Colbert - Revision history

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‎Description

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‎Pros and cons

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Edits

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‎Primary armament: Fixed hypernation in SAP

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linked Suffren

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‎Description: New Description Project

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‎Media: Added skins

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the first part of the description, cover the history of the ship's creation and military application. In the second part, tell the reader about using this ship in the game. Add a screenshot: if a beginner player has a hard time remembering vehicles by name, a picture will help them identify the ship in question.'' -->
-Colbert is the second of the [[Suffren (Family)|Suffren-class]] cruisers. Designed by French navy as a light cruiser, she had typical issues for the Washington treaty cruisers. Through the interwar period she was based in Toulon. During the World War Two, she participated in Operation Vado, bombing of the Italian ports of Genoa and Vado Ligure, without much success. With the fall of France and creation of the French Vichy Navy she remained a part of the Vichy forces along with the other vessels stationed in mainland France. With the Case Anton, German military occupation of Vichy France, French sailors scuttled Colbert along with the rest of the French fleet at Toulon on 27 November 1942. Her burned out wreck was scrapped after the war.
+Colbert was the second of the [[Suffren (Family)|Suffren-class]] cruisers. Designed as a light cruiser, she had typical issues for the Washington Treaty cruisers. Through the interwar period, she was based in Toulon. During World War Two, she participated in Operation Vado, shelling the Italian ports of Genoa and Vado Ligure, without much success. With the fall of France and the creation of the Vichy French Navy, she remained part of the Vichy forces, along with the other vessels stationed in mainland France. With Case Anton, the German military occupation of Vichy France, French sailors scuttled Colbert, along with the rest of the French fleet at Toulon, on 27 November 1942. Her burned-out wreck was scrapped after the war.
-Colbert was introduced in [[Update "La Royale"]] as a heavy cruiser, owning it to the calibre of the main guns and the overall displacement. She's a very good performer against soft targets thanks to an outstanding SAP shells, but lacks the survivability of mobility to consistently dictate the engagement with the enemy vessels. She's best used in the second line, picking off targets, while avoiding attention. When being fired upon, her best chance is in laying down the smoke screen and retreating, rather than continuing the direct exchange. Her two hydroplanes can be used to capture points without exposing the vessel or laying additional smoke screens, while torpedoes can be used for opportunistic kills, especially on an open sea maps.
+Colbert was introduced in [[Update "La Royale"]] as a heavy cruiser, owing to the calibre of the main guns and the overall displacement. She is a very good performer against soft targets thanks to outstanding SAP shells, but lacks the survivability or mobility to consistently dictate engagements with enemy vessels. She is best used in the second line, picking off targets while avoiding attention. When fired upon, her best chance is to lay down a smoke screen and retreat, rather than continue the direct exchange. Her two hydroplanes can be used to capture points without exposing the vessel or laying additional smoke screens, while torpedoes can be used for opportunistic kills, especially on open sea maps.
 == General info ==
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 {{main|Model 1923DT (550 mm)}}
 Divided between one triple-launcher on each side, there are six torpedoes in total, with additional 4 in the reloads for the total of 10 torpedoes onboard. The torpedoes themselves offer a great combination of speed and range, complemented by a substantial warhead. As a result, they prove effective for both short-range engagements and long-range area denial.
 === Scout plane ===

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 '''Pros:'''
 * High top speed
 * Exceptional {{Annotation|SAP|Semi armour-piercing}} shells
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 '''Cons:'''
 * Very poor survivability, more comparable to the light cruisers than heavy.
 * No access to the {{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}} shells
 == History ==
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_cruiser_suffren_class_colbert Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 * ''reference to the series of the ship;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
 * [[Dupleix]]

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 {{main|203 mm/50 model 1924 (203 mm)}}
-Main guns feature an exceptionally potent {{Annotation|SAP|Semi-armour piercing}} shell, able to do much more damage than the foreign equivalents. But the main issue with the main guns is the lack of the dedicated {{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}} shells, making it impossible to counter heavily armoured targets. In fact, Colbert will struggle to penetrate most of the heavy cruisers and even some of the light cruisers, making it preferable to focus on fighting the soft targets, and rewarding knowledge of the armour on the enemy vessels.
+Main guns feature an exceptionally potent {{Annotation|SAP|Semi-armour-piercing}} shell, able to do much more damage than the foreign equivalents. But the main issue with the main guns is the lack of the dedicated {{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}} shells, making it impossible to counter heavily armoured targets. In fact, Colbert will struggle to penetrate most of the heavy cruisers and even some of the light cruisers, making it preferable to focus on fighting the soft targets, and rewarding knowledge of the armour on the enemy vessels.
 {{:203 mm/50 model 1924 (203 mm)/Ammunition|203 mm OEA Mle 1927 HE, 203 mm OPF Mle 1927 SAPBC}}

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 {{main|203 mm/50 model 1924 (203 mm)}}
-Main guns feature an exceptionally potent {{Annotation|SAP|Semi armour-piercing}} shell, able to do much more damage than the foreign equivalents. But the main issue with the main guns is the lack of the dedicated {{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}} shells, making it impossible to counter heavily armoured targets. In fact, Colbert will struggle to penetrate most of the heavy cruisers and even some of the light cruisers, making it preferable to focus on fighting the soft targets, and rewarding knowledge of the armour on the enemy vessels.
+Main guns feature an exceptionally potent {{Annotation|SAP|Semi-armour piercing}} shell, able to do much more damage than the foreign equivalents. But the main issue with the main guns is the lack of the dedicated {{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}} shells, making it impossible to counter heavily armoured targets. In fact, Colbert will struggle to penetrate most of the heavy cruisers and even some of the light cruisers, making it preferable to focus on fighting the soft targets, and rewarding knowledge of the armour on the enemy vessels.
 {{:203 mm/50 model 1924 (203 mm)/Ammunition|203 mm OEA Mle 1927 HE, 203 mm OPF Mle 1927 SAPBC}}

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the first part of the description, cover the history of the ship's creation and military application. In the second part, tell the reader about using this ship in the game. Add a screenshot: if a beginner player has a hard time remembering vehicles by name, a picture will help them identify the ship in question.'' -->
-Colbert is the second of the Suffren-class cruisers. Designed by French navy as a light cruiser, she had typical issues for the Washington treaty cruisers. Through the interwar period she was based in Toulon. During the World War Two, she participated in Operation Vado, bombing of the Italian ports of Genoa and Vado Ligure, without much success. With the fall of France and creation of the French Vichy Navy she remained a part of the Vichy forces along with the other vessels stationed in mainland France. With the Case Anton, German military occupation of Vichy France, French sailors scuttled Colbert along with the rest of the French fleet at Toulon on 27 November 1942. Her burned out wreck was scrapped after the war.
+Colbert is the second of the [[Suffren (Family)|Suffren-class]] cruisers. Designed by French navy as a light cruiser, she had typical issues for the Washington treaty cruisers. Through the interwar period she was based in Toulon. During the World War Two, she participated in Operation Vado, bombing of the Italian ports of Genoa and Vado Ligure, without much success. With the fall of France and creation of the French Vichy Navy she remained a part of the Vichy forces along with the other vessels stationed in mainland France. With the Case Anton, German military occupation of Vichy France, French sailors scuttled Colbert along with the rest of the French fleet at Toulon on 27 November 1942. Her burned out wreck was scrapped after the war.
 Colbert was introduced in [[Update "La Royale"]] as a heavy cruiser, owning it to the calibre of the main guns and the overall displacement. She's a very good performer against soft targets thanks to an outstanding SAP shells, but lacks the survivability of mobility to consistently dictate the engagement with the enemy vessels. She's best used in the second line, picking off targets, while avoiding attention. When being fired upon, her best chance is in laying down the smoke screen and retreating, rather than continuing the direct exchange. Her two hydroplanes can be used to capture points without exposing the vessel or laying additional smoke screens, while torpedoes can be used for opportunistic kills, especially on an open sea maps.

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 === Scout plane ===
 {{Specs-Fleet-Plane}}
 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the technique of using this ship, the characteristics of her use in a team and tips on strategy. Abstain from writing an entire guide – don't try to provide a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought. Talk about the most dangerous opponents for this vehicle and provide recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of playing with this vehicle in various modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-''Describe the technique of using this ship, the characteristics of her use in a team and tips on strategy. Abstain from writing an entire guide – don't try to provide a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought. Talk about the most dangerous opponents for this vehicle and provide recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of playing with this vehicle in various modes (AB, RB, SB).''
+Colbert is a challenging heavy cruiser to play, owning it to a poor survivability and no means of countering enemy heavy cruisers or battleships. She has to cherry-pick targets below her in the pecking order, while avoiding contact. This is best assisted by carefully using islands as a hard cover or smoke screens - either from the cruiser or its hydroplanes. And, of course, spawning after the first few friendlies are already in the match, then keeping in the second line rather than rushing forward, in order to avoid attention.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * ''reference to the series of the ship;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-''Links to articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
+* [[Dupleix]]
 == External links ==
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 * [[wt:en/news/8241-development-colbert-heavy-cruiser-the-contender-en|[Devblog] Colbert heavy cruiser: The Contender]]
 {{ShipManufacturer Arsenal de Brest}}
 {{France heavy cruisers}}

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 {{Specs-Fleet-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Talk about the vehicle's armour. Note the most well-defended and most vulnerable zones, e.g. the ammo magazine. Evaluate the composition of components and assemblies responsible for movement and manoeuvrability. Evaluate the survivability of the primary and secondary armaments separately. Don't forget to mention the size of the crew, which plays an important role in fleet mechanics. Save tips on preserving survivability for the "Usage in battles" section. If necessary, use a graphical template to show the most well-protected or most vulnerable points in the armour.'' -->
-''Talk about the vehicle's armour. Note the most well-defended and most vulnerable zones, e.g. the ammo magazine. Evaluate the composition of components and assemblies responsible for movement and manoeuvrability. Evaluate the survivability of the primary and secondary armaments separately. Don't forget to mention the size of the crew, which plays an important role in fleet mechanics. Save tips on preserving survivability for the "Usage in battles" section. If necessary, use a graphical template to show the most well-protected or most vulnerable points in the armour.''
+With a maximum armour thickness of 50 mm, Colbert is outclassed by all of the foregin heavy cruisers in the similar BR and majority of the light cruisers, including the likes of [[USS Atlanta]] or [[RN Eugenio di Savoia]]. This is not helped by only an average crew count for the vessel in her BR, making Colbert one of the most fragile cruisers.
 === Mobility ===
 {{Specs-Fleet-Mobility}}
 <!-- ''Write about the ship's mobility. Evaluate its power and manoeuvrability, rudder rerouting speed, stopping speed at full tilt, with its maximum forward and reverse speed.'' -->
-''Write about the ship's mobility. Evaluate its power and manoeuvrability, rudder rerouting speed, stopping speed at full tilt, with its maximum forward and reverse speed.''
+In terms of mobility, Colbert is rather typical for the cruisers in its BR. Power, turn rate, rudder turning time and engine mode changing time all are within 10% of average comparable vessels
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+{{NavalMobility
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 {{main|203 mm/50 model 1924 (203 mm)}}
-''Provide information about the characteristics of the primary armament. Evaluate their efficacy in battle based on their reload speed, ballistics and the capacity of their shells. Add a link to the main article about the weapon: <code><nowiki>{{main|Weapon name (calibre)}}</nowiki></code>. Broadly describe the ammunition available for the primary armament, and provide recommendations on how to use it and which ammunition to choose.''
+Main guns feature an exceptionally potent {{Annotation|SAP|Semi armour-piercing}} shell, able to do much more damage than the foreign equivalents. But the main issue with the main guns is the lack of the dedicated {{Annotation|AP|Armour-piercing}} shells, making it impossible to counter heavily armoured targets. In fact, Colbert will struggle to penetrate most of the heavy cruisers and even some of the light cruisers, making it preferable to focus on fighting the soft targets, and rewarding knowledge of the armour on the enemy vessels.
 {{:203 mm/50 model 1924 (203 mm)/Ammunition|203 mm OEA Mle 1927 HE, 203 mm OPF Mle 1927 SAPBC}}
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 {{main|90 mm/50 model 1926 (90 mm)}}
-''Some ships are fitted with weapons of various calibres. Secondary armaments are defined as weapons chosen with the control <code>Select secondary weapon</code>. Evaluate the secondary armaments and give advice on how to use them. Describe the ammunition available for the secondary armament. Provide recommendations on how to use them and which ammunition to choose. Remember that any anti-air armament, even heavy calibre weapons, belong in the next section. If there is no secondary armament, remove this section.''
+Eight, single-mount 90 mm secondary guns are primarily an anti-air weapons, being able to engage even the dive bombers thanks to +80° vertical guidance. {{Annotation|HE-TF|High-explosive with time fuze}} rounds are a preferable first choice for the secondaries, as they maximise the chance of damaging an enemy airplane, either by a direct hit or a shrapnel from a nearby explosion. HE-TF rounds can also be used against coastal vessels, as in a short range they will work like a regular {{Annotation|HE|High-explosive}} shells, though switching to an anti-air armament can be a better choice when dealing with a small, manoeuvring torpedo boats.
 {{:90 mm/50 model 1926 (90 mm)/Ammunition|90 mm OEA Mle 1925 HE, 90 mm OEA Mle 1925 HE-TF}}
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 {{main|37 mm/50 model 1925 (37 mm)|37 mm/50 model 1933 (37 mm)|Model 1929 Hotchkiss (13.2 mm)|Browning (13.2 mm)}}
-''An important part of the ship's armament responsible for air defence. Anti-aircraft armament is defined by the weapon chosen with the control <code>Select anti-aircraft weapons</code>. Talk about the ship's anti-air cannons and machine guns, the number of guns and their positions, their effective range, and about their overall effectiveness – including against surface targets. If there are no anti-aircraft armaments, remove this section.''
+Nearly all the anti-air armament is concentrated around the bridge superstructure and on the aft superstructure - between the aft funnels and rear main guns. 37 mm guns are excellent, able to engage incoming airplanes at a significant distance, with even a single hit being enough to cripple single-engined planes and do significant damage to larger bombers. In contrast, 13.2 mm machine guns really struggle to deal with both: aerial and surface targets alike, lacking both: the stopping power and range to effectively counter hostiles. Overall capabilities of the anti-air guns can be described as adequate, though on a low end of the capabilities.
 === Additional armament ===
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 {{main|Model 1923DT (550 mm)}}
-''Describe the available additional armaments of the ship: depth charges, mines, torpedoes. Talk about their positions, available ammunition and launch features such as dead zones of torpedoes. If there is no additional armament, remove this section.''
+Divided between one triple-launcher on each side, there are six torpedoes in total, with additional 4 in the reloads for the total of 10 torpedoes onboard. The torpedoes themselves offer a great combination of speed and range, complemented by a substantial warhead. As a result, they prove effective for both short-range engagements and long-range area denial.
 === Scout plane ===
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 === Pros and cons ===
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 '''Pros:'''
+* High top speed
 '''Cons:'''
+* Very poor survivability, more comparable to the light cruisers than heavy.
 == History ==

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 == Media ==
 <!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
-''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
 == See also ==

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	* [[wt:en/news/8241-development-colbert-heavy-cruiser-the-contender-en\|[Devblog] Colbert heavy cruiser: The Contender]]		* [[wt:en/news/8241-development-colbert-heavy-cruiser-the-contender-en\|[Devblog] Colbert heavy cruiser: The Contender]]

		+	{{ShipManufacturer Arsenal de Brest}}
	{{France heavy cruisers}}		{{France heavy cruisers}}