Chieftain Marksman - Revision history

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U65268822: The text originally said that the turret was unique to this tank, with the addition of the ItPsV 90 this became incorrect as they both share same turret.

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The text originally said that the turret was unique to this tank, with the addition of the ItPsV 90 this became incorrect as they both share same turret.

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laser rangefinder, zoom changes, etc. probably more things could be mentioned, but i can't remember yet.

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 * ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
-* [[Gepard]]
+;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role
-* [[Type 87]]
+* [[Oerlikon KDA (35 mm)]]
-* [[PGZ09]]
+** [[File:FRG flag.png|30px|link=]] [[Gepard]]
-* [[AMX-30 DCA]]
+** [[File:Japan flag.png|30px|link=]] [[Type 87]]
 == External links ==

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 The Marksman can take 460 shells for the main belts and 40 for secondary, which is barely enough for one engagement. This may be insulting, but it's necessary for survival. Unlike with the [[Falcon]], when ammo for the main belt runs out, the second belt of pure anti-air or anti-armour rounds can be used as self-defence during restock on a capture point. Also, there won't be a need wait for the reload once the ammo restock is complete, as the Marksman is ready to fight nearly instantly.
-Note that the DM23 APDS belt can only be a secondary belt. There is also a difference in effective range between normal belt and APDS belt. For some reason, AP-I shells can only fly up to 3km away and even radar will refuse to help aiming them past that range. This does not happen with APDS, allowing to snipe even as far as 5 km, at which range even radar itself is barely capable of keeping up the lock on.
+Note that the DM23 APDS belt can only be a secondary belt. There is also a difference in effective range between normal belt and APDS belt. For some reason, AP-I shells can only fly up to 3km away and even radar will refuse to help aiming them past that range. This does not happen with APDS, allowing to snipe even as far as 5 km, at which range even radar itself is barely capable of keeping up the lock on. The APDS belt is also completely invisible, allowing to suddenly snipe any aircraft that doesn't have RWR.
 Rearming of the belts takes 20 seconds, but it can only do two belts at once (regardless of the belt type). The implication is, if any one cannon overheated and the belts are no longer homogeneous, you can get both belt types for that one gun at once, but the tank will be stuck using just one cannon from then on.
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 ===Radars===
 {{main|Marconi S 400}}
-The Chieftain Marksman is equipped with a [[Marconi S 400]] search and tracking radar, mounted on top of the turret, at the rear. The radar system lacks track while scan but can track targets in a full 360° area around the turret (instead of just to the front of the turret).
+The Chieftain Marksman is equipped with a [[Marconi S 400]] search and tracking radar, mounted on top of the turret, at the rear. The radar system lacks track while scan but can find and track targets in a full 360° area around the turret (instead of just to the front of the turret). This radar also can lock onto anything it spotted by selecting targets on radar display and then pressing lock on button in third person view to save time (the turret turns towards the target on its own). This radar can be chaffed, so target should be destroyed before it can disrupt the lock.
 If you want to use radar to specifically try and "find" a target that is too far away to see, or do not want to alert the entire enemy air force of your existence, you can try to stop radar dish by using "change radar search mode" (not bound by default) and specifically look towards the direction aircrafts are expected to come from (the enemy airfield, for example). If the radar happens to detect them, they will appear on the radar screen, and you can lock onto them. However, the use of this option is severely limited due to the fact that planes rarely move in a straight line, so even if you try to snipe them from 4 km range, it will likely result in a miss, so the default search mode is generally better.
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 * '''Maus''': It's invulnerable. Best not to show up in parts of that map it controls.
 * '''Centauro''': This is the epitome of all tanks the Marksman wants to shoot at - it is mobile, can reach and flank your position in a minute and has scouting as well. Fortunately, it also has the armour of a light tank, so if you see it out of cover, drop your lock on and fire at it, before it hides away.
-* '''Helicopters''': While helicopters are slow and may look like an easy target, they can change direction of flight and throw off radar aim or try to drop altitude, avoiding shots from over two kilometres away, so keep checking where it is trying to turn or roll, instead of just firing at the radar aiming reticle. Also, due to the Marksman's cannon convergence, try to keep them away from you or spread shots horizontally, as it is not rare to only cut off weapon pylons off attack helicopter, but fail to actually disable its gunner/co-pilot, so if after critical hit on a helicopter or setting it on fire ATGM still flies directly at your SPAA, it is better to hide behind something. Rocket carpet bombing is also dangerous for the Marksman due to turret being very big, so try to move out of the way of the main volley, if only a bit - a close miss of weak rockets should fail to penetrate chieftain hull. If the support helicopter is trying to be smart and fires from exactly 3.5 km away and then backs off to avoid being hit by your main ammunition, start moving back as well and sacrifice the APDS belt to obliterate it. The radar will keep your aim true, so don't worry about accuracy during movement too much. After a certain point, helicopters acquire 8 km range ATGMs and outclass you entirely, which is when you have to swap to the next generation SPAA, especially in RB.
+* '''Helicopters''': While helicopters are slow and may look like an easy target, they can change direction of flight and throw off radar aim or try to drop altitude, avoiding shots from over two kilometres away, so keep checking where it is trying to turn or roll, instead of just firing at the radar aiming reticle. Also, due to the Marksman's cannon convergence, try to keep them away from you or spread shots horizontally, as it is not rare to only cut off weapon pylons off attack helicopter, but fail to actually disable its gunner/co-pilot, so if after critical hit on a helicopter or setting it on fire ATGM still flies directly at your SPAA, it is better to hide behind something. Any ATGM helicopters are best destroyed with a short burst of APDS before they can spot and evade you. The radar will keep your aim true, so don't worry about accuracy during movement too much. After a certain point, helicopters acquire 8 km range ATGMs and outclass you entirely, which is when you have to swap to the next generation SPAA, especially in RB.
 [[File:Radar shot marksman.jpg|thumb|300px|Radar makes hitting passive pilots extremely easy, and in Realistic Battle you can take them down with just 1 hit of explosive ammo. Even if it doesn't look like a fatal hit, it can eventually force plane to crash. In arcade mode radar guidance ensures you won't need to spend your entire ammunition trying to take down one bomber or ATGM helicopter.]]
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 * Secondary belts and near-instant reload allows for safer rearms compared to the [[Falcon]] and the [[M163]] Vulcan
 * Has a stable radar system with full 360° target tracking - it rarely ever needs to be manually locked on
-* Unlike the latter [[ZA-35]], can lock-on and fight through some trees, at the cost of triggering radar warning systems
+* Unlike the latter [[ZA-35]], can lock-on with radar display and lock through some trees, at the cost of triggering radar warning systems
 * Due to how tall this SPAA is, the APDS belt can breach weak spots of some tanks which rely on angled armour in a downtier

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened to '''{{Specs|pseudonym}}''') was one of the available chassis for the GEC Marconi Marksman turret system based on the British [[Chieftain (Family)|FV4201 Chieftain]]. The intention of Marconi Marksman was an anti-aircraft system solution by utilizing the existing fleets of obsolete tanks and upgrade them with a twin 35 mm turret, comparable to the Bundeswehr's [[Gepard]] and JGSDF's [[Type 87]]. The version based on Chieftain Mk 5 using Leyland L60 Mark 8A engine was tested by the British Army; the vehicle was not adopted by British Army but the turret system has been exported to Finland as the [[ItPsV 90]] with T-55AM and Leopard 2A4 chassis.[[File:Helisnipe marksman.jpg|thumb|You can snipe ATGM helicopters. However, do not waste ammo on agile support helicopters that move around a lot, even radar cannot predict their dodges from this far away.]]
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened to '''{{Specs|pseudonym}}''') was one of the available chassis for the GEC Marconi Marksman turret system based on the British [[Chieftain (Family)|FV4201 Chieftain]]. The intention of Marconi Marksman was an anti-aircraft system solution by utilizing the existing fleets of obsolete tanks and upgrade them with a twin 35 mm turret, comparable to the Bundeswehr's [[Gepard]] and JGSDF's [[Type 87]]. The version based on Chieftain Mk 5 using Leyland L60 Mark 8A engine was tested by the British Army; the vehicle was not adopted by British Army but the turret system has been exported to Finland as the [[ItPsV 90]] with T-55AM and Leopard 2A4 chassis.
 Introduced in [[Update 1.79 "Project X"]] as the earliest radar SPAA in British tech tree. Since [[Update 1.87 "Locked On"]], the radar also allows you to lock your turret to follow a specific target and to see a "true" targeting reticle, which will guarantee a hit up to 3 km range and, on some occasions even further, even if you don't have any modifications, unless the enemy aircraft changes course. It is ''very important'' to change the keybinding of the radar lock key (default "alt + F"), as radar won't reliably lock on to targets, due to "mouse pointer" mode from "alt" button.

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened to '''{{Specs|pseudonym}}''') was one of the available chassis for the GEC Marconi Marksman turret system based on the British [[Chieftain (Family)|FV4201 Chieftain]]. The intention of Marconi Marksman was an anti-aircraft system solution  by utilizing the existing fleets of obsolete tanks and upgrade them with a twin 35 mm turret, comparable to i.e. Bundeswehr's [[Gepard]] and JGSDF's [[Type 87]]. The version based on Chieftain Mk 5 using Leyland L60 Mark 8A engine was tested by the British Army; the vehicle didn't adopt by British Army but the turret system has been exported to Finland instead as the [[ItPsV 90]] with T-55AM and Leopard 2A4 chassis.[[File:Helisnipe marksman.jpg|thumb|You can snipe ATGM helicopters. However, do not waste ammo on agile support helicopters that move around a lot, even radar cannot predict their dodges from this far away.]]
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened to '''{{Specs|pseudonym}}''') was one of the available chassis for the GEC Marconi Marksman turret system based on the British [[Chieftain (Family)|FV4201 Chieftain]]. The intention of Marconi Marksman was an anti-aircraft system solution by utilizing the existing fleets of obsolete tanks and upgrade them with a twin 35 mm turret, comparable to the Bundeswehr's [[Gepard]] and JGSDF's [[Type 87]]. The version based on Chieftain Mk 5 using Leyland L60 Mark 8A engine was tested by the British Army; the vehicle was not adopted by British Army but the turret system has been exported to Finland as the [[ItPsV 90]] with T-55AM and Leopard 2A4 chassis.[[File:Helisnipe marksman.jpg|thumb|You can snipe ATGM helicopters. However, do not waste ammo on agile support helicopters that move around a lot, even radar cannot predict their dodges from this far away.]]
-Introduced in Update 1.79 "Project X" as the earliest radar SPAA in British tech tree ; Since [[Update 1.87 "Locked On"]], radar also allows you to lock your turret to follow a specific target and to see a "true" targeting reticle, which will guarantee a hit up to 3km range and, on some occasions even further, even if you don't have any modifications, unless the enemy aircraft changes course. It is ''very important'' to change the keybinding of the radar lock key (default "alt + F"), as radar won't reliably lock on to targets, due to "mouse pointer" mode from "alt" button.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.79 "Project X"]] as the earliest radar SPAA in British tech tree. Since [[Update 1.87 "Locked On"]], the radar also allows you to lock your turret to follow a specific target and to see a "true" targeting reticle, which will guarantee a hit up to 3 km range and, on some occasions even further, even if you don't have any modifications, unless the enemy aircraft changes course. It is ''very important'' to change the keybinding of the radar lock key (default "alt + F"), as radar won't reliably lock on to targets, due to "mouse pointer" mode from "alt" button.
 == General info ==
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 The guns can disable both tracks of the enemy vehicle at once at 300 m distance if facing the enemy's front. This allows the Marksman to escape and ask teammates to finish off the threat.
-Due to the belt limitations, the optimal playstyle is much less aggressive than the [[Falcon]]; however, the APDS belt is no joke, as every shell in it can penetrate about 100 mm of armour up to 500 m and up to 60 mm at 2,000 m at 30°. Laser rangefinder also ensures that Marksman volleys hit enemy tanks without failure. As such, weaker side armour on most rank V+ vehicles of all nations can be threatened by the Marksman from almost any range, and it only brings much more pain to light vehicles from afar.  Only [[:Category:USSR ground vehicles|Soviet tanks]] have decent enough armour on nearly all vehicles to negate its firepower in optimal weapon range.
+Due to the belt limitations, the optimal playstyle is much less aggressive than the [[Falcon]]; however, the APDS belt is no joke, as every shell in it can penetrate about 100 mm of armour up to 500 m and up to 60 mm at 2,000 m at 30°. Laser rangefinder also ensures that Marksman volleys hit enemy tanks without failure. As such, weaker side armour on most rank V+ vehicles of all nations can be threatened by the Marksman from almost any range, and it only brings much more pain to light vehicles from afar. Only [[:Category:USSR ground vehicles|Soviet tanks]] have decent enough armour on nearly all vehicles to negate its firepower in optimal weapon range.
 Guns still overheat in about 10 seconds and can put the Marksman out of fighting capability for half a minute. Avoid spray-and-pray tactics and let the cannons cool down at least for a bit between volleys.

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened to '''{{Specs|pseudonym}}''') is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British self-propelled anti-aircraft vehicle {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.79 "Project X"]].
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened to '''{{Specs|pseudonym}}''') was one of the available chassis for the GEC Marconi Marksman turret system based on the British [[Chieftain (Family)|FV4201 Chieftain]]. The intention of Marconi Marksman was an anti-aircraft system solution  by utilizing the existing fleets of obsolete tanks and upgrade them with a twin 35 mm turret, comparable to i.e. Bundeswehr's [[Gepard]] and JGSDF's [[Type 87]]. The version based on Chieftain Mk 5 using Leyland L60 Mark 8A engine was tested by the British Army; the vehicle didn't adopt by British Army but the turret system has been exported to Finland instead as the [[ItPsV 90]] with T-55AM and Leopard 2A4 chassis.[[File:Helisnipe marksman.jpg|thumb|You can snipe ATGM helicopters. However, do not waste ammo on agile support helicopters that move around a lot, even radar cannot predict their dodges from this far away.]]
+Introduced in Update 1.79 "Project X" as the earliest radar SPAA in British tech tree ; Since [[Update 1.87 "Locked On"]], radar also allows you to lock your turret to follow a specific target and to see a "true" targeting reticle, which will guarantee a hit up to 3km range and, on some occasions even further, even if you don't have any modifications, unless the enemy aircraft changes course. It is ''very important'' to change the keybinding of the radar lock key (default "alt + F"), as radar won't reliably lock on to targets, due to "mouse pointer" mode from "alt" button.
 == General info ==

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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (shortened to '''{{Specs|pseudonym}}''') is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British self-propelled anti-aircraft vehicle {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.79 "Project X"]].
-The Marksman looks like Chieftain tank hull with a giant boxy turret in the middle of it. The turret has a radar on the back of it and clearly visible handles with cannons on its front. The front has a distinctive double slope. There is no other such turret in-game and so it is very easy to identify. Technically, from behind the turret's shape may look a bit like the [[Gepard]], but it's gigantic in comparison.
+The Marksman looks like Chieftain tank hull with a giant boxy turret in the middle of it. The turret has a radar on the back of it and clearly visible handles with cannons on its front. The front has a distinctive double slope. The turret only exists on one other tank in-game, the Swedish ItPsV 90. Technically, from behind the turret's shape may look a bit like the [[Gepard]], but it's gigantic in comparison.
 Like with the [[Falcon]], the Marksman's role is hiding around the battlefield, shooting at planes and punishing unsuspecting ground opponents, however, it is much slower, so it does its job from about kilometre away or further, if possible.

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 Do not show the lower front plate to the enemy's tanks, as it's considerably weaker. Despite having better armour for hull, the Marksman is extremely slow for it, so keeping the enemy away from this vehicle is the key to making the most of the armour it have, even though most opponents will only fire at its turret.
-Generally, if turret doesn't break in a single hit, the crew is taken out in such order: Firstly the enemy does a precise shot at the bottom-left (vehicle's right) of the turret to take out the gunner, then fires at the opposite to take out tank commander. Turret may tank 20 mm autocannon shots, but only at about 1.2 km range, which is an acceptable duel range for the Marksman. Any non-stock combat SPAA's and light tanks, though, will breach it with no effort even from 3 km away.
+Generally, if turret doesn't break in a single hit, the crew is taken out in such order: Firstly the enemy does a precise shot at the bottom-left (vehicle's right) of the turret to take out the gunner, then fires at the opposite to take out tank commander.
 '''Armour type:''' <!-- The types of armour present on the vehicle and their general locations -->
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 The guns can disable both tracks of the enemy vehicle at once at 300 m distance if facing the enemy's front. This allows the Marksman to escape and ask teammates to finish off the threat.
-Due to the belt limitations, the optimal playstyle is much less aggressive than the [[Falcon]]; however, the APDS belt is no joke, as every shell in it can penetrate about 100 mm of armour up to 500 m and up to 60 mm at 2,000 m at 30°. As such, weaker side armour on most rank V+ vehicles of all nations can be threatened by the Marksman from almost any range, and it only brings much more pain to light vehicles from afar. Only [[:Category:USSR ground vehicles|Soviet tanks]] have decent enough armour on nearly all vehicles to negate its firepower in optimal weapon range.
+Due to the belt limitations, the optimal playstyle is much less aggressive than the [[Falcon]]; however, the APDS belt is no joke, as every shell in it can penetrate about 100 mm of armour up to 500 m and up to 60 mm at 2,000 m at 30°. Laser rangefinder also ensures that Marksman volleys hit enemy tanks without failure. As such, weaker side armour on most rank V+ vehicles of all nations can be threatened by the Marksman from almost any range, and it only brings much more pain to light vehicles from afar.  Only [[:Category:USSR ground vehicles|Soviet tanks]] have decent enough armour on nearly all vehicles to negate its firepower in optimal weapon range.
 Guns still overheat in about 10 seconds and can put the Marksman out of fighting capability for half a minute. Avoid spray-and-pray tactics and let the cannons cool down at least for a bit between volleys.
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 ! Gunner's Sight
-| X~7,5 - X~8 || N/A || N/A || N/A || Not Fitted ||
+| X3 - X10 || N/A || N/A || N/A || Not Fitted ||
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-| X6 || N/A || N/A || N/A || Not Fitted ||
+| X3 - X10 || N/A || N/A || N/A || Not Fitted ||
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 Use night vision to avoid hostile tanks or to fight them at close range at night. The image intensifier is not installed for gunner or commander, so be cautious when shifting between third person and other views during night.
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 While Chieftain Marksman gun convergence can allow its user to fire at targets in 3-rd person view and still hit a target, you have to use sniper scope to increase accuracy of radar aim, but keep [[SPAA_radars#Sensor_guidance_errors|sensor guidance errors]] in mind during this.
-Rely mostly on your radar when firing at night, but do not forget to check, if lock-on is stable, as it may wobble around the target at times.
+Commander sight can be used in AB/RB to fire weapons at super long range while only exposing the radar and optics, as otherwise "sniper optics" are located lower on cannon level. This does not make fighting much safer in general as the radar is still exposed, but can sometimes help when fighting tanks on high ground.
 ===Radars===
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 Using radar-assisted aim is advised since it's more accurate and can lead to hits at over 3 km range. To conserve ammo, however, do not just blindly follow it, especially in arcade, as arcade mode aircraft tend to dodge direct shots - do some short bursts around it. If you are standing on a frontline, remember that the Marksman is very tall and it is not rare for some tankers to get annoyed by your presence and try to shoot the radar off the turret, even if the turret itself is almost entirely behind cover and attack achieves nothing else, so try to move somewhere remotely safe if you are expecting an air raid.
-In arcade mode your combat ability is severely limited, due to many maps being 2 x 2 km wide at best, so on such maps you could try to train your crew with very high "keen vision", then try to camp enemy base entrances across the map, using the fact that your shells have little penetration falloff over distance and slight armour angling. This would require great map knowledge, though. As soon as enemy planes or attack helicopters appear, destroy them.
+In arcade mode your combat ability is severely limited, due to many maps being 2 x 2 km wide at best, so on such maps you could try to train your crew with very high "keen vision", then try to camp enemy base entrances across the map, using the fact that your shells have little penetration falloff over distance, laser rangefinder assistance and slight armour angling. This would require great map knowledge, though. If you do not have map knowledge or are quickly bored, try to follow some medium tanks and attack whoever tries to flank or got distracted by them, but be ready to suffer consequences if you fail. As soon as enemy planes or attack helicopters appear, destroy them.
 On big maps in arcade mode, keep in mind, that every sniper tank on enemy team might try to shoot in your direction, as soon as they are done destroying medium tanks, or if hostile light tank "scout" you. It is very hard to snipe planes from spawn on such maps, so try to secure some "trench line" in form of a hill, which you can use to follow your team even under sniper fire. Snipe lightly-armoured tanks back, if they expose themselves. Having high "keen vision" greatly helps at this as well.
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 * Guns produce a great effect upon shell contact on target, requiring only one or two hits to down a plane
-* Can fire effectively at longer ranges than [[Falcon]] and has radar guidance on top of that
+* Can fire effectively at longer ranges than [[Falcon]] and has laser rangefinder with radar guidance on top of that
 * Compared to [[Gepard]] and [[Type 87]] has relatively easy time shooting down planes even without use of a sniper scope
 * Secondary belts and near-instant reload allows for safer rearms compared to the [[Falcon]] and the [[M163]] Vulcan
 * Has a stable radar system with full 360° target tracking - it rarely ever needs to be manually locked on
 * Unlike the latter [[ZA-35]], can lock-on and fight through some trees, at the cost of triggering radar warning systems
 '''Cons:'''
-* Low mobility - it can't outrun most of its opponents and moving around the map at its rank can be a challenge in itself
+* Low mobility - it can't outrun most of its opponents and moving around the map at its rank can be a challenge in itself, eventually becomes obsolete because of this
 * LFP is a weak spot even for some light tanks, turret is lightly-armoured and is a big target for rockets and other explosives - keeping 1.3 km distance is crucial when fighting light tanks and other SPAA
 * Due to very tall profile it is an easy target, when compared to other SPAAs of the rank. it is hard to never show it to medium tanks or SPGs in order to avoid being destroyed by overpressure

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 Note that the DM23 APDS belt can only be a secondary belt. There is also a difference in effective range between normal belt and APDS belt. For some reason, AP-I shells can only fly up to 3km away and even radar will refuse to help aiming them past that range. This does not happen with APDS, allowing to snipe even as far as 5 km, at which range even radar itself is barely capable of keeping up the lock on.
-Rearming of the belts takes 20 seconds, but it can only do two belts at once (regardless of the belt type). The implication is, if any one cannon overheated and the belts are no longer homogenous, you can get both belt types for that one gun at once, but the tank will be stuck using just one cannon from then on.
+Rearming of the belts takes 20 seconds, but it can only do two belts at once (regardless of the belt type). The implication is, if any one cannon overheated and the belts are no longer homogeneous, you can get both belt types for that one gun at once, but the tank will be stuck using just one cannon from then on.
 * '''Default:''' {{Annotation|API-T*|Armour-piercing incendiary tracer (self-destroying)}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEI-T*|High-explosive incendiary tracer (self-destroying)}}
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 * '''DM23:''' {{Annotation|APDS|Armour-piercing discarding sabot}}
-'''Note''': Penetration statistics listed for the most powerful shell in the belt. HEI-T does no damage to armoured targets, but critically damages planes.
+{{:Oerlikon KDA (35 mm)/Ammunition|HEI-T*, API-T*, APDS}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====