Csaba - Revision history

U44629479: Edits

2024-04-01T20:54:43Z

Edits

U44629479: /* External links */ Added Devblog

2023-12-31T12:56:06Z

‎External links: Added Devblog

U44629479: /* Media */ Added skins

2023-12-30T19:48:58Z

‎Media: Added skins

U38088265 at 18:45, 20 October 2023

2023-10-20T18:45:49Z

U68923840 at 21:16, 27 September 2023

2023-09-27T21:16:08Z

U38088265: Edits

2023-09-26T18:47:16Z

Edits

U68923840: Improved the description and pros and cons sections, filled out the see also section

2023-09-26T02:53:21Z

Improved the description and pros and cons sections, filled out the see also section

U136966302: Added specific armor values

2023-09-25T18:21:41Z

Added specific armor values

U50677302: More details for armour stats and survivability.

2023-09-24T15:41:32Z

More details for armour stats and survivability.

U50677302: Added Armor Stats

2023-09-24T15:18:55Z

Added Armor Stats

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''39.M Csaba (t͡ʃɒbɒ)''' was a Hungarian armoured car designed by Nicholas Straussler. During World War II, it was manufactured for the Royal Hungarian Army and saw extensive use on the Eastern Front against the Soviet Union. The Csaba is based on Straussler's Alvis AC2 armoured car design and is named after Attila the Hun's youngest son. Following successful trials in 1939, the Hungarian Army ordered 61 vehicles, followed by an additional order for 40 vehicles in 1940. Twenty of them were used as combat vehicles, with the others serving as armoured command and reconnaissance vehicles. The 39.M Csaba was armed with a 20 mm Solothurn QF.36M anti-tank autocannon and a coaxial 8 mm Gebauer machine gun. The vehicle also had a removable anti-aircraft 8 mm Solothurn light machine gun that was fired from the rear hatch. The crew could dismount and carry this LMG while conducting reconnaissance on foot. It also had two driving positions, one in the front and one in the back.
+The '''39.M Csaba''' was a Hungarian armoured car designed by Nicholas Straussler. During World War II, it was manufactured for the Royal Hungarian Army and saw extensive use on the Eastern Front against the Soviet Union. The Csaba is based on Straussler's Alvis AC2 armoured car design and is named after Attila the Hun's youngest son. Following successful trials in 1939, the Hungarian Army ordered 61 vehicles, followed by an additional order for 40 vehicles in 1940. Twenty of them were used as combat vehicles, with the others serving as armoured command and reconnaissance vehicles. The 39.M Csaba was armed with a 20 mm Solothurn QF.36M anti-tank autocannon and a coaxial 8 mm Gebauer machine gun. The vehicle also had a removable anti-aircraft 8 mm Solothurn light machine gun that was fired from the rear hatch. The crew could dismount and carry this LMG while conducting reconnaissance on foot. It also had two driving positions, one in the front and one in the back.
 Introduced in [[Update "Sons of Attila"]], the 39.M Csaba is the starter vehicle for the Hungarian ground forces line of the Italian tech tree. Its high mobility helps players easily explore the map, capture points, and quickly flee from danger. The 20 mm [[Solothurn QF.36M (20 mm)|Solothurn QF.36M]] anti-tank autocannon has a quick reload but no fully automatic firing mode. As an armoured car developed for reconnaissance, it has a low profile and may readily set up an ambush for enemies early in battles. Unfortunately, players of the 39.M Csaba will struggle to defeat well-armoured enemy tanks due to the lacklustre penetration, as well as poor post-penetration damage. Furthermore, given the poor armour and cramped interior, any penetrating rounds, even from heavy machine guns, are often fatal.

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 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.'' -->
-* ''topic on the official game forum;''
+* [[wt:en/news/8431-development-39-m-csaba-the-youngest-son-en|[Devblog] 39.M Csaba: The Youngest Son]]
 {{Italy light tanks}}
 [[Category:Wheeled ground vehicles]]

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 == Media ==
 <!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
-''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
 == See also ==

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 ! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 |-
-| Hull || 13 mm (58°) ''Upper''
+| Hull || 13 mm (58°) ''Upper''<br>7 mm (13°) ''Lower''
-mm (13°) ''Lower''
+| 7 mm (47°) ''Top'' <br> 7 mm (26°) ''Bottom'' || 7 mm (72°) ''Top''<br>7 mm (15-33°) ''Bottom''
 | 7 mm
 |-
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 {{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}
 <!-- ''Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and manoeuvrability, as well as the maximum speed forwards and backwards.'' -->
-{{tankMobility}}
+{{tankMobility|abMinHp=147|rbMinHp=84}}
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 <!-- ''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.'' -->
 {{main|Solothurn QF.36M (20 mm)}}
 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
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 |-
 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 200 (5) || rowspan="2" | 60 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+25° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | - || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__
+| rowspan="2" | 200 (5) || rowspan="2" | 60 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+25° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | - || 22.8 || 31.6 || 38.4 || 42.5 || 45.2 || rowspan="2" | 3.90 || rowspan="2" | 3.45 || rowspan="2" | 3.18 || rowspan="2" | 3.00
 |-
 ! ''Realistic''
-| __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
+| 14.3 || 16.8 || 20.4 || 22.6 || 24.0
 |-
 |}
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 <!-- ''Offensive and anti-aircraft machine guns not only allow you to fight some aircraft but also are effective against lightly armoured vehicles. Evaluate machine guns and give recommendations on its use.'' -->
 {{main|34/40M (8 mm)}}
 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="50%"
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 ! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
 |-
-| || ___ (___) || ___ || __° || __°
+| Coaxial || 3,000 (100) || 900 || - || -
 |-
 |}
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 '''Cons:'''
-* Extremely low survivability due to thin armor and cramped interior
+* Extremely low survivability due to thin armour and cramped interior
 * 20 mm shell has limited explosive filler, making spacious tanks (e.g. [[LVT(A)(1)|LVT(A)]], [[Pz.IV C|Pz.IV]]) hard to destroy
 * Cannon has poor penetration (34 mm at most) especially as range increases, restricting its capacity

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 The '''39.M Csaba (t͡ʃɒbɒ)''' was a Hungarian armoured car designed by Nicholas Straussler. During World War II, it was manufactured for the Royal Hungarian Army and saw extensive use on the Eastern Front against the Soviet Union. The Csaba is based on Straussler's Alvis AC2 armoured car design and is named after Attila the Hun's youngest son. Following successful trials in 1939, the Hungarian Army ordered 61 vehicles, followed by an additional order for 40 vehicles in 1940. Twenty of them were used as combat vehicles, with the others serving as armoured command and reconnaissance vehicles. The 39.M Csaba was armed with a 20 mm Solothurn QF.36M anti-tank autocannon and a coaxial 8 mm Gebauer machine gun. The vehicle also had a removable anti-aircraft 8 mm Solothurn light machine gun that was fired from the rear hatch. The crew could dismount and carry this LMG while conducting reconnaissance on foot. It also had two driving positions, one in the front and one in the back.
-Introduced in [[Update "Sons of Attila"]], the 39.M Csaba is the starter vehicle for the Hungarian ground forces line of the Italian tech tree. Its high mobility helps players easily explore the map, capture points, and quickly flee from danger. The 20 mm [[Solothurn QF.36M (20 mm)|Solothurn QF.36M]] anti-tank autocannon has a quick reload but no fully automatic firing mode. As a tiny armoured car developed for reconnaissance, it has a low profile and may readily set up an ambush for enemies early in conflicts. Unfortunately, players of the 39.M Csaba will struggle to defeat well-armoured enemy tanks due to the lacklustre penetration, as well as poor post-penetration damage. Furthermore, given the poor armour and cramped interior, any penetrating rounds, even from heavy machine guns, are often fatal.
+Introduced in [[Update "Sons of Attila"]], the 39.M Csaba is the starter vehicle for the Hungarian ground forces line of the Italian tech tree. Its high mobility helps players easily explore the map, capture points, and quickly flee from danger. The 20 mm [[Solothurn QF.36M (20 mm)|Solothurn QF.36M]] anti-tank autocannon has a quick reload but no fully automatic firing mode. As an armoured car developed for reconnaissance, it has a low profile and may readily set up an ambush for enemies early in battles. Unfortunately, players of the 39.M Csaba will struggle to defeat well-armoured enemy tanks due to the lacklustre penetration, as well as poor post-penetration damage. Furthermore, given the poor armour and cramped interior, any penetrating rounds, even from heavy machine guns, are often fatal.
 == General info ==

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 ! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 |-
 | Hull || 13 mm (58°) ''Upper''
 mm (13°) ''Lower''
 | 7 mm (47°) ''Top'' <br> 7 mm (26°) ''Bottom'' || 7 mm (72°) ''Top''
 mm (15-33°) ''Bottom''
 | 7 mm
 |-
 | Turret || 10 mm (7°) ''Turret front'' <br>10 mm ''Gun mantlet'' || 10 mm (17°) || 10 mm (36°) || 7 mm (72-90°)
 |-
 |}
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 === Pros and cons ===
 <!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->
 '''Pros:'''
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 * Good gun depression
 * Plenty of ammo
 '''Cons:'''
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 * Cannon has poor penetration (34 mm at most) especially as range increases, restricting its capacity
 * Low weight, easily stopped by obstacles like small trees and fences
 == History ==
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 <!-- ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
-* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->Other Hungarian vehicles
+* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
 * [[Toldi IIA]]
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 * [[Zrinyi II|Zrínyi II]]
-Similar vehicles
+'''Similar vehicles'''
 * [[AB 41]]

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''39.M. Csaba (t͡ʃɒbɒ)''' was a Hungarian armoured car designed by Nicholas Straussler. During World War II, it was manufactured for the Royal Hungarian Army and saw extensive use on the Eastern Front against the Soviet Union. The armoured car is based on the Alvis AC2 armoured car and is named after Attila the Hun's son. Following successful trials in 1939, the Hungarian Army ordered 61 vehicles, followed by an additional order for 40 vehicles in 1940. Twenty of them were used as combat vehicles, with the others serving as armoured command and reconnaissance vehicles. The 39.M Csaba was armed with a 20 mm Solothurn QF.36M anti-tank autocannon and a coaxial 8 mm Gebauer 1934/37M light machine gun installed in an armoured turret. The coaxial 8 mm Gebauer machine gun carried 3000 rounds in 100-round ammunition belts, while the 20 mm Solothurn QF.36M anti-tank autocannon carried 200 shells in 5 shell capacity magazines, totalling 40 magazines. The vehicle also had a removable anti-aircraft 8 mm Solothurn light machine gun that was fired from the rear hatch. The crew could dismount and carry this LMG while conducting foot reconnaissance. It also had two driving positions, one in the front and one in the back.
+The '''39.M Csaba (t͡ʃɒbɒ)''' was a Hungarian armoured car designed by Nicholas Straussler. During World War II, it was manufactured for the Royal Hungarian Army and saw extensive use on the Eastern Front against the Soviet Union. The Csaba is based on Straussler's Alvis AC2 armoured car design and is named after Attila the Hun's youngest son. Following successful trials in 1939, the Hungarian Army ordered 61 vehicles, followed by an additional order for 40 vehicles in 1940. Twenty of them were used as combat vehicles, with the others serving as armoured command and reconnaissance vehicles. The 39.M Csaba was armed with a 20 mm Solothurn QF.36M anti-tank autocannon and a coaxial 8 mm Gebauer machine gun. The vehicle also had a removable anti-aircraft 8 mm Solothurn light machine gun that was fired from the rear hatch. The crew could dismount and carry this LMG while conducting reconnaissance on foot. It also had two driving positions, one in the front and one in the back.
-Introduced in [[Update "Sons of Attila"]], the 39.M. Csaba is a starter vehicle of the Italian Army's ground forces. Its high mobility helps players easily explore the map and quickly flee from danger. The 20 mm Solothurn QF.36M anti-tank autocannon has a quick reload but no fully automatic firing mode. As a tiny, armoured car developed for reconnaissance, it has a low profile and may readily set up an ambush for enemies early in conflicts. Unfortunately, players playing 39.M. Csaba will struggle to defeat opponent tanks due to the lacklustre penetration and poor post-penetration effects. Furthermore, given the poor armour and cramped interior, any penetrating rounds, even from heavy machine guns, are almost always fatal.
+Introduced in [[Update "Sons of Attila"]], the 39.M Csaba is the starter vehicle for the Hungarian ground forces line of the Italian tech tree. Its high mobility helps players easily explore the map, capture points, and quickly flee from danger. The 20 mm [[Solothurn QF.36M (20 mm)|Solothurn QF.36M]] anti-tank autocannon has a quick reload but no fully automatic firing mode. As a tiny armoured car developed for reconnaissance, it has a low profile and may readily set up an ambush for enemies early in conflicts. Unfortunately, players of the 39.M Csaba will struggle to defeat well-armoured enemy tanks due to the lacklustre penetration, as well as poor post-penetration damage. Furthermore, given the poor armour and cramped interior, any penetrating rounds, even from heavy machine guns, are often fatal.
 == General info ==
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 * Reverse gearbox allows it to retreat from danger or reposition quickly
-* Fast 1-sec reload speed lets it fire rapid follow-up shots
+* Fast 1 second reload speed lets it fire rapid follow-up shots
-* Relatively high topspeed especially on paved roads
+* Relatively high top speed, especially on paved roads
-* Small profile makes it hard to get spotted and shot at
+* Good mobility, even off-road
-* Geometric hull might bounce some bullets with luck
+* Small profile makes it hard to spot and shoot at
+*
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 <!-- ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
-* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
+* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->Other Hungarian vehicles
-* ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
+* [[Toldi IIA]]
-* ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''
+* [[Turan I|Turán I]]
 == External links ==

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 {{Specs-Tank-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.'' -->
-Many Rifle caliber machin guns can penetrate the turret and side andd rear of the hull at very short ranges.
+''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.''
-'''Armour type:''' <!-- *Rolled homogeneus armor (hull, turret)
+'''Armour type:''' <!-- The types of armour present on the vehicle and their general locations -->
 <!-- Example: * Rolled homogeneous armour (Front, Side, Rear, Hull roof)
 * Cast homogeneous armour (Turret, Transmission area) -->
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 ! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 |-
-| Hull || 13 mm (58°) ''Upper Glacis''
+| Hull || 13 mm (58°) ''Upper''
-mm (6°) ''Driver Hatch'' 7 mm (13°) ''Lower Glacis''
+mm (13°) ''Lower''
-| 7 mm (47°) ''Top''
+| 7 mm (47°) ''Top'' <br> 7 mm (26°) ''Bottom'' || 7 mm (72°) ''Top''
-mm (26°) ''Bottom'' 13 mm (2°) Side of ''Driver Hatch''
+mm (15-33°) ''Bottom''
-| 7 mm (72°) ''Top''
+| 7 mm
-mm (15°) ''Middle''
+|-
+| Turret || 10 mm (7°) ''Turret front'' <br>10 mm ''Gun mantlet'' || 10 mm (17°) || 10 mm (36°) || 7 mm (72-90°)
 |-
-| Turret || 10 mm (7°) ''Turret front'' <br>10 mm (0°) ''Gun mantlet'' || 10 mm (17°) || 10 mm (36°) || 7 mm (72-90°)
+| Cupola
 |-
 |}
-'''Notes:''' <!-- *The wheels are 10 mm thick.
+'''Notes:''' <!-- Any additional notes which the user needs to be aware of -->
 <!-- Example: * Suspension wheels are 20 mm thick, tracks are 30 mm thick, and torsion bars are 60 mm thick. -->

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 ! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
 |-
-| Hull || ___ mm || ___ mm ''Top'' <br> ___ mm ''Bottom'' || ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
+| Hull || 13 mm (58°) || 7 mm || 7 mm
 |-
-| Turret || ___ - ___ mm ''Turret front'' <br> ___ mm ''Gun mantlet'' || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm || ___ - ___ mm
+| Turret || 10 mm (7°) ''Turret front'' <br>10 mm (0°) ''Gun mantlet'' || 10 mm || 10 mm || 7 mm
 |-
 |}