CL-13 Mk.4 - Revision history

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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Italian jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.91 "Night Vision"]].
+In 1949, Canada wanted a new fighter to supplement its growing air force. The F-86 Sabre was a good option, but the Canadian government didn't want to have another American aircraft in service. As a compromise, Canada received a license to build their own Sabres and thus birthed the Canadair Sabre. The Mk.4 was originally intended to have Canada's own engine in place of the J47-GE-13; the Avro Canada Orenda 10. It would've been a substantial improvement over the J47 but it wasn't ready by the time the Mk.4 was introduced and as such, the J47 was kept in. Other than minor changes like the compass, it was largely the same as the Canadair Sabre Mk.2. Italy would end up receiving over 170 Mk.4 Sabres from the Royal Air Force and continued to use them until the F-104 Starfighter began service with the Italian Air force.
 == General info ==
 === Flight performance ===

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 * Due to the wide air frame, the guns are hard to use at their optimal range (sub 500m)
 * Prone to exceeding its wing overload limit
 == History ==

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 {{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.'' -->
 * 6.35 mm steel - in front of pilot
 * 38 mm bulletproof glass
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 * Magnificent roll rate
 * Can carry ground attack ordnance, better bombload than the [[G.91 pre-serie]] and [[G.91 R/1]]
 '''Cons:'''
 * General Electric J47-GE-13 engine shared by the [[F-86A-5|A-5]] is the weakest of any Sabre, substandard climb and acceleration
-* Weak armament
+* Weak armament - ineffective for the BR and small windows for opportunity
 * Prone to exceeding its wing overload limit
 == History ==
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=f-86_cl_13_mk4_italy Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Related development
 * Canadair [[F-86 (Family)|Sabres]]
 ** [[CL-13A Mk 5]]
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 ;Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era
 * Grumman [[F9F-8|F9F]] Cougar
 * Lavochkin [[La-15]]
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 == External links ==
 ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.''

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 {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
-{{main|AN-M65A1 Fin M129 (1,000 lb)|HVAR}}
+{{main|M117 cone 45 (750 lb)|AN-M65A1 Fin M129 (1,000 lb)|HVAR}}
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
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 * Without load
 * 16 x HVAR rockets
 * 2 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 Fin M129 bombs (2,000 lb total)

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 {{About
 | about = Italian jet fighter '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
-| usage = other uses
+| usage = other versions
 | link = F-86 (Family)
 }}
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 The CL-13 Mk.4 is held back by its poor engine performance and is not as good at energy fighting as the MiG-15, for example, but going all-in on close quarters turnfighting may not end well either. It is rather contradictory; it turns well but bleeds energy while doing so, and it accelerates poorly but holds onto speed quite well outside of wild manoeuvring or hard vertical manoeuvres.
-Playing as a support fighter can mean many things, but for the most part it involves waiting for teammates to start engagements and jumping in later to pick off distracted enemies. This is not the most glamorous of playstyles, but charging into battle will usually result in being sent back to the hangar very quickly. At the start of the match, try to pick up some speed at low altitude to help the Sabre accelerate as best as it can, preferably somewhat off to the side. Once sufficient speed is attained (perhaps at around 800 kph), zoom climb up to medium altitude, level out, and start flying towards the center of the map. At this point, first contact should have been made with the enemy team and there will likely be a sizeable furball. Begin performing gentle boom-and-zoom attacks against low-energy opponents if there are not too many opponents looming above you. If an enemy gets on your six, use the excellent roll rate to dodge fire as best as possible and head towards teammates for assistance. Once your energy has been expended, try to extend away and regain altitude.
+Playing as a support fighter can mean many things, but for the most part it involves waiting for teammates to start engagements and jumping in later to pick off distracted enemies. This is not the most glamorous of playstyles, but charging into battle will usually result in being sent back to the hangar very quickly. At the start of the match, try to pick up some speed at low altitude to help the Sabre accelerate as best as it can, preferably somewhat off to the side. Once sufficient speed is attained (perhaps at around 800 km/h), zoom climb up to medium altitude, level out, and start flying towards the center of the map. At this point, first contact should have been made with the enemy team and there will likely be a sizeable furball. Begin performing gentle boom-and-zoom attacks against low-energy opponents if there are not too many opponents looming above you. If an enemy gets on your six, use the excellent roll rate to dodge fire as best as possible and head towards teammates for assistance. Once your energy has been expended, try to extend away and regain altitude.
 Turnfighting can often work since this Sabre is very nimble, but don't keep it up for long unless you are certain that it will secure a kill. Dumping all of your energy will make you a very easy target for enemy guns and missiles and regaining energy is difficult. Think twice before chasing enemies into vertical manoeuvres; the poor thrust-to-weight is unhelpful and the Mk.4 lacks missiles to shove up a stall-climbing target's tailpipe.
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 '''Pros:'''
 * Decent speed for its rank
 * Magnificent roll rate
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 '''Cons:'''
 * General Electric J47-GE-13 engine shared by the [[F-86A-5|A-5]] is the weakest of any Sabre, substandard climb and acceleration
 * Weak armament
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 == Media ==
-''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
+<!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
 == See also ==
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 * ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
 ;Related development
+* Canadair [[F-86 (Family)|Sabres]]
-* Canadair [[F-86 (Family)|Sabre]] (those Sabres manufactured with the designator "CL")
+** [[CL-13A Mk 5]]
-* North American [[F-86 (Family)|F-86A/F]]
+** [[CL-13B Mk.6]]
 ;Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era
+* Grumman [[F9F-8|F9F]] Cougar
 * Lavochkin [[La-15]]
 * Mikoyan-Gurevich [[MiG-15]]
 * Mikoyan-Gurevich [[MiG-17]]
 * Saab [[J29D|J29]] Tunnan
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 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.''
 {{AirManufacturer Canadair}}
 {{Italy jet aircraft}}

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 ! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
 |-
-| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 590 || 550 || 350 || ~11 || ~6
+| 1,118 <!-- {{Specs|destruction|body}} --> || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 590 || 550 || 350 || ~11 || ~6
 |-
 |}
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 Overall, flying the Mk.4 is a tricky affair. It has some parity with other early swept wing jets and it can outmanoeuvre most of its opponents, but said opponents can include jets with afterburners and missiles. There is really not much that the Mk.4 can do against supersonic jets like the [[F-100A (China)|F-100A]] unless they are very low on energy or are foolish enough to engage in a turnfight. The Mach 2 capable [[Lightning F.6|English Electric Lightning]] in particular has nearly 5 times the climb rate and is practically untouchable. Leave these targets for your teammates, who are hopefully better equipped than you, and find other enemies to engage.
-===Radars===
+=== Radars ===
 <!--{{main|AN/APG-30}}-->
 The CL-13 Mk.4 is equipped with an AN/APG-30 rangefinding radar, located in the nose of the aircraft.

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 |-
 ! colspan="2" | Engine name || Number
-! colspan="2" | Empty mass || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
+! colspan="2" | {{Annotation|Basic mass|Mass of the aircraft with pilot and engine oil, but no fuel or weapons load}} || colspan="3" | Wing loading (full fuel)
 |-
 | colspan="2" | General Electric J47-GE-13 || 1
-| colspan="2" | 4,940 kg || colspan="3" | 233 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
+| colspan="2" | 5,042 kg || colspan="3" | 236 kg/m<sup>2</sup>
 |-
 ! colspan="3" | Engine characteristics
-! colspan="4" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff<br/>Weight
+! colspan="4" | Mass with fuel (no weapons load) || rowspan="2" | Max Takeoff<br>Weight
 |-
 ! Weight (each) || colspan="2" | Type
-! 10m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 33m fuel
+! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 31m fuel
 |-
 | 1,145 kg || colspan="2" | Axial-flow turbojet
-| 5,341 kg || 5,730 kg || 6,119 kg || 6,236 kg || 9,530 kg
+| 5,427 kg || 5,846 kg || 6,248 kg || 6,326 kg || 9,530 kg
 |-
-! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB / SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
+! colspan="3" | {{Annotation|Maximum engine thrust @ 0 m (RB/SB)|The maximum thrust produced by each engine, while mounted in the aircraft. NOTE: Thrust varies significantly depending on speed & altitude.}}
 ! colspan="5" | Thrust to weight ratio @ 0 m (100%)
 |-
 ! Condition || 100% || WEP
-! 10m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 33m fuel || MTOW
+! 9m fuel || 20m fuel || 30m fuel || 31m fuel || MTOW
 |-
 | ''Stationary'' || 2,273 kgf || N/A
-| 0.43 || 0.40 || 0.37 || 0.36 || 0.24
+| 0.42 || 0.39 || 0.36 || 0.36 || 0.24
 |-
-| ''Optimal'' || 2,273 kgf<br/>(0 km/h) || N/A
+| ''Optimal'' || 2,273 kgf<br>(0 km/h) || N/A
-| 0.43 || 0.40 || 0.37 || 0.36 || 0.24
+| 0.42 || 0.39 || 0.36 || 0.36 || 0.24
 |-
 |}

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 ! colspan="4" | AN/APG-30 - Rangefinding radar
 |-
-! {{Annotation|Maximum<br/>Detection<br/>Range|The maximum possible range at which a target can be detected}}
+! {{Annotation|Maximum<br/>Tracking<br/>Range|The maximum range at which a target can be tracked}}
-! {{Annotation|Guaranteed<br/>Detection<br/>Range|The range, below which, detection of a target is practically guaranteed}}
+! {{Annotation|Minimum<br/>Tracking<br/>Range|The range below which targets cannot be tracked by the radar}}
-! {{Annotation|Max Azimuth<br/>Scan Angle|How far to each side the radar can scan (widest search mode)}}
+! {{Annotation|Azimuth Tracking<br/>Angle|How far to each side the radar can track a target}}
-! {{Annotation|Max Elevation<br/>Scan Angle|How far up and down the radar can scan (widest search mode)}}
+! {{Annotation|Elevation Tracking<br/>Angle|How far up and down the radar can track a target}}
 |-
 | 2,750 m || 300 m || ±9° || ±9°

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	Overall, flying the Mk.4 is a tricky affair. It has some parity with other early swept wing jets and it can outmanoeuvre most of its opponents, but said opponents can include jets with afterburners and missiles. There is really not much that the Mk.4 can do against supersonic jets like the [[F-100A (China)\|F-100A]] unless they are very low on energy or are foolish enough to engage in a turnfight. The Mach 2 capable [[Lightning F.6\|English Electric Lightning]] in particular has nearly 5 times the climb rate and is practically untouchable. Leave these targets for your teammates, who are hopefully better equipped than you, and find other enemies to engage.		Overall, flying the Mk.4 is a tricky affair. It has some parity with other early swept wing jets and it can outmanoeuvre most of its opponents, but said opponents can include jets with afterburners and missiles. There is really not much that the Mk.4 can do against supersonic jets like the [[F-100A (China)\|F-100A]] unless they are very low on energy or are foolish enough to engage in a turnfight. The Mach 2 capable [[Lightning F.6\|English Electric Lightning]] in particular has nearly 5 times the climb rate and is practically untouchable. Leave these targets for your teammates, who are hopefully better equipped than you, and find other enemies to engage.
		+
		+	===Radars===
		+	<!--{{main\|AN/APG-30}}-->
		+	The CL-13 Mk.4 is equipped with an AN/APG-30 rangefinding radar, located in the nose of the aircraft.
		+	It will automatically detect other planes within the scanning area and display the range to the closest target. It is linked with a gyro gunsight and can help with aiming at close range.
		+
		+	{\| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
		+	! colspan="4" \| AN/APG-30 - Rangefinding radar
		+	\|-
		+	! {{Annotation\|Maximum<br/>Detection<br/>Range\|The maximum possible range at which a target can be detected}}
		+	! {{Annotation\|Guaranteed<br/>Detection<br/>Range\|The range, below which, detection of a target is practically guaranteed}}
		+	! {{Annotation\|Max Azimuth<br/>Scan Angle\|How far to each side the radar can scan (widest search mode)}}
		+	! {{Annotation\|Max Elevation<br/>Scan Angle\|How far up and down the radar can scan (widest search mode)}}
		+	\|-
		+	\| 2,750 m \|\| 300 m \|\| ±9° \|\| ±9°
		+	\|-
		+	\|}

	=== Pros and cons ===		=== Pros and cons ===