Black Prince - Revision history

U38088265: /* Description */ Updated to new standard

2024-06-09T12:47:30Z

‎Description: Updated to new standard

U50095228: /* Pros and cons */ Corrected Con for max speed and reverse speed following recent game update.

2024-03-29T13:33:35Z

‎Pros and cons: Corrected Con for max speed and reverse speed following recent game update.

U50095228: /* Pros and cons */ 10mmm MG port weakness has been removed. The spot is covered by the same 152mm plate as the rest of the tank's turret front and is thus not a weakness.

2024-03-29T13:31:58Z

‎Pros and cons: 10mmm MG port weakness has been removed. The spot is covered by the same 152mm plate as the rest of the tank's turret front and is thus not a weakness.

U44629479: /* Description */ Added link

2023-11-21T14:56:14Z

‎Description: Added link

U44629479: Undo revision 177222 by U65298806 (talk)

2023-11-21T12:57:48Z

Undo revision 177222 by U65298806 (talk)

U65298806 at 11:29, 21 November 2023

2023-11-21T11:29:07Z

U38088265: /* Ammunition */ Converted to transclusion

2023-01-21T22:29:58Z

‎Ammunition: Converted to transclusion

U44629479: Edits

2022-12-17T20:10:28Z

Edits

U96777718: Added inclusion in 2022 Black Friday sale

2022-11-22T16:05:14Z

Added inclusion in 2022 Black Friday sale

U44629479: Edits

2022-10-06T14:41:47Z

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} British heavy tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.53 "Firestorm"]] and is one of the first British tanks to be introduced into the game. It was initially available as a [[wt:en/news/3472--en|pre-order pack]] from the Gaijin store, but was discontinued after the [[wt:en/news/5232-shop-winter-sales-special-bundle-and-gift-certificates-en|2017 Winter sales]]. It has since been made available in the store periodically for "Black Friday" sales in [[wt:en/news/6488-shop-black-friday-sale-en|2019]], [[wt:en/news/6957-shop-black-friday-bundle-en|2020]], [[wt:en/news/7431-shop-black-friday-bundle-en|2021]], [[wt:en/news/7975-shop-black-friday-bundle-en|2022]], and [[wt:en/news/8599-shop-black-friday-bundle-en|2023]].
+The '''A43 Black Prince''' was an experimental development of the [[Churchill VII]] fitted with the ubiquitous Ordnance QF 17-pounder tank cannon. It was designed as an interim for the specification of a "universal tank" (eventually resulting in the [[Centurion (Family)|Centurion]]) that could replace both well-armoured infantry tanks such as the Churchill as well as powerfully armed cruiser tanks such as the [[Crusader (Family)|Crusader]] and [[Cromwell (Family)|Cromwell]]. The large gun required a larger turret, resulting in a widening of the hull. The increase in weight had to be compensated by modification of the suspension system and wider tracks. Plans for other modifications such as a more powerful engine or installation of the Centurion's turret never came into fruition. The first of the six prototypes was completed in May 1945; by this time, similarly armed and significantly more mobile tanks such as the [[Sherman Firefly]], [[Comet I]], and Centurion were beginning to be or had already been introduced into service, and so the project was cancelled soon after. Only one example still exists, the fourth prototype, which is displayed in the Bovington Tank Museum.
-The A43 Black Prince is a modified Churchill tank equipped with the legendary Ordnance QF 17-pounder cannon; a weapon made famous by the [[Sherman Firefly]], [[Achilles|M10 Achilles]], and its ability to destroy the German 8.8 cm heavy tanks such as the [[Tiger H1|Tiger tank]]. It also features a single 7.62 mm BESA machine gun, which works great for destroying light tanks and SPAA vehicles.
+The Black Prince was introduced in [[Update 1.53 "Firestorm"]] and was one of the first British tanks to be introduced into the game. The Black Prince offers a powerful gun, able to be equipped with APDS, capable of destroying [[Ferdinand]]s, [[IS-2]]s, and other tanks from over 1 km away. The reload time is great for its rank, at a mere 7.6 s and when coupled with the tank's heavy armour, can stand as quite a lethal opponent. However, the armour, while still effective, is not as reliable as the Churchill's was at lower battle ratings when facing increasingly powerful armaments. Additionally, the extra 8.5 tons of weight compared to the already sluggish Churchill makes it extremely slow with a top speed of 17 km/h (10 mph) and only -2 km/h (-1 mph) reverse speed.
-The A43 Black prince offers one of the most powerful guns available in the game, capable of destroying a [[Ferdinand]], [[IS-2]], and other tanks from over 1 km away. The reload time is great for its rank, at a mere 7.6s and when coupled with the tank's heavy armour, can stand as quite a lethal opponent.
+The Black Prince was initially available as a [[wt:en/news/3472--en|pre-order pack]] from the Gaijin store, but was discontinued after the [[wt:en/news/5232-shop-winter-sales-special-bundle-and-gift-certificates-en|2017 Winter sales]]. It has since been made available in the store periodically for "Black Friday" sales in [[wt:en/news/6488-shop-black-friday-sale-en|2019]], [[wt:en/news/6957-shop-black-friday-bundle-en|2020]], [[wt:en/news/7431-shop-black-friday-bundle-en|2021]], [[wt:en/news/7975-shop-black-friday-bundle-en|2022]], and [[wt:en/news/8599-shop-black-friday-bundle-en|2023]].
 == General info ==

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 * The vehicle's side armour is weak and ammunition is stored in the sides of the tank
 * It struggles to climb hills without losing significant speed
-* Max speed of 17 km/h (10 mph) and max reverse speed of -2 km/h (-1 mph)
+* Max speed of 18 km/h (12 mph) and max reverse speed of -7.3 km/h (-4.5 mph)
 * The vehicle cannot climb steep hills
 * The turret traverse is slow compared to others at only 10.5/s

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 * The vehicle's side armour is weak and ammunition is stored in the sides of the tank
 * It struggles to climb hills without losing significant speed
 * Max speed of 17 km/h (10 mph) and max reverse speed of -2 km/h (-1 mph)

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} British heavy tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.53 "Firestorm"]] and is one of the first British tanks to be introduced into the game. It was initially available as a [[wt:en/news/3472--en|pre-order pack]] from the Gaijin store, but was discontinued after the [[wt:en/news/5232-shop-winter-sales-special-bundle-and-gift-certificates-en|2017 Winter sales]]. It has since been made available in the store periodically for "Black Friday" sales in [[wt:en/news/6488-shop-black-friday-sale-en|2019]], [[wt:en/news/6957-shop-black-friday-bundle-en|2020]], [[wt:en/news/7431-shop-black-friday-bundle-en|2021]], and [[wt:en/news/7975-shop-black-friday-bundle-en|2022]].
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} British heavy tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.53 "Firestorm"]] and is one of the first British tanks to be introduced into the game. It was initially available as a [[wt:en/news/3472--en|pre-order pack]] from the Gaijin store, but was discontinued after the [[wt:en/news/5232-shop-winter-sales-special-bundle-and-gift-certificates-en|2017 Winter sales]]. It has since been made available in the store periodically for "Black Friday" sales in [[wt:en/news/6488-shop-black-friday-sale-en|2019]], [[wt:en/news/6957-shop-black-friday-bundle-en|2020]], [[wt:en/news/7431-shop-black-friday-bundle-en|2021]], [[wt:en/news/7975-shop-black-friday-bundle-en|2022]], and [[wt:en/news/8599-shop-black-friday-bundle-en|2023]].
 The A43 Black Prince is a modified Churchill tank equipped with the legendary Ordnance QF 17-pounder cannon; a weapon made famous by the [[Sherman Firefly]], [[Achilles|M10 Achilles]], and its ability to destroy the German 8.8 cm heavy tanks such as the [[Tiger H1|Tiger tank]]. It also features a single 7.62 mm BESA machine gun, which works great for destroying light tanks and SPAA vehicles.

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} British heavy tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.53 "Firestorm"]] and is one of the first British tanks to be introduced into the game. It was initially available as a [[wt:en/news/3472--en|pre-order pack]] from the Gaijin store, but was discontinued after the [[wt:en/news/5232-shop-winter-sales-special-bundle-and-gift-certificates-en|2017 Winter sales]]. It has since been made available in the store periodically for "Black Friday" sales every year since [[wt:en/news/6488-shop-black-friday-sale-en|2019.]]
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} British heavy tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.53 "Firestorm"]] and is one of the first British tanks to be introduced into the game. It was initially available as a [[wt:en/news/3472--en|pre-order pack]] from the Gaijin store, but was discontinued after the [[wt:en/news/5232-shop-winter-sales-special-bundle-and-gift-certificates-en|2017 Winter sales]]. It has since been made available in the store periodically for "Black Friday" sales in [[wt:en/news/6488-shop-black-friday-sale-en|2019]], [[wt:en/news/6957-shop-black-friday-bundle-en|2020]], [[wt:en/news/7431-shop-black-friday-bundle-en|2021]], and [[wt:en/news/7975-shop-black-friday-bundle-en|2022]].
 The A43 Black Prince is a modified Churchill tank equipped with the legendary Ordnance QF 17-pounder cannon; a weapon made famous by the [[Sherman Firefly]], [[Achilles|M10 Achilles]], and its ability to destroy the German 8.8 cm heavy tanks such as the [[Tiger H1|Tiger tank]]. It also features a single 7.62 mm BESA machine gun, which works great for destroying light tanks and SPAA vehicles.

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 * Shot SV Mk.1 - {{Annotation|APDS|Armour-Piercing Discarding Sabot}} - Most penetrative round but less damage than APCBC (low spalling): good to use against post-WW2 era opponents or heavily-armoured tanks
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:QF 17-pounder (76 mm)/Ammunition|Shot Mk.6, Shell Mk.1, Shot Mk.4, Shot Mk.8, Shot SV Mk.1, 17pdr Shell SS Mk.1}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 {{Specs-Tank-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.'' -->
 '''Armour type:'''
 * Rolled homogeneous armour (Hull)
 * Cast homogeneous armour (Turret front, Turret sides, Cupola)
 {| class="wikitable"
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 {{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}
 <!-- ''Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and manoeuvrability, as well as the maximum speed forwards and backwards.'' -->
 When playing the {{PAGENAME}} you will immediately notice the speed and length: it is not a fast tank. You will also notice that it can sometimes struggle to get up hills and small embankments. It is recommended to stay on flat terrain and to make small sharp turns. This will keep more momentum than a single big turn which will lose most of your much needed momentum.
 The A43 is a rather long tank making it almost impossible to get wedged between ditches, but the vehicle lacks sufficient engine power required to pull itself over the obstacles and often gets stuck when climbing over them.
 === Modifications and economy ===
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-* Rack 7 is a first-stage ammo rack
+* Rack 7 is a first-stage ammo rack.
 ==== [[Optics]] ====
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 ===Deployment===
-However, by the time the Black Prince was ready in May 1945; it was too late for it to see service in World War II. Even if it had, many more tank designs such as the [[Sherman Firefly|Sherman Firefly]] and the [[Comet I|Comet]] are much more mobile and effective, yet have the same 17-pounder gun available. Also, a new tank about to be introduced, the [[Centurion Mk 1|Centurion]], has the same protection level as the Black Prince, yet with the same gun and is way more mobile than the Black Prince. This caused the Black Prince to fall into obsolescence and the project, along with the entire line of the infantry tank concept in British tank doctrine, was abandoned in favour of a concept of more mobile tanks with great firepower and protection, which would eventually form the idea of the main battle tanks.
+However, by the time the Black Prince was ready in May 1945; it was too late for it to see service in World War II. Even if it had, many more tank designs such as the [[Sherman Firefly]] and the [[Comet I|Comet]] are much more mobile and effective, yet have the same 17-pounder gun available. Also, a new tank about to be introduced, the [[Centurion Mk 1|Centurion]], has the same protection level as the Black Prince, yet with the same gun and is way more mobile than the Black Prince. This caused the Black Prince to fall into obsolescence and the project, along with the entire line of the infantry tank concept in British tank doctrine, was abandoned in favour of a concept of more mobile tanks with great firepower and protection, which would eventually form the idea of the main battle tanks.
 == Media ==
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 ;Skins
-* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=britain&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=heavy_tank&vehicle=uk_a_43_black_prince Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
+* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=uk_a_43_black_prince Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 ;Images
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 ;Videos
-{{Youtube-gallery|gR3JPNt0iPw|'''Heavyweight brits''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 4:37 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''|jAIrKnD83YY|'''Spotlight: A43 Black Prince Ep.1''' - ''Minoxen''|OPzYg0Ely_Y|'''Black Prince Gameplay & Review''' -  ''DigitalDigging''}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|gR3JPNt0iPw|'''Heavyweight brits''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 4:37 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''|jAIrKnD83YY|'''Spotlight: A43 Black Prince Ep.1''' - ''Minoxen''|OPzYg0Ely_Y|'''Black Prince Gameplay & Review''' - ''DigitalDigging''}}
 == See also ==

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 It's vulnerable to HE rounds, which will often bounce and enter through the roof. The ammunition is located along the sides of the vehicle, making these a primary weak spot for enemy players to target.
-The A43 Black Prince has one of the thickest armour installations of any tanks. The front is able to be continuously hit by larger and more powerful calibre tanks at close range without taking much, if any damage. However, if you come up against a tank shooting HEAT or HE rounds they will likely penetrate the armour with ease. Do not expose the sides to the enemy player, as it is one of the weakest parts of the tank, seconded only to the center portion of the turret's mantlet. Not only that, the sides contain the location of the ammunition; If it is hit, it is likely to detonate. If the ammunition does not detonate, the vehicle's crew will be incapacitated.
+The A43 Black Prince has one of the thickest armour installations of any tanks. The front is able to be continuously hit by larger and more powerful calibre tanks at close range without taking much, if any damage. However, if you come up against a tank shooting HEAT or HE rounds they will likely penetrate the armour with ease. Do not expose the sides to the enemy player, as it is one of the weakest parts of the tank, seconded only to the central portion of the turret's mantlet. Not only that, the sides contain the location of the ammunition; If it is hit, it is likely to detonate. If the ammunition does not detonate, the vehicle's crew will be incapacitated.
 It lacks a top-mounted machine gun, which is normally a deterrent against low flying aircraft, making the vehicle more vulnerable to be attacks by a planes, and an easy target for bombers. The turret's slow traverse speed also makes the use of the internal machine gun useless against aircraft attacks.