Charioteer Mk VII - Revision history

U44629479: Edits

2024-07-16T18:51:02Z

Edits

U78375386: Added enemies to watch out for

2024-06-18T12:16:08Z

Added enemies to watch out for

U167614333: /* Usage in battles */

2024-04-17T23:34:45Z

‎Usage in battles

U167614333: /* Mobility */

2024-04-17T23:31:42Z

‎Mobility

U38088265: /* Main armament */

2024-04-14T11:05:44Z

‎Main armament

U118625207: /* Main armament */ update some penetration description

2023-03-14T06:13:21Z

‎Main armament: update some penetration description

U38088265: /* Ammo racks */

2023-02-16T09:41:29Z

‎Ammo racks

U129360012: /* Ammo racks */

2023-02-16T06:18:23Z

‎Ammo racks

U44629479: Added About template

2023-01-26T18:14:00Z

Added About template

U44629479: /* Ammunition */ Converted to transclusion

2023-01-20T20:58:21Z

‎Ammunition: Converted to transclusion

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 *The area where the machine gun port would be has an additional 63 mm of armour placed on it.
 * 3 internal structural plates of 5 mm thickness separate:
-**  the driver compartment in two,
+** the driver compartment in two,
 ** the driver compartment from the crew compartment,
 ** the crew compartment from the engine bay.
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 In urban maps, pre-aim before getting around corners since turret slewing rate is slow. One could also use its engine/transmission as an armour when ambushed: quick reaction shots will often "only" ignite the tank without damaging the crew too much, plus, if the shot is missed, you are already in a position to escape swiftly since frontwards speed is good. When zipping past an alley, blast a smoke screen to cover allies from enemy fire while shooting a hasty shot in the general direction of the enemy. Some enemies will turn their turret in order to protect themselves from flanking only to get shot by allied tanks. Your best weapons in close-range fights are both surprise and speed.
-'''Enemies to Note:'''
+;Enemies worth noting:
-* [[M41A1|M41]] Walker Bulldog
+* [[M41 Walker Bulldog (Family)]] Walker Bulldog - The M41 is a consistent threat from a number of tech trees, it is likely that there will be at least one on each team. What it lacks in sheer firepower compared to the Charioteer, it makes up for in gun handling and mobility. Since the Charioteer is thinly armoured, it poses a threat to you from any range. In a duel, the advantage is held by the M41 in a duel as it is a lot more reactive and can get a shot on you much more quickly and reliably retreat away from attacks. Try to remain undetected when fighting it and, when it is distracted, shoot centre-mass.
-** The M41 is a consistent threat from a number of decent tech trees, it is likely that there will be at least one on each team. What it lacks in sheer firepower compared to the Charioteer, it makes up for in gun handling and mobility. Since the Charioteer is so thinly armoured, it poses a threat to you from any range. This is not an issue in itself, as if the user can avoid being shot then the armour is not a problem to contend with. However, the advantage is held by the M41 in a duel as it is a lot more reactive and can get a shot on you much more quickly and reliably retreat away from attacks. Try to remain undetected when fighting it and, when it is distracted, shoot centre-mass.
+* [[T34]]/[[T29]] - These heavies are difficult to penetrate from the front, so do not engage them when the hull is facing you as you will not be able to reliably destroy them. If they are angled from the front in any way then shoot their front sprocket, the sides are so thinly armoured that the shot will travel straight through into the turret crew and, if not destroying them, will seriously cripple them.
-* [[BTR-80A|BTR-80]]
+* [[BTR-80A]] - The sheer speed and the amount of empty space in the BTR makes it almost impossible to deal with if the user is on open ground and, due to the poor gun handling of the Charioteer, can be easily overrun and shred to pieces. Remain undetected when it is around, and engage with extreme prejudice to avoid being detected.
-** The sheer speed and the amount of empty space in the BTR makes it almost impossible to deal with if the user is on open ground and, due to the poor gun handling of the Charioteer, means that it can be easily overrun and shred to pieces. Remain undetected when they are around, and engage with extreme prejudice to avoid being detected.
+* [[IS-3]] - The IS-3 is extremely well armoured, and has a few "red-herring" weak spots. The most obvious would be the lower front plate, however shooting this will only reliably knock the driver out. The same goes for the turret ring and turret cheeks, which will often catch the shot and do little to no damage. When facing the IS-3 in a head on, do your best to disable its gun and preferably after it has already fired. This will leave it out of the action for nearly a full minute which is ample time to deal with it. A shot into the side will easily dispatch it.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * Arguably the best turreted tank destroyer at Rank IV, with benefits of a medium tank (can call artillery)
 * Good smoke screen system with a useful spreading angle; great for retreats
-* Very low risk of fire due to rear mounted transmission and no fuel tanks on the front of the tank.
+* Very low risk of fire due to rear mounted transmission and no fuel tanks on the front of the tank
 '''Cons:'''

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	In urban maps, pre-aim before getting around corners since turret slewing rate is slow. One could also use its engine/transmission as an armour when ambushed: quick reaction shots will often "only" ignite the tank without damaging the crew too much, plus, if the shot is missed, you are already in a position to escape swiftly since frontwards speed is good. When zipping past an alley, blast a smoke screen to cover allies from enemy fire while shooting a hasty shot in the general direction of the enemy. Some enemies will turn their turret in order to protect themselves from flanking only to get shot by allied tanks. Your best weapons in close-range fights are both surprise and speed.		In urban maps, pre-aim before getting around corners since turret slewing rate is slow. One could also use its engine/transmission as an armour when ambushed: quick reaction shots will often "only" ignite the tank without damaging the crew too much, plus, if the shot is missed, you are already in a position to escape swiftly since frontwards speed is good. When zipping past an alley, blast a smoke screen to cover allies from enemy fire while shooting a hasty shot in the general direction of the enemy. Some enemies will turn their turret in order to protect themselves from flanking only to get shot by allied tanks. Your best weapons in close-range fights are both surprise and speed.
		+
		+	'''Enemies to Note:'''
		+
		+	* [[M41A1\|M41]] Walker Bulldog
		+	** The M41 is a consistent threat from a number of decent tech trees, it is likely that there will be at least one on each team. What it lacks in sheer firepower compared to the Charioteer, it makes up for in gun handling and mobility. Since the Charioteer is so thinly armoured, it poses a threat to you from any range. This is not an issue in itself, as if the user can avoid being shot then the armour is not a problem to contend with. However, the advantage is held by the M41 in a duel as it is a lot more reactive and can get a shot on you much more quickly and reliably retreat away from attacks. Try to remain undetected when fighting it and, when it is distracted, shoot centre-mass.
		+	* [[BTR-80A\|BTR-80]]
		+	** The sheer speed and the amount of empty space in the BTR makes it almost impossible to deal with if the user is on open ground and, due to the poor gun handling of the Charioteer, means that it can be easily overrun and shred to pieces. Remain undetected when they are around, and engage with extreme prejudice to avoid being detected.
		+	* [[T34]]/[[T29]]
		+	** These heavies are difficult to penetrate from the front, so do not engage it when the hull is facing you as you will not be able to reliably destroy it. If it is angled from the front in any way then shoot its front sprocket, the sides are so thinly armoured that the shot will travel straight through into the turret crew and, if not destroying it, will seriously cripple it.
		+	* [[IS-3]]
		+	** The IS-3 is extremely well armoured, and has a few 'red-herring' weak spots. The most obvious would be the lower front plate, however shooting this will only reliably kill the driver. The same goes for the turret ring and turret cheeks, which will often catch the shot and do little to no damage. When facing the IS-3 in a head on, do your best to disable its gun and preferably after it has already fired. This will leave it out of the action for nearly a full minute which is ample time to deal with it. A shot into the side will easily dispatch of it.

	=== Pros and cons ===		=== Pros and cons ===

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 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-The Charioteer, as with most western tank destroyer, is fitted with a very powerful gun, has good mobility, but is very lightly armoured. As such, it is best to play with its mobility to evade the enemy until the opportune moment. As it uses the same hull as a Cromwell, the reverse speed is atrocious that can make any withdrawal very hard once discovered by the enemy. It is recommended that the Charioteer be used with the forward movement more often, and back up by rotating the entire vehicle before whistling away since the armour back and front is inadequate to deal with any of the tanks you face at its battle rating.
+The Charioteer, as with most western tank destroyers, is fitted with a very powerful gun, has good mobility, but is very lightly armoured. As such, it is best to play with its mobility to evade the enemy until the opportune moment. As it uses the same hull as a Cromwell, the reverse speed is atrocious that can make any withdrawal very hard once discovered by the enemy. It is recommended that the Charioteer be used with the forward movement more often, and back up by rotating the entire vehicle before whistling away since the armour back and front is inadequate to deal with any of the tanks you face at its battle rating.
 '''Flanking'''

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 {{tankMobility|abMinHp=930|rbMinHp=531}}
-As said earlier, the {{PAGENAME}} share the hull of a typical Cromwell tank featuring 5 wheels on each side (not like the [[Avenger]] or [[Challenger]], which have the lengthened 6-wheeled chassis). For any experimented British tanker, this tank will be very familiar as it shares the mobility with its predecessors, with maybe a little loss in power due to heavier weight. A negative aspect of the {{PAGENAME}} is its extremely poor reverse speed: only -3 km/h.
+As said earlier, the {{PAGENAME}} share the hull of a typical Cromwell tank featuring 5 wheels on each side (not like the [[Avenger]] or [[Challenger]], which have the lengthened 6-wheeled chassis). For any experienced British tanker, this tank will be very familiar as it shares the mobility with its predecessors, with maybe a little loss in power due to heavier weight. A negative aspect of the {{PAGENAME}} is its extremely poor reverse speed: only -3 km/h.
 === Modifications and economy ===

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 <!-- ''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.'' -->
 {{main|20pdr OQF Mk.I (84 mm)}}
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 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 25 || rowspan="2" | -5°/+10° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 17.1 || 23.7 || 28.8 || 31.9 || 33.9 || rowspan="2" | 8.19 || rowspan="2" | 7.25 || rowspan="2" | 6.68 || rowspan="2" | 6.30
+| rowspan="2" | 25 || rowspan="2" | -5°/+10° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | - || 19.0 || 26.4 || 32.0 || 35.4 || 37.6 || rowspan="2" | 8.19 || rowspan="2" | 7.25 || rowspan="2" | 6.68 || rowspan="2" | 6.30
 |-
 ! ''Realistic''
-| 10.7 || 12.6 || 15.3 || 16.9 || 18.0
+| 11.9 || 14.0 || 17.0 || 18.8 || 20.0
 |-
 |}
 ==== Ammunition ====
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 <!-- ''Offensive and anti-aircraft machine guns not only allow you to fight some aircraft but also are effective against lightly armoured vehicles. Evaluate machine guns and give recommendations on its use.'' -->
 {{main|L3A1 (7.62 mm)}}
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 ! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
 |-
-| Coaxial || 5,000 (250) || 500 || N/A || N/A
+| Coaxial || 5,000 (250) || 500 || - || -
 |-
 |}
 == Usage in battles ==

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-The {{PAGENAME}} carries an 84 mm 20pdr gun in a lightly armoured turret protected only with 30 mm RHA box. As the gun is very consequent, the turret traverse is quite slow so one should have to preventively aim towards a corner before going around it. The high penetration power of the gun compensates the poor slewing rate. Plus, even the stock shells has as much penetration as the [[QF 17-pounder (76 mm)|76 mm QF 17pdr]]'s APDS shell found on other Rank III tanks, this only gets better with the upgraded APDS shot, which can pierce up to 262 mm of armour at 500 m distance (or a [[Tiger II (H)]]'s UFP at point-blank range).
+The {{PAGENAME}} carries an 84 mm 20pdr gun in a lightly armoured turret protected only with 30 mm RHA box. As the gun is very consequent, the turret traverse is quite slow so one should have to preventively aim towards a corner before going around it. The high penetration power of the gun compensates the poor slewing rate. Plus, even the stock shells has as much penetration as the [[QF 17-pounder (76 mm)|76 mm QF 17pdr]]'s APDS shell found on other Rank III tanks, this only gets better with the upgraded APDS shot, which can pierce up to 363 mm of armour at 500 m distance (or a [[Tiger II (H)]]'s UFP at point-blank range).
 The tank commander has the ability to control the weapon if the gunner is knocked out, which is very unusual at the rank and might allow to aggressively trade shots, or even straight up rush some tanks in AB.

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 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
 [[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
-<!-- '''Last updated:''' -->
+<!-- '''Last updated: 2.23.1.33''' -->
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 ! Visual<br>discrepancy
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-| '''25''' || 17&nbsp;''(+8)'' || 9&nbsp;''(+16)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+24)'' || No
+| '''25''' || 21&nbsp;''(+4)'' || 11&nbsp;''(+14)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+24)'' || No
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=uk_charioteer_mk_7 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

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		+	{{About
		+	\| about = British medium tank '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
		+	\| usage = the Swedish version
		+	\| link = Charioteer Mk VII (Sweden)
		+	}}
	{{Specs-Card		{{Specs-Card
	\|code=uk_charioteer_mk_7		\|code=uk_charioteer_mk_7