BM-8-24 - Revision history

U28580205: /* Usage in battles */

2024-05-07T12:19:22Z

‎Usage in battles

U62038390: Completely overhauled usage in battles to better match how it would be best used with its horrible pen, and tweaked/added some stuff to pros and cons

2024-04-26T20:29:09Z

Completely overhauled usage in battles to better match how it would be best used with its horrible pen, and tweaked/added some stuff to pros and cons

U38088265: /* Ammunition */ Converted to transclusion

2023-02-01T15:06:09Z

‎Ammunition: Converted to transclusion

U44629479: /* Media */ Removed dead video

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2022-11-20T16:40:42Z

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U58267343: Changed Battle Rating from 2.0 to 1.3

2021-10-01T23:31:15Z

Changed Battle Rating from 2.0 to 1.3

U38088265: Edits

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U62038390: Updated ammo stats, including the penetration decrease from 24mm to 9mm. Usage in battles category should be updated since this isn't enough to pen even most light tanks, but I'm not a confident enough writer to want to do so myself

2021-06-02T18:42:57Z

Updated ammo stats, including the penetration decrease from 24mm to 9mm. Usage in battles category should be updated since this isn't enough to pen even most light tanks, but I'm not a confident enough writer to want to do so myself

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 The BM-8-24 has extremely poor survivability, as it only has two crew, armour which can only stop MG fire, and exposed rockets on the rack. The ammo is extremely easy to detonate with a direct hit, with chemical rounds only taking one shot to do so and kinetic rounds taking two or three depending on caliber, and even machine gun fire is able to set them off if enough rounds hit a single rocket .
-Despite the respectable HE filler, the 9mm of penetration leaves your list of viable targets is extremely limited, with only open vehicles and enclosed vehicles with the thinnest of armor being vulnerable to your rockets. Even vehicles with poor armor such as the Panzer II, BT-5 and 7, or M3 Stuart may be difficult or impossible to kill. Some vehicles such as the LVT have thin enough armor for a shot anywhere to be able to kill, while others such as the M2A4 or Panzer 38(t) may only take damage from a rocket hitting the roof, cupola, or hull roof. Luckily, the rockets have enough HE filler to guarantee a kill on a hit with an open top vehicle, or on penetration of an armored vehicle (with the exception of some larger vehicles such as the LVT due to the distance between the crew). It is also theoretically possible to kill tanks with overpressure by hitting the ground under them, however this may be difficult to do consistently, especially given the poor depression of the rocket rack.
+Despite the respectable HE filler, the 9mm of penetration leaves your list of viable targets is extremely limited, with only open vehicles and enclosed vehicles with the thinnest of armor being vulnerable to your rockets. Even vehicles with poor armor such as the Panzer II, BT-5 and 7, or M3 Stuart may be difficult or impossible to destroy. Some vehicles such as the LVT have thin enough armor for a shot anywhere to be able to penetrate, while others such as the M2A4 or Panzer 38(t) may only take damage from a rocket hitting the roof, cupola, or hull roof. Luckily, the rockets have enough HE filler to guarantee a lethal blow with a hit on an open top vehicle, or on penetration of an armored vehicle (with the exception of some larger vehicles such as the LVT due to the distance between the crew). It is also theoretically possible to destroy tanks with overpressure by hitting the ground under them, however this may be difficult to do consistently, especially given the poor depression of the rocket rack.
-Due to the difficulty of accurately aiming the rockets past close range, the ideal scenario would be to hide behind cover that's nearby the enemy and that you can see over/around with your camera, allowing you to watch over it for viable targets, peeking out once you spot one. Since some vehicles require roof shots to kill, it may be advantageous to be above your target, although the poor depression of the rocket rack means to aim downward enough you'd have to be on a slope. It may also be viable to use spots that require engaging at longer ranges and only firing at open/light vehicles that don't require aiming for weak spots, especially as the drop of the rockets allows for arcing them over hills while you safely sit behind them, which is by far the safest way to use this vehicle due to peeking even just your rocket rack over cover leaving your ammo open to being detonated.
+Due to the difficulty of accurately aiming the rockets past close range, the ideal scenario would be to hide behind cover that's nearby the enemy and that you can see over/around with your camera, allowing you to watch over it for viable targets, peeking out once you spot one. Since some vehicles require roof shots to penetrate, it may be advantageous to be above your target, although the poor depression of the rocket rack means to aim downward enough you'd have to be on a slope. It may also be viable to use spots that require engaging at longer ranges and only firing at open/light vehicles that don't require aiming for weak spots, especially as the drop of the rockets allows for arcing them over hills while you safely sit behind them, which is by far the safest way to use this vehicle due to peeking even just your rocket rack over cover leaving your ammo open to being detonated.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * Very poor depression can cause it to be problematic to hit low targets at close ranges
 * Lowest penetration on a primary weapon in the entire game; penetration is extremely poor even on direct hits, leaving most vehicles difficult or impossible to penetrate
 * Very wide rocket rack causes strong parallax that changes with each shot, making accurate aiming harder
 == History ==

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-The BM-8-24 only offers 24 rockets as its main armament, the ideal playstyle is use the terrain to hide from the enemies and wait for them to pass you by before you strike. The rockets work best when they are fired in volley, it takes one well placed hit to knock out an enemy tank.
+As the BM-8-24 lacks survivability, only carries 24 rockets which have poor penetration, and has average mobility, the ideal playstyle is to use terrain or buildings to hide and wait for enemies to pass, only engaging if it's a target you can penetrate and waiting until its side or rear is to you.
-To do this, get close as you can and aim for the sides, you want to aim for biggest surface you can see. The rockets are not accurate  as with any rocket tank, so aiming for sides offer your biggest chance to successfully hit the target. You only need one hit to penetrate and detonate inside of the enemy tank knocking it and awarding you the credit for it.
+The BM-8-24 has extremely poor survivability, as it only has two crew, armour which can only stop MG fire, and exposed rockets on the rack. The ammo is extremely easy to detonate with a direct hit, with chemical rounds only taking one shot to do so and kinetic rounds taking two or three depending on caliber, and even machine gun fire is able to set them off if enough rounds hit a single rocket .
-The BM-8-24 is weak, a single HE or APCBC round, in simple terms any round with HE filler which hits the ammo rack which contains all 24 rockets will see the tank explode, like a firework. Even shrapnel or machine gun fire hitting the rockets will destroy them, they may not detonate with some machine gun hits but the rocket will be destroyed, reducing the effective amount.
+Despite the respectable HE filler, the 9mm of penetration leaves your list of viable targets is extremely limited, with only open vehicles and enclosed vehicles with the thinnest of armor being vulnerable to your rockets. Even vehicles with poor armor such as the Panzer II, BT-5 and 7, or M3 Stuart may be difficult or impossible to kill. Some vehicles such as the LVT have thin enough armor for a shot anywhere to be able to kill, while others such as the M2A4 or Panzer 38(t) may only take damage from a rocket hitting the roof, cupola, or hull roof. Luckily, the rockets have enough HE filler to guarantee a kill on a hit with an open top vehicle, or on penetration of an armored vehicle (with the exception of some larger vehicles such as the LVT due to the distance between the crew). It is also theoretically possible to kill tanks with overpressure by hitting the ground under them, however this may be difficult to do consistently, especially given the poor depression of the rocket rack.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * Smallest rocket launcher profile
 * High-velocity rockets (good for medium-long range)
 * Small and agile, allows for quick re-positioning on the battlefield
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 * No other armaments except rocket launchers
-* Rockets can only face forwards
+* Rockets only have 13 degrees of horizontal guidance in each direction
-* Armour of a [[T-60]] (very low)
+* Same poor armour as the [[T-60]]
-* Extremely long reload time, even with maximum reload rate it still takes 3.2 minutes to reload all rockets
+* Reloads the entire rack at once, leaving you helpless for the entire 30 second reload if you're out of ammo, and doesn't reload any faster if you don't need a full reload
 * Small rocket supply of only 24
 * Very poor depression can cause it to be problematic to hit low targets at close ranges
-* Limited penetration of rockets even on direct hits, being only able to damage open SPGs and SPAAs
+* Lowest penetration on a primary weapon in the entire game; penetration is extremely poor even on direct hits, leaving most vehicles difficult or impossible to penetrate
 == History ==
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 ;Vehicles equipped with the same chassis
 * [[T-60]]
 ;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role
 * [[Calliope]]
 * [[Panzerwerfer 42]]

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 ==== Ammunition ====
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+{{:M-8/Ammunition|M-8}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 == See also ==

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 The Katyusha launchers, issued in large numbers in the Eastern Front, was largely successful in the strategic effect of the war, granting the Soviet Union the ability to lay down a very heavy and shocking bombardment very quickly. The success of the system prompted many other countries to pursue such a system as well, such as the modified [[Calliope|T34 Calliope]] based off the Sherman and the Germans [[15 cm Pz.W.42|Panzerwerfer 42]]s. Today, the multiple rocket launcher system is still widespread with the implementation of newer technology, rockets, and missiles that make the rocket launcher system a very potent weapon to anyone on the receiving end.
-=== In-game description ===
+{{break}}
 Based on the T-60 light tank, the first BM-8-24-class self-propelled mount featuring a jet-based volley-fire system on a tank chassis was built in 1941. At first the self-propelled mount was released on the basis of the T-40 light tank, but it was later replaced on the assembly line by the T-60 tank, and production continued on this basis.
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 A total of 44 T-40 tanks were re-equipped as volley-fire installations.
 == Media ==

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-Notes:
+'''Notes''':
 * Rockets deplete from left to right, top row first and then bottom row.
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 ===Development===
-The concept of a multiple rocket launcher system came about in June 1938, when the Soviet Jet Propulsion Research Institute was authorized by the Main Artillery Directorate to develop such system for the RS-132 rocket in use on their aircraft. A prototype by I. Gvay in Chelyabinsk was tried and fired M-132 rockets on ZiS-5 trucks, though these were unstable and were revised on the proposals of V.N. Galkovskiy to mount the launching rails longitudinally. Testing for the newly made prototype began at the end of 1938, firing 233 rounds in a couple of salvos. The rockets were found to be able to hit up to 5,500 meters out, but the system was not looked fondly upon by the artillery branch. It took 50 minutes to load 24 rockets onto the launching rail, while a regular artillery cannon and howitzer can fire about a hundred in the same time at a sustained rate.
+The concept of a multiple rocket launcher system came about in June 1938, when the Soviet Jet Propulsion Research Institute was authorized by the Main Artillery Directorate to develop such system for the RS-132 rocket in use on their aircraft. A prototype by I. Gvay in Chelyabinsk was tried and fired M-132 rockets on ZiS-5 trucks, though these were unstable and were revised on the proposals of V.N. Galkovskiy to mount the launching rails longitudinally. Testing for the newly made prototype began at the end of 1938, firing 233 rounds in a couple of salvos. The rockets were found to be able to hit up to 5,500 m out, but the system was not looked fondly upon by the artillery branch. It took 50 minutes to load 24 rockets onto the launching rail, while a regular artillery cannon and howitzer can fire about a hundred in the same time at a sustained rate.
 Testing continued up until 1940 and with a prototype of a truck with the launch rails on the back. The design was approved for production before Germany invaded the Soviet Union in June 1941, and mass-production began after the first month of the war, where the multiple rocket launchers proved very successful. During the war, the launchers were taken with much secrecy and operated by specialized troops such as the NKVD who do not even know its true name. Through the presence of a "K" on the vehicles from the Komintern Factory, the soldiers operating decided to nickname these launchers ''"Katyusha"'' after a popular wartime song of the same name. Up to 3,237 of all types of Katyusha launchers were produced from 1941 to the end of 1942, and more than 10,000 were made by the end of the war.
 ===Advantages and disadvantages===
-Compared to the contemporary artillery systems of the time, the multiple rocket launcher system presented a different kind of artillery barrages used in the field. Advantages the multiple rocket launcher was that they were simple, extremely effective in saturation bombardment, fires lots of ordnance in a small time span, and were usually attached to mobile vehicles that can permit a quick retreat after firing to prevent counter-battery firing. Disadvantages with the system were that the rockets took a long time to reload, less accurate than regular artillery guns, and cannot sustain fire for a long period of time. However, in the battlefield, the multiple rocket launcher induces a greater psychological effect onto the targets on the receiving end due to the heavy amount of explosives able to be delivered in a short time. A battery of only four launchers could deliver their salvos of about 4.35 tons of explosives in a span of no longer than 10 seconds at a 400,000 square meter area.
+Compared to the contemporary artillery systems of the time, the multiple rocket launcher system presented a different kind of artillery barrages used in the field. Advantages the multiple rocket launcher was that they were simple, extremely effective in saturation bombardment, fires lots of ordnance in a small time span, and were usually attached to mobile vehicles that can permit a quick retreat after firing to prevent counter-battery firing. Disadvantages with the system were that the rockets took a long time to reload, less accurate than regular artillery guns, and cannot sustain fire for a long period of time. However, in the battlefield, the multiple rocket launcher induces a greater psychological effect onto the targets on the receiving end due to the heavy amount of explosives able to be delivered in a short time. A battery of only four launchers could deliver their salvos of about 4.35 tons of explosives in a span of no longer than 10 seconds at a 400,000 square metre area.
 ===Designations===
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+* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=ussr_bm_8_24 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 ;Videos
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 ;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role
 * [[Calliope]]
 * [[Panzerwerfer 42]]
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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{specs|name}}''' is premium rank {{specs|rank}} Soviet tank destroyer 1.3 (AB/RB/SB). It was introduced in [[Update 1.53 "Firestorm"]]. It is a [[T-60]] chassis carrying Katyusha rocket launcher that can fire 24 rockets towards the enemy. It was also the vehicle that had to be used to unlock the BM-13N in the 2017 Victory Day Event.
+The '''{{specs|name}}''' is premium rank {{specs|rank}} Soviet tank destroyer {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.53 "Firestorm"]]. It is a [[T-60]] chassis carrying Katyusha rocket launcher that can fire 24 rockets towards the enemy. It was also the vehicle that had to be used to unlock the BM-13N in the 2017 Victory Day Event.
 == General info ==

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 ! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
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-| M-8 || Rocket || 24 || 24 || 24 || 24 || 24 || 24
+| M-8 || Rocket || 9 || 9 || 9 || 9 || 9 || 9
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 ! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
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-| M-8 || Rocket || 260 || 7.84 || 0.0 || 0.1 || N/A || 79° || 80° || 81°
+| M-8 || Rocket || 315 || 7.92 || 0.0 || 0.1 || 600 || 79° || 80° || 81°
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-The BM-8-24 only offers 24 rockets as it's main armament, the ideal playstyle is use the terrain to hide from the enemies and wait for them to pass you by before you strike. A BM-8-24 is able to cause havoc on the battlefield, even with it's limited main armament. The rockets work best when they are fired in volley, it takes one well placed hit to knock out an enemy tank.
+The BM-8-24 only offers 24 rockets as it's main armament, the ideal playstyle is use the terrain to hide from the enemies and wait for them to pass you by before you strike. The rockets work best when they are fired in volley, it takes one well placed hit to knock out an enemy tank.
 To do this, get close as you can and aim for the sides, you want to aim for biggest surface you can see. The rockets are not accurate  as with any rocket tank, so aiming for sides offer your biggest chance to successfully hit the target. You only need one hit to penetrate and detonate inside of the enemy tank knocking it and awarding you the credit for it.
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 * Small rocket supply of only 24
 * Very poor depression can cause it to be problematic to hit low targets at close ranges
-* Limited penetration of rockets even on direct hits, being only able to damage open SPG's and very lightly armoured tanks and SPAA's
+* Limited penetration of rockets even on direct hits, being only able to damage open SPG's and SPAA's
 * Non-adjustable gun sights, aiming is almost pure guesswork (though can be fixed by setting up a custom sight)