Bf 109 G-2 (Italy) - Revision history

U12017485: /* Pros and cons */ + Dogfighting con

2024-11-06T21:21:14Z

‎Pros and cons: + Dogfighting con

U44629479: /* Suspended armament */ Added Flam C 250 incendiary

2023-03-08T20:21:10Z

‎Suspended armament: Added Flam C 250 incendiary

U87451082: Added more to the history section under Hungary.

2022-12-26T15:51:50Z

Added more to the history section under Hungary.

U44629479: /* Media */ Added skins

2022-01-13T17:15:12Z

‎Media: Added skins

U38088265: Edits

2021-08-22T17:43:34Z

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U31139476: /* History */ Done

2021-08-22T17:33:06Z

‎History: Done

U44629479: /* Flight performance */ Added stock values

2021-03-23T18:34:29Z

‎Flight performance: Added stock values

U3312106: /* Details */

2021-02-17T11:09:44Z

‎Details

U3312106: /* External links */

2021-01-25T19:33:20Z

‎External links

U28580205: /* Usage in battles */ Converted section description as comments

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‎Usage in battles: Converted section description as comments

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 * Very good climb rate
 * Good performance at high altitudes
 * Good energy retention
 * All weaponry mounted in the nose, allowing easy aiming without having to worry about convergence
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 '''Cons:'''
 * Engine overheats quickly
 * Very fragile engine

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 {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
-{{main|SC50JA (50 kg)|SC250JA (250 kg)|MG 151 (20 mm)}}
+{{main|SC50JA (50 kg)|SC250JA (250 kg)|MG 151 (20 mm)|Flam C 250 incendiary}}
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
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 * 1 x 250 kg SC250JA bomb (250 kg total)
 * 2 x 20 mm MG 151 cannons, wing-mounted (gunpods) (135 rpg = 270 total)
 == Usage in battles ==

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 '''Hungary'''
-In Hungary, the Bf 109s began to replace the CR.42s in service with the Hungarian air force, and by the end of the war some 490 Bf 109 Gustavs were in use.
+In Hungary around 700-800 Bf 109s were licence produced, with over half of these being used by the Hungarian air force and the rest being given to the Luftwaffe. The vast majority of Bf 109s produced in Hungary were Bf 109 G variants. The Hungarian Bf 109s began to replace the MÁVAG Héjas and CR.42s in service with the Hungarian air force, and by the end of the war some 490 Bf 109 Gustavs were in use.
 '''Romania'''
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=bf-109g-2_hungary Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 ;Images
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+<gallery mode="packed-hover" heights="200">
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 ;Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era
 * Fiat [[G.55 serie 1|G.55]]
 * Kawasaki [[Ki-61 (Family)|Ki-61]]

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 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-'''''Fighter:'''''
+'''Fighter:'''
 The Bf 109 G-2 was designed as a fighter aircraft and thus excels in the role of it. It reaches its maximal performance with of course no secondary weapons equipped. However, if one 20 mm MG 151 is not sufficient, especially against bombers, utilising two extra MG 151 in form of gunpods will noticeably increase firepower at the expense of a slight loss in flight performance.
-'''''Bomber interceptor:'''''
+'''Bomber interceptor:'''
 When facing any bombers (e.g. B-25, B-17, Wellington, Yer-2) one should never simply stay behind them and spray the guns all over the bomber. To take out any bomber effectively, the best tactic is to come in with high speed out of a steep angle and focus the guns on just one wing. This will give the bombers' gunners a harder time to ward off the attacker, whilst focusing on only one wing increases greatly the chance of a critical hit, either snapping off a wing or making the bomber uncontrollable. Since it can be quite hard to snap off a wing of a bomber with "only" one MG 151/20, it is highly recommended to make use of the previously mentioned 20 mm MG 151/20 gunpods.
-'''''Fighter Bomber:'''''
+'''Fighter Bomber:'''
 The G-2 can also be used as a fighter bomber. To fulfil this role one has the choice between either one 250 kg bomb or four 50 kg bombs, which are dropped in pairs of two. The 250 kg bomb is quite easily capable of destroying hard ground targets like pillboxes and tanks, while the 50 kg bombs can only crack such targets with a direct hit/detonation on target. Please note that only on rare occasions it is helpful to waste the G-2s fighter capabilities with ground attacking in order to achieve victory in a mission.
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 '''Realistic Battles/Simulator Battles''': During a dive, redlining starts at 750 km/h (IAS) and your aircraft breaks apart around 820 km/h (IAS) and until you reach this speed you can not rip your wings off with pulling up. You have access to 20/30/45 minutes of fuel, for most maps 30 minutes of fuel is a good choice.
-While in the '''offence''' against a fighter in the Bf 109 G-2/trop (i.e. with an energy advantage, ready to engage the enemy either by diving or zoom climbing), a swift pass landing 20 mm hits in the wing should suffice to take down the opponent. If the opponent avoids the attack by applying defensive manoeuvres, the energy the evading opponent lost in the process will put the attacking Bf 109 in an even larger advantage, so 'Gustav' pilots should face this situation as an advantage and handle it patiently, not wasting ammunition nor risking lengthy and risky horizontal turn fighting. The pilot should gain altitude (bear in mind that, without a comfortable distance from enemies, climbing can equate to giving an optimal shot to the enemy), get enough room to position for another strike and finally re-engage the enemy fighter, hopefully striking it down. All these precautions are of course much less necessary when no threats are nearby. In this case, aggressive dog fighting while still relying on the energy advantage can be the quickest way to take any opponent down. At speeds around 350-450 km/h (IAS) the horizontal turning ability of the G-2 is at its finest and can be further improved with the use of combat/take off flaps. The key is situational awareness to realize such opportunities.
+While in the offence against a fighter in the Bf 109 G-2/trop (i.e. with an energy advantage, ready to engage the enemy either by diving or zoom climbing), a swift pass landing 20 mm hits in the wing should suffice to take down the opponent. If the opponent avoids the attack by applying defensive manoeuvres, the energy the evading opponent lost in the process will put the attacking Bf 109 in an even larger advantage, so 'Gustav' pilots should face this situation as an advantage and handle it patiently, not wasting ammunition nor risking lengthy and risky horizontal turn fighting. The pilot should gain altitude (bear in mind that, without a comfortable distance from enemies, climbing can equate to giving an optimal shot to the enemy), get enough room to position for another strike and finally re-engage the enemy fighter, hopefully striking it down. All these precautions are of course much less necessary when no threats are nearby. In this case, aggressive dog fighting while still relying on the energy advantage can be the quickest way to take any opponent down. At speeds around 350-450 km/h (IAS) the horizontal turning ability of the G-2 is at its finest and can be further improved with the use of combat/take off flaps. The key is situational awareness to realize such opportunities.
-As for situations when the Gustav-2 pilot is in the '''defence''' (i.e. with an energy disadvantage, prone to being fatally engaged by an enemy either by diving or zoom climbing), either due to not climbing optimally or by facing tough opponents such as the Spitfire F. Mk IX (known for its climb rate), (s)he will likely risk head-on engagements. Head-ons are generally a bad idea because you risk your own machine to take damage. But with the armament of the G-2 which is very accurate and deadly (especially with gunpods), you have good chances to kill or at least damage an enemy at distances of 1.0 - 1.2 km just by firing a burst and then evade the head on with for example a simple downwards barrel roll without taking a single hit. This needs, of course, some experience to hit at these long ranges. [https://youtu.be/MYntUdGexUA?t=72 Example Video]
+As for situations when the Gustav-2 pilot is in the defence (i.e. with an energy disadvantage, prone to being fatally engaged by an enemy either by diving or zoom climbing), either due to not climbing optimally or by facing tough opponents such as the Spitfire F. Mk IX (known for its climb rate), (s)he will likely risk head-on engagements. Head-ons are generally a bad idea because you risk your own machine to take damage. But with the armament of the G-2 which is very accurate and deadly (especially with gunpods), you have good chances to kill or at least damage an enemy at distances of 1.0 - 1.2 km just by firing a burst and then evade the head on with for example a simple downwards barrel roll without taking a single hit. This needs, of course, some experience to hit at these long ranges. [https://youtu.be/MYntUdGexUA?t=72 Example Video]
 If the enemy owns the energy advantage, your best bet is to avoid his attacks with simple and energy efficient manoeuvres like the [http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/33818-acm-and-tactics/?p=398969 Split-S] and climb every time you have the time to. But keep in mind: Slow targets are much easier to hit than fast targets, so convert your altitude early enough to speed to avoid an incoming attack successfully. Another option can be to evade an enemy Boom and Zoom attack with a simple downwards [http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/33818-acm-and-tactics/?p=415273 barrel roll], when the enemy overshoots you and starts climbing again you have a small time window to fire a burst at him.
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 == Media ==
 <!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
-[[File:Bf 109 G-2 Italy Media 1.png|thumb|none]]
 == See also ==
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 ;Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era
 * Fiat [[G.55 serie 1|G.55]]
 * Kawasaki [[Ki-61 (Family)|Ki-61]]
 * Macchi [[C.205 serie 1|C.205]]
 * North American [[P-51 (Family)|P-51]] Mustang
 == External links ==

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 == History ==
-''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the aircraft in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''
+'''History'''
 == Media ==
-''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
+[[File:Bf 109 G-2 Italy Media 1.png|frameless]]
 == See also ==

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+| 673 || 656 || rowspan="2" | {{Specs|ceiling}} || 20.0 || 20.7 || 19.5 || 19.5 || rowspan="2" | 250
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 ! Upgraded
-| 722 || 696 || 18.1 || 19.0 || 27.6 || 23.2
+| 721 || 696 || 18.1 || 19.0 || 27.7 || 23.1
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 ! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
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-| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 460 || 460 || 260 || ~12 || ~6
+| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 437 || 408 || 260 || ~13 || ~6
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 * [[wt:en/news/6328-news-hungarian-bf-109g-2-in-the-italian-tree-en|[News<nowiki>]</nowiki> Hungarian Bf 109G-2 in the Italian Tree]]
 {{AirManufacturer BFW}}
 {{Italy fighters}}
 {{Italy premium aircraft}}

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 == Usage in battles ==
-''Describe the tactics of playing in an aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''
+<!--''Describe the tactics of playing in an aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''-->
 '''''Fighter:'''''