Challenger 3 TD - Revision history

U44629479: /* Media */ Added skins

2024-04-28T15:58:44Z

‎Media: Added skins

U38088265: Added data

2024-04-14T11:04:10Z

Added data

U28580205: also reinserted the history section

2024-02-05T02:43:13Z

also reinserted the history section

U28580205: Readded some details from previous edit to empty sections

2024-02-05T02:35:50Z

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U44629479: Undo revision 180296 by U53964580 (talk)

2024-01-12T06:32:08Z

Undo revision 180296 by U53964580 (talk)

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U53964580: updated a number of categories, armour layout, usage in battles, pros and cons, history etc. Previously there were only editing prompts/filler there.

2024-01-11T23:21:18Z

updated a number of categories, armour layout, usage in battles, pros and cons, history etc. Previously there were only editing prompts/filler there.

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U42773747: /* Pros and cons */ Now that the guy mentioned it, the roof is almost comically weak to overpressure. Added some additional points which are actually rather concerning, at least to me. Edit them out if they sound irrelevant to you.

2024-01-07T23:05:13Z

‎Pros and cons: Now that the guy mentioned it, the roof is almost comically weak to overpressure. Added some additional points which are actually rather concerning, at least to me. Edit them out if they sound irrelevant to you.

U44629479: /* Media */ Added Shooting Range episode

2024-01-07T18:09:31Z

‎Media: Added Shooting Range episode

U44629479: /* Media */ Added Shooting Range episode

2024-01-06T20:47:30Z

‎Media: Added Shooting Range episode

U44629479: Edits

2024-01-06T20:46:30Z

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 == Media ==
 <!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
 ;Videos
 {{Youtube-gallery|OHeVZEC8Szc|'''The Shooting Range #388''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 03:51 discusses the {{PAGENAME}}.|4juJrYOVpCQ|'''The Shooting Range #386''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:54 discusses the {{PAGENAME}}.}}

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 {{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}
 <!-- ''Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and manoeuvrability, as well as the maximum speed forwards and backwards.'' -->
-The Challenger 3 (TD) uses a similar engine to the Challenger 2E, the Perkins CV12-6A. This engine pumps out 1500HP of power on a chassis slightly heavier than the 2E, accounting for the new 120mm gun. This is the same as the Euro Power Pack you have in the Challenger 2E, which also has 1500HP. Mobility is much the same as the 2E, you may notice a slight decrease in acceleration and top speed, but ultimately the  difference is trivial.
+The Challenger 3 (TD) uses a similar engine to the Challenger 2E, the Perkins CV12-6A. This engine pumps out 1,500 HP of power on a chassis slightly heavier than the 2E, accounting for the new 120 mm gun. This is the same as the Euro Power Pack in the Challenger 2E, which also has 1,500 HP. Mobility is much the same as the 2E, you may notice a slight decrease in acceleration and top speed, but ultimately the difference is trivial.
-{{tankMobility}}
+{{tankMobility|abMinHp=2,325|rbMinHp=1,327}}
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 {{main|Rh120 L/55 A1 (120 mm)}}
-Challenger users will be pleased to know the Challenger 3 (TD) has a new trick up its sleeve in comparison to the previous Challenger line - the Rh120mm L/55 A1 gun. This is a Rheinmetall 120mm smoothbore cannon, the same as found on the Leopard 2A7V. This allows the Challenger 3 (TD) to use NATO standard ammunition, and more pointedly, DM53 ammunition once unlocked. DM53 is a dramatic improvement over the previous L27A1, and you will notice a stark difference in your ability to punch through even the heaviest armour effectively. The gun is an upgrade in virtually all areas - velocity, penetration power on both flat and angled surfaces, the amount of spalling generated, accuracy, etc.
+Challenger users will be pleased to know the Challenger 3 (TD) has a new trick up its sleeve in comparison to the previous Challenger line - the Rh120mm L/55 A1 gun. This is a Rheinmetall 120 mm smoothbore cannon, the same as found on the Leopard 2A7V. This allows the Challenger 3 (TD) to use NATO standard ammunition, and more pointedly, DM53 ammunition once unlocked. DM53 is a dramatic improvement over the previous L27A1, and you will notice a stark difference in your ability to punch through even the heaviest armour effectively. The gun is an upgrade in virtually all areas - velocity, penetration power on both flat and angled surfaces, the amount of spalling generated, accuracy, etc.
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 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 37 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+20° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Two-plane || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__
+| rowspan="2" | 37 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+20° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | Two-plane || 29.5 || 40.8 || 49.6 || 54.9 || 58.4 || rowspan="2" | 7.80 || rowspan="2" | 6.90 || rowspan="2" | 6.36 || rowspan="2" | 6.00
 |-
 ! ''Realistic''
-| __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
+| 18.4 || 21.7 || 26.4 || 29.2 || 31.0
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 The other, more hidden benefit, of the Challenger 3 (TD) as mentioned above is the ready rack. Gone are the much-maligned 4 shell racks of the previous Challengers, this one has a ready rack of 15 shells! Not only that, they are positioned neatly at the back of the turret, with blowout panels behind. Taking 16 shells will mean none whatsoever in the hull, and the ones in the turret will be much more survivable to kill-shots compared to any previous Challenger model.
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 {{main|L94A1 (7.62 mm)}}
-The Challenger 3 TD only comes with a single 7.62 coaxial machinegun operated by the gunner/commander.
+The Challenger 3 TD only comes with a single 7.62 mm coaxial machine gun operated by the gunner/commander.
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 ! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
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-| || ___ (___) || ___ || __° || __°
+| Coaxial || 4,000 (2,000) || 600 || - || -
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 === Pros and cons ===
 <!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->
 '''Pros:'''
 * Gains German gun seen on Leopard 2A7V with corresponding ammunition (significantly better than default ammunition of challenger 2)
 * Retains some features from Black Night - the LWS and commander thermal scope
 * Retains most pros of the base challenger 2, except for the inert ammo rack and spall liners on the turret roof
 ** Slightly better acceleration than the base challenger 2, but same speed
 * No random ammo racks everywhere in the hull, major ammo racks are placed behind the toughest plates in the entire tank (at least, when attacked from the front)
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 * Vast majority of HE can obliterate it by hitting the constructs below commander optics which isn't too difficult to hit. In fact, the turret roof can be overpressured even by the weakest HEAT ATGM due to the lack of HE protection
 * No longer immune to overpenetrating turret ammo rack shot, as ammunition is no longer inert, either destroying it instantly or burning all of its ready ammo rack
 ** The reload after emptying ready rack is 31 seconds (assuming the loader is still alive) and the ready rack will not start filling up until the gun reload is completed (effectively putting the tank out of order for a minute), unless assisted by a capture point
 * Retains some of the weaknesses of the base challenger 2:
 ** Same unreliable mantlet armour

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 == History ==
 <!-- ''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).'' -->
-''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''
 == Media ==

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 {{main|L94A1 (7.62 mm)}}
-''Offensive and anti-aircraft machine guns not only allow you to fight some aircraft but also are effective against lightly armoured vehicles. Evaluate machine guns and give recommendations on its use.''
+The Challenger 3 TD only comes with a single 7.62 coaxial machinegun operated by the gunner/commander.
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
 === Pros and cons ===

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 * Gains German gun seen on Leopard 2A7V with corresponding ammunition (significantly better than default ammunition of challenger 2)
 * Retains some features from Black Night - the LWS and commander thermal scope
-* Retains most pros of the base challenger 2, except for the inert ammo rack
+* Retains most pros of the base challenger 2, except for the inert ammo rack and spall liners on the turret roof
 ** Slightly better acceleration than the base challenger 2, but same speed
 * No random ammo racks everywhere in the hull, major ammo racks are placed behind the toughest plates in the entire tank (at least, when attacked from the front)
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 '''Cons:'''
-* Vast majority of Soviet HE can obliterate it by hitting the constructs below commander optics
+* Vast majority of HE can obliterate it by hitting the constructs below commander optics which isn't too difficult to hit. In fact, the turret roof can be overpressured even by the weakest HEAT ATGM due to the lack of HE protection
 * No longer immune to overpenetrating turret ammo rack shot, as ammunition is no longer inert, either destroying it instantly or burning all of its ready ammo rack
 * Retains some of the weaknesses of the base challenger 2:
 ** Same unreliable mantlet armour
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 ** Hull will not sustain direct hits well as usual and has no special armour for glancing hits like competition
 * Ballistic markings on the British sight do not fit into the scope when fully zoomed (x10 mode) with APFSDS selected, commander has to dezoom a bit every time to see the ranges properly or just give up and spam laser rangefinder (subsequently spooking enemies with LWS)
 == History ==

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 <!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
 ;Videos
-{{Youtube-gallery|4juJrYOVpCQ|'''The Shooting Range #386''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:54 discusses the {{PAGENAME}}.}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|OHeVZEC8Szc|'''The Shooting Range #388''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 03:51 discusses the {{PAGENAME}}.|4juJrYOVpCQ|'''The Shooting Range #386''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 00:54 discusses the {{PAGENAME}}.}}
 == See also ==