Breda-SAFAT (12.7 mm) - Revision history

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 [[File:Breda-SAFAT (12.7 mm) on a MAS boat.png|350px|thumb|left|The {{PAGENAME}} on the MAS 561.]]
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-The '''12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT''' is an Italian heavy machine gun used on their aircraft. Modified from the [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]] .303 chambered Breda-SAFAT machine guns originally acquired, the Italians adapted the machine guns to accept their 12.7x81 mmSR ammunition for better firepower.
+The '''12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT''' is an Italian all-purpose heavy machine gun. Modified from the [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]] adapted to the 12.7x81 mmSR ammunition for better firepower.
-In the game, the 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT equips the majority of the Italian aircraft, in fighter or other roles, up until Rank IV.
+In the game, the 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT equips the majority of Italian Interwar and WWII aircraft.
 === Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===

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 === Available ammunition ===
-''Describe the shells that are available for the weapon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).''
+<!--''Describe the shells that are available for the weapon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).''-->
 === Comparison with analogues ===
 ''Give a comparative description of cannons/machine guns that have firepower equal to this weapon.''

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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.'' -->
-This gun is the staple of Italian aircraft weapons from rank I through to rank IV. Nearly all aircraft- that is, all aircraft save for the foreign premiums and the Ju-87 variants, have at least two of these guns. It is often equipped with other guns as well. While good at lower BRs and ranks, starting at rank III/BR 3.7, these guns begin to lose their effectiveness and destructive power. Fortunately, usually Italian planes starting from that BR are equipped with MG151/20s as either wing-mounted or centre-mounted ''Motorkanone'' to provide sufficient damage output.
+This gun is the staple of Italian aircraft weapons from rank I through to rank IV. Nearly all aircraft- that is, all aircraft save for the foreign premiums and the Ju 87 variants, have at least two of these guns. It is often equipped with other guns as well. While good at lower BRs and ranks, starting at rank III/BR 3.7, these guns begin to lose their effectiveness and destructive power. Fortunately, usually Italian planes starting from that BR are equipped with MG151/20s as either wing-mounted or centre-mounted Motorkanone to provide sufficient damage output.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 == History ==
-In the 1930s the Italian Regio Aeronautica (Italian Air Force) ordered the development of new machine guns for Italian fighters and bombers. The government ordered two companies of Breda and SAFAT to build their machine guns for the competition which had the Breda design based on the [[Browning (7.62 mm)|Browning]] won their favor. SAFAT's parent company FIAT attempted to contest the decision, but lost their dispute lead to SAFAT getting merged with Breda to create the arms designer Breda-SAFAT. The original guns were chambered for .303 British, but the company soon made a variant chambered in 12.7x81mmSR following the trend of heavy machine gun cartridges used by other nations. The short-recoil Breda-SAFAT was intended to be equal or superior to contemporary machine guns. It was liked by Italian pilots for its long range and hitting power and armorers for its reliability, but it was heavy, had a low muzzle a modest rate of fire of 700 rounds per minute compare the 1,000 rpm used on contemporary weapons from other nations, and the High-Explosive-Incendiary-Tracer ammunition was ineffective. In addition, the Italians did not develop their own 20mm cannon instead purchasing German [[MG 151 (20 mm)|MG 151]] cannons to mount on their Macchi [[C. 205 (Family)|C. 205]] Veltro, FIAT [[G.55 (Family)|G.55]] Centauro, and Reggiane [[Re.2005 serie 0|Re.2005]] Sagittario fighters. While adequate for 1935, the Italian fighter armament of two 12.7mm Breda-SAFATs occasionally complimented by two [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)|Breda-SAFAT 7.7mm]] machine guns was well obsolete by 1940. However, almost every fighter and bomber used by the Regio Aeronautica under Mussolini would be armed with these two calibers of machines and the design survived into the 1970s as a anti-aircraft gun most notably in Syria.
+In the 1930s the Italian Regio Aeronautica (Italian Air Force) ordered the development of new machine guns for Italian fighters and bombers. The government ordered two companies of Breda and SAFAT to build their machine guns for the competition which had the Breda design based on the [[Browning (7.62 mm)|Browning]] won their favor. SAFAT's parent company FIAT attempted to contest the decision, but lost their dispute lead to SAFAT getting merged with Breda to create the arms designer Breda-SAFAT. The original guns were chambered for .303 British, but the company soon made a variant chambered in 12.7x81mmSR following the trend of heavy machine gun cartridges used by other nations. The short-recoil Breda-SAFAT was intended to be equal or superior to contemporary machine guns. It was liked by Italian pilots for its long range and hitting power and armorers for its reliability, but it was heavy, had a low muzzle a modest rate of fire of 700 rounds per minute compare the 1,000 rpm used on contemporary weapons from other nations, and the High-Explosive-Incendiary-Tracer ammunition was ineffective. In addition, the Italians did not develop their own 20mm cannon instead purchasing German [[MG 151 (20 mm)|MG 151]] cannons to mount on their Macchi [[C. 205 (Family)|C. 205]] Veltro, FIAT [[G.55 (Family)|G.55]] Centauro, and Reggiane [[Re.2005 serie 0|Re.2005]] Sagittario fighters. While adequate for 1935, the Italian fighter armament of two 12.7mm Breda-SAFATs occasionally complimented by two [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)|Breda-SAFAT 7.7mm]] machine guns was well obsolete by 1940. However, almost every fighter and bomber used by the Regio Aeronautica under Mussolini would be armed with these two calibres of machines and the design survived into the 1970s as a anti-aircraft gun most notably in Syria.
 == Media ==
-''An excellent addition to the article would be a video guide, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.''
+''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
 == See also ==

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 == Description ==
 <!--''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.''-->
 The '''12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT''' is an Italian heavy machine gun used on their aircraft. Modified from the [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)]] .303 chambered Breda-SAFAT machine guns originally acquired, the Italians adapted the machine guns to accept their 12.7x81 mmSR ammunition for better firepower.
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 == Media ==
 ''An excellent addition to the article would be a video guide, as well as screenshots from the game and photos.''
 == See also ==
 ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
 * ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''
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 == External links ==
 ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.''

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 '''Pros:'''
 * IAI (explosive) bullets
 * Early-game API-T Tracer belts
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 '''Cons:'''
 * Anaemic performance upwards of rank III.
 * Low rate of fire compared to contemporary .50-calibre guns (700 rounds per minute, as opposed to 750 rounds per minute on early M2s, 768 on late-game M2s, 798 on Berezin's and 900 on MG131s and Ho-103s)
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 == History ==
-''Examine the history of the creation and combat usage of the weapon in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the weapon and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Weapon-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>.''
+In the 1930s the Italian Regio Aeronautica (Italian Air Force) ordered the development of new machine guns for Italian fighters and bombers. The government ordered two companies of Breda and SAFAT to build their machine guns for the competition which had the Breda design based on the [[Browning (7.62 mm)|Browning]] won their favor. SAFAT's parent company FIAT attempted to contest the decision, but lost their dispute lead to SAFAT getting merged with Breda to create the arms designer Breda-SAFAT. The original guns were chambered for .303 British, but the company soon made a variant chambered in 12.7x81mmSR following the trend of heavy machine gun cartridges used by other nations. The short-recoil Breda-SAFAT was intended to be equal or superior to contemporary machine guns. It was liked by Italian pilots for its long range and hitting power and armorers for its reliability, but it was heavy, had a low muzzle a modest rate of fire of 700 rounds per minute compare the 1,000 rpm used on contemporary weapons from other nations, and the High-Explosive-Incendiary-Tracer ammunition was ineffective. In addition, the Italians did not develop their own 20mm cannon instead purchasing German [[MG 151 (20 mm)|MG 151]] cannons to mount on their Macchi [[C. 205 (Family)|C. 205]] Veltro, FIAT [[G.55 (Family)|G.55]] Centauro, and Reggiane [[Re.2005 serie 0|Re.2005]] Sagittario fighters. While adequate for 1935, the Italian fighter armament of two 12.7mm Breda-SAFATs occasionally complimented by two [[Breda-SAFAT (7.7 mm)|Breda-SAFAT 7.7mm]] machine guns was well obsolete by 1940. However, almost every fighter and bomber used by the Regio Aeronautica under Mussolini would be armed with these two calibers of machines and the design survived into the 1970s as a anti-aircraft gun most notably in Syria.
 == Media ==
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 == See also ==
 ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the article about the variant of the cannon/machine gun;''
 * ''references to approximate analogues by other nations and research trees.''
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 == External links ==
 ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''encyclopedia page on the weapon;''

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