CA Lorraine - Revision history

U74396666: New Description Project - France Priority: Canon d'Assaut Lorraine de 100 mm

2023-10-22T10:33:44Z

New Description Project - France Priority: Canon d'Assaut Lorraine de 100 mm

U44629479: /* Ammunition */ Converted to transclusion

2023-01-24T18:01:47Z

‎Ammunition: Converted to transclusion

U44629479: /* Media */ Removed dead video

2023-01-11T21:25:03Z

‎Media: Removed dead video

U38088265: /* Main armament */ Updated

2022-05-20T15:56:07Z

‎Main armament: Updated

U44629479: Edits

2022-04-30T11:11:07Z

Edits

U46924978: /* Armaments */ corrected BR. 6.3 -> 6.0

2022-04-30T10:43:36Z

‎Armaments: corrected BR. 6.3 -> 6.0

U38088265: /* Main armament */ Updated

2022-04-02T12:40:33Z

‎Main armament: Updated

U38088265: Updated format

2020-12-28T17:01:05Z

Updated format

U36063762 at 09:23, 28 December 2020

2020-12-28T09:23:48Z

U44629479: /* Ammo racks */ Updated Last update note

2020-12-21T18:19:28Z

‎Ammo racks: Updated Last update note

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (100 mm Lorraine assault gun), or abbreviated '''{{specs|pseudonym}}''', is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]]. It presents a very classic TD design: Casemate gun platform and powerful armament. While lacking in terms of armour, it compensates with both excellent mobility and a very strong gun.
+The '''Canon d'Assaut Lorraine de 100 mm''' is a French prototype tank destroyer based on the [[AMX M4|AMX M4 medium tank]] project's chassis. Following World War II, the French Army launched several programs to replace their antiquated tanks. The Lorraine company was charged with developing a light tank destroyer. The Canon d'Assaut Lorraine used Veil-Picard pneumatic tires instead of regular road wheels, which reduced the vehicle's ground pressure. Another advantage of the tires is that even if the tracks are destroyed, the vehicle can continue to operate. The prototype was started in 1950 but did not finish until 1952. The project was cancelled in 1953. The expertise gained by developing the Canon d'Assaut Lorraine would eventually serve as the foundation for other Lorraine initiatives.
-The CA Lorraine is an intermediate between a [[SU-85]] and a lowered [[Jagdpanther]]. It is distinguishable for having rubber road wheels instead of metal ones, two huge fans atop the engine deck (much like the German Jagdpanther), a very pointy gun mantlet pointing outwards from the casemate and quite a large, rounded commander's cupola. In some ways, it is quite similar to the fearsome [[AMX-50 Foch|AMX 50 ''Foch'']], and this can scare away some cowardly foes.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]], the Canon d'Assaut Lorraine de 100 mm is a versatile tank destroyer that may be deployed in a variety of ways, although it will always rely on its speed. In terms of maximum speed, cross-country speed, turn time, neutral steering, and reverse speed, this tank destroyer is among the most agile in its class. It should not, however, be utilized as an assault tank leading the attack against the enemy. As there is no turret, players should avoid close-up combat with adversaries. Use it mostly to ambush foes by flanking them early in battles. Since the vehicle has incredibly weak armour overall, you should always reposition after firing.
 == General info ==
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_lorraine_100 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Vehicles equipped with the same chassis
 * [[Lorraine 155 Mle.50]]
 ;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role
 * [[Jagdpanther]] / [[Bfw. Jagdpanther]]
 * [[SU-100]]

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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:SA47 L/58 (100 mm)/Ammunition|100 mm Obus de rupture, 100 mm Obus explosif}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 ;Videos
-{{Youtube-gallery|wSIXMQ0Gln4|'''The {{PAGENAME}}, French, Tier-4, Tank Destroyer''' - ''Angry Nerd Gaming''|Gv-Fm4s2iwM|'''{{PAGENAME}} - Fun, Fast 'n Furious''' - ''Napalmratte''|7NYlllBDHY8|'''{{PAGENAME}} Tank Review''' - ''NUSensei''}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|wSIXMQ0Gln4|'''The CA Lorraine, French, Tier-4, Tank Destroyer''' - ''Angry Nerd Gaming''|Gv-Fm4s2iwM|'''CA Lorraine - Fun, Fast 'n Furious''' - ''Napalmratte''}}
 == See also ==

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 This gun platform uses the usual French rank IV 100 mm SA47 L/58 cannon with a twist: it has no autoloader mechanism, hence making reload time twice as long. However, at its battle rating, the gun packs an awesome 300 mm of penetration that ensures it can punch well above its own rank. The large shell calibre also means it can create quite a lot of fragments inside a tank, making the lack of explosive filler not so bad, as long as you land a good hit.
-Keep that in mind as your foes get closer and closer to you: these precious 15 seconds of reload time are the perfect time to intent a frontal attack, even more so since you don't have automatic firepower of any form. Always have a backup plan, in case your single shot doesn't fully disable your target.
+Keep that in mind as your foes get closer and closer to you: these precious 11 seconds of reload time are the perfect time to intent a frontal attack, even more so since you don't have automatic firepower of any form. Always have a backup plan, in case your single shot doesn't fully disable your target.
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 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 40 || rowspan="2" | -6°/+16° || rowspan="2" | ±9° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 5.3 || 7.3 || 8.9 || 9.8 || 10.4 || rowspan="2" | 13.65 || rowspan="2" | 12.08 || rowspan="2" | 11.13 || rowspan="2" | 10.50
+| rowspan="2" | 40 || rowspan="2" | -6°/+16° || rowspan="2" | ±9° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 5.3 || 7.3 || 8.9 || 9.8 || 10.4 || rowspan="2" | 11.18 || rowspan="2" | 9.89 || rowspan="2" | 9.12 || rowspan="2" | 8.60
 |-
 ! ''Realistic''
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 '''When in urban combat:'''
-The Lorraine has a big disadvantage when it comes to urban combat, it is turretless, meaning the tank will have to turn in order to aim at a certain place. This also makes crossing corners harder as the lack of turret reduces where your gun will be aiming as well as making an side firing angle (angle between your gun and your hull) narrower, forcing you to push almost frontally instead of doing sidescrapping. The mobility of the CA Lorraine makes it formidable when it comes to flanking as it is able to "Hit N' Run" and destroy or incapacitate enemies with relative speed. Be aware of your reload rate as you do not have autoloader (compared to [[Lorraine 40t]] which uses the same gun, the CA Lorraine reloads in 15.6s stock without upgrades and Lorraine 40t in 4.0s regardless the crew or upgrades), this makes a huge disadvantage as you will be vulnerable after each shot, make each shot count. Aim for gunner, cannon breech or ammunition to disable and destroy tanks as an error will cost your life. Having only 50 mm of frontal armour makes the Lorraine only capable of withstanding some SPAA fire ([[Wirbelwind]], [[M42]], etc) but will be penetrated by all tank guns at its BR and even SPAA at point blank range.
+The Lorraine has a big disadvantage when it comes to urban combat, it is turretless, meaning the tank will have to turn in order to aim at a certain place. This also makes crossing corners harder as the lack of turret reduces where your gun will be aiming as well as making an side firing angle (angle between your gun and your hull) narrower, forcing you to push almost frontally instead of doing sidescrapping. The mobility of the CA Lorraine makes it formidable when it comes to flanking as it is able to "Hit N' Run" and destroy or incapacitate enemies with relative speed. Be aware of your reload rate as you do not have autoloader (compared to [[Lorraine 40t]] which uses the same gun, the CA Lorraine reloads in 11.1s stock without upgrades and Lorraine 40t in 4.0s regardless the crew or upgrades), this makes a huge disadvantage as you will be vulnerable after each shot, make each shot count. Aim for gunner, cannon breech or ammunition to disable and destroy tanks as an error will cost your life. Having only 50 mm of frontal armour makes the Lorraine only capable of withstanding some SPAA fire ([[Wirbelwind]], [[M42]], etc) but will be penetrated by all tank guns at its BR and even SPAA at point blank range.
 '''When in rural combat:'''

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 {{main|SA47 L/58 (100 mm)}}
-This gun platform uses the usual French rank IV 100 mm SA47 L/58 cannon with a twist: it has no autoloader mechanism, hence making reload time ''twice'' as long. However, at battle rating 6.0, the gun packs an awesome 300 mm of penetration that ensures it can punch well above its own rank. The large shell caliber also means it can create quite a lot of fragments inside a tank, making the lack of explosive filler not so bad, as long as you land a good hit.
+This gun platform uses the usual French rank IV 100 mm SA47 L/58 cannon with a twist: it has no autoloader mechanism, hence making reload time twice as long. However, at its battle rating, the gun packs an awesome 300 mm of penetration that ensures it can punch well above its own rank. The large shell calibre also means it can create quite a lot of fragments inside a tank, making the lack of explosive filler not so bad, as long as you land a good hit.
 Keep that in mind as your foes get closer and closer to you: these precious 15 seconds of reload time are the perfect time to intent a frontal attack, even more so since you don't have automatic firepower of any form. Always have a backup plan, in case your single shot doesn't fully disable your target.
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 |}
-Note:
+'''Note''':
-Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
+* Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
 == Usage in battles ==
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_lorraine_100 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 ;Videos
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 ;Vehicles equipped with the same chassis
 * [[Lorraine 155 Mle.50]]
 ;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role
 * [[Jagdpanther]] / [[Bfw. Jagdpanther]]
 * [[SU-100]]

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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' (100 mm Lorraine assault gun), or abbreviated '''{{specs|pseudonym}}''', is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]]. It presents a very classic TD design: Casemate gun platform and powerful armament. While lacking in terms of armour, it compensates with both excellent mobility and a very strong gun.
-The CA Lorraine is an intermediate between a [[SU-85]] and a lowered [[Jagdpanther|Jagdpanther]]. It is distinguishable for having rubber road wheels instead of metal ones, two huge fans atop the engine deck (much like the German Jagdpanther), a very pointy gun mantlet pointing outwards from the casemate and quite a large, rounded commander's cupola. In some ways, it is quite similar to the fearsome [[AMX-50 Foch|AMX 50 ''Foch'']], and this can scare away some cowardly foes.
+The CA Lorraine is an intermediate between a [[SU-85]] and a lowered [[Jagdpanther]]. It is distinguishable for having rubber road wheels instead of metal ones, two huge fans atop the engine deck (much like the German Jagdpanther), a very pointy gun mantlet pointing outwards from the casemate and quite a large, rounded commander's cupola. In some ways, it is quite similar to the fearsome [[AMX-50 Foch|AMX 50 ''Foch'']], and this can scare away some cowardly foes.
 == General info ==
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 {{tankMobility|abMinHp=973|rbMinHp=606}}
-If anyone thought the [[Lorraine 40t]] was a sprinter, this is even better. The {{PAGENAME}} is ''fast''. Not only in forward motion is it fast, it can reverse at a decent, constant, -16 km/h and it has ability to neutral steer, these enable fast reaction to quickly changing battlefield odds such as flanking maneuvers or enemy breakthrough. An experienced player can take clear advantage over its foes by achieving good placement and this tank is the perfect tool for this task.
+If anyone thought the [[Lorraine 40t]] was a sprinter, this is even better. The {{PAGENAME}} is ''fast''. Not only in forward motion is it fast, it can reverse at a decent, constant, -16 km/h and it has ability to neutral steer, these enable fast reaction to quickly changing battlefield odds such as flanking manoeuvres or enemy breakthrough. An experienced player can take clear advantage over its foes by achieving good placement and this tank is the perfect tool for this task.
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 40 || rowspan="2" | -6°/+16° || rowspan="2" | ±9° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 5.3 || 7.3 || 8.9 ||9.8|| 10.4 || rowspan="2" | 15.60 || rowspan="2" | 13.80 || rowspan="2" |12.72|| rowspan="2" | 12.00
+| rowspan="2" | 40 || rowspan="2" | -6°/+16° || rowspan="2" | ±9° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 5.3 || 7.3 || 8.9 || 9.8 || 10.4 || rowspan="2" | 13.65 || rowspan="2" | 12.08 || rowspan="2" | 11.13 || rowspan="2" | 10.50
 |-
 ! ''Realistic''
-| 3.6 || 4.2 || 5.1 ||5.6|| 6.0
+| 3.6 || 4.2 || 5.1 || 5.6 || 6.0
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 |}
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 ! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
 ! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
-! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
+! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
 |-
 ! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
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 | 100 mm Obus de rupture || APCBC || 1,000 || 15 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 48° || 63° || 71°
 |-
-| 100 mm Obus explosif || HE || 1,000 || 14.8 || 0.0 || 0.1 || 1,400 || 79° || 80° || 81°
+| 100 mm Obus explosif || HE || 1,000 || 14.8 || 0 || 0.1 || 1,400 || 79° || 80° || 81°
 |-
 |}
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 * [https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/France/lorraine-40t <nowiki>[Tanks Encyclopedia]</nowiki> Lorraine 40t]
 {{France tank destroyers}}

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-{{Specs-Card|code=fr_lorraine_100}}
+{{Specs-Card
 == Description ==
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 == General info ==
 === Survivability and armour ===
 <!-- ''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.'' -->
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 === Mobility ===
 <!-- ''Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and manoeuvrability, as well as the maximum speed forwards and backwards.'' -->
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 If anyone thought the [[Lorraine 40t]] was a sprinter, this is even better. The {{PAGENAME}} is ''fast''. Not only in forward motion is it fast, it can reverse at a decent, constant, -16 km/h and it has ability to neutral steer, these enable fast reaction to quickly changing battlefield odds such as flanking maneuvers or enemy breakthrough. An experienced player can take clear advantage over its foes by achieving good placement and this tank is the perfect tool for this task.
 == Armaments ==
 === Main armament ===
 <!-- ''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.'' -->
 {{main|SA47 L/58 (100 mm)}}

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 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
 [[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
-<!-- '''Last updated:''' -->
+<!-- '''Last updated: 2.3.0.27''' -->
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 == Usage in battles ==