%" | 2 !! width="4%" | 3 !! width="4%" | 4 !! width="4%" | 5 !! width="4%" | 6 !! width="4%" | 7 !! width="4%" | 8 !! width="4%" | 9 !! width="4%" | 10
-| rowspan="13" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_{{PAGENAME}}.png]]</div>
+| rowspan="14" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_{{PAGENAME}}.png]]</div>
 |-
-! 20 mm M61A1 cannons (750 rpg)
+! [[M61A1 (20 mm)|20 mm M61A1]] cannons (750 rpg)
 | || || || || || 1 || || || ||
 |-
-! 500 lb LDGP Mk 82 bombs
+! [[LDGP Mk 82 (500 lb)|500 lb LDGP Mk 82]] bombs
 | || 1 || 1 || 1 || || || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
 |-
-! 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs
+! [[M117 cone 45 (750 lb)|750 lb M117 cone 45]] bombs
 | || 1 || 1 || 1 || || || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
 |-
-! 1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83 bombs
+! [[LDGP Mk 83 (1,000 lb)|1,000 lb LDGP Mk 83]] bombs
 | || || 1 || || || || || 1 || ||
 |-
-! 2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84 bombs
+! [[LDGP Mk 84 (2,000 lb)|2,000 lb LDGP Mk 84]] bombs
 | || || || || 1 || || || || ||
 |-
-! BLU-1 incendiary bombs
+! [[BLU-1 incendiary]] bombs
 | || 1 || 1 || 1 || || || 1 || 1 || 1 ||
 |-
-! FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets
+! [[FFAR Mighty Mouse]] rockets
 | || 19 || 19 || || || || || 19 || 19 ||
 |-
-! Zuni Mk32 Mod 0 ATAP rockets
+! [[Zuni Mk32 Mod 0 ATAP]] rockets
 | || 4 || || || || || || || 4 ||
 |-
-! AIM-9L Sidewinder missiles
+! [[AIM-9L Sidewinder]] missiles
 | 1 || 1 || || || || || || || 1 || 1
 |-
-! Aspide-1A missiles*
+! [[Aspide-1A]] missiles
 | || 1 || || || || || || || 1 ||
 |-
-! Aspide aim block*
+! Aspide aim block
 | || || || || || 1 || || || ||
 |-
-| colspan="11" | Maximum permissible weight imbalance: 500 kg
+| colspan="11" | Maximum permissible loadout weight: 3,400 kg<br>Maximum permissible weight imbalance: 500 kg
 |-
 | colspan="12" | * The "Aspide aim block" must be selected to use Aspide-1A missiles, replacing the 20 mm M61A1.
 |}
 == Usage in battles ==

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 When used in conjunction with its speed, the available armaments really allow the F-104S.ASA to shine. The AIM-9Ls, already difficult to dodge with their good manoeuvrability and flare-resistance, become nigh-on impossible to avoid when launched at supersonic speeds, particularly against much slower targets. The Selenia Aspide can also be a welcome addition in a high-altitude, long-range, all-aspect engagement however you will have to compromise for the 20mm Vulcan. Speaking of which, the extremely accurate and powerful M61A1 Vulcan cannon can be used instead for quick head-ons and to mop any remaining opponents at close-range.
-Your main enemies will be aircraft such as the [[F-14A Early|F-14 Tomcat]] or the [[MiG-27K|MiG-27]], it's best to try and avoid close engagements and instead focus on picking people from afar. As previously mentioned, you will not be able to turn well at high speeds so make sure that every person you engage won't become a threat if things don't go your way.
+The F-104S.ASA is able to bring countermeasures to give it a fighting chance against the top dogs of the air. Your main enemies will be aircraft such as the [[F-14A Early|F-14 Tomcat]] or the [[MiG-27K|MiG-27]], it's best to try and avoid close engagements and instead focus on picking people from afar. As previously mentioned, you will not be able to turn well at high speeds so make sure that every person you engage won't become a threat if things don't go your way.
 === Pros and cons ===

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 * Excellent top speed and acceleration
 * Fantastic climb rate
-* All-aspect AIM-9Ls have very good tracking, range, and turning capability, as well as significant flare resistance
+* All-aspect AIM-9Ls have very good tracking, range, and turning capability
 * Equipped with Aspide-1A SARH missiles with great tracking and range as well as a look-down/shoot-down radar
 * Equipped with 60 countermeasures

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 The one thing the F-104S.ASA does extremely well is speed, it is one of the vehicle's greatest advantage, and can be used to great effect if the pilot is careful about choosing which engagements to pursue. It is recommended to keep up a high air-speed at all times, which will allow the F-104S.ASA to swoop in and out of the combat zone while evading enemies. Sometimes, it is even possible to outrun enemy air-to-air missiles.
-However, the F-104S.ASA struggles with maneuverability. With such small wings, it simply can't produce the lift necessary to throw itself around the sky, and therefore has a very poor turning circle. This means that any turning engagement is most likely futile, and also re-emphasises the utility of a boom and zoom playstyle.
+However, the F-104S.ASA struggles with manoeuvrability. With such small wings, it simply can't produce the lift necessary to throw itself around the sky, and therefore has a very poor turning circle. This means that any turning engagement is most likely futile, and also re-emphasises the utility of a boom and zoom playstyle.
-When used in conjunction with its speed, the available armaments really allow the F-104S.ASA to shine. The AIM-9Ls, already difficult to dodge with their good maneuverability and flare-resistance, become nigh-on impossible to avoid when launched at supersonic speeds, particularly against much slower targets. The Selenia Aspide can also be a welcome addition in a high-altitude, long-range, all-aspect engagement however you will have to compromise for the 20mm Vulcan. Speaking of which, the extremely accurate and powerful M61A1 Vulcan cannon can be used instead for quick head-ons and to mop any remaining opponents at close-range.
+When used in conjunction with its speed, the available armaments really allow the F-104S.ASA to shine. The AIM-9Ls, already difficult to dodge with their good manoeuvrability and flare-resistance, become nigh-on impossible to avoid when launched at supersonic speeds, particularly against much slower targets. The Selenia Aspide can also be a welcome addition in a high-altitude, long-range, all-aspect engagement however you will have to compromise for the 20mm Vulcan. Speaking of which, the extremely accurate and powerful M61A1 Vulcan cannon can be used instead for quick head-ons and to mop any remaining opponents at close-range.
 Unlike the F104S, the ASA is able to bring countermeasures to give it a fighting chance against the top dogs of the air. Your main enemies will be aircraft such as the [[F-14A Early|F-14 Tomcat]] or the [[MiG-27K|MiG-27]], it's best to try and avoid close engagements and instead focus on picking people from afar. As previously mentioned, you will not be able to turn well at high speeds so make sure that every person you engage won't become a threat if things don't go your way.
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 '''Cons:'''
-* Very poor maneuverability
+* Very poor manoeuvrability
 * M61A1 cannon cannot be carried when Aspide missiles are equipped
 * No guided air-to-ground weaponry