B17B - Revision history

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-In the late 1930s, the Swedish Air Force was looking to replace their ageing Fokker S 6 biplane reconnaissance aircraft with a newer aircraft. Work began by Armstrong Siddeley Jaguar and was designated as the L 10, however in 1939 after merging with Saab, the designation was changed to '''Saab 17'''. Though only serving for a few short years with the Swedish Air Force due to the advent of turbojet aircraft, the {{PAGENAME}} continued to serve with other countries for another 20 years. The design had many variations, but the B17B was the second upgrade for the B17, following the B17A. The most important upgrade was the replacement of the old engine with a SFA-built Bristol Mercury XXIV radial engine. The B17B was also used as a basis for the [[S17BS]].
+In the late 1930s, the Swedish Air Force was looking to replace their ageing Fokker S 6 biplane reconnaissance aircraft with a newer aircraft. Work began by ASJA and was designated as the L 10, however in 1939 after merging with Saab, the designation was changed to '''Saab 17'''. Though only serving for a few short years with the Swedish Air Force due to the advent of turbojet aircraft, the {{PAGENAME}} continued to serve with other countries for another 20 years. The design had many variations, but the B17B was the second upgrade for the B17, following the B17A. The most important upgrade was the replacement of the old engine with a SFA-built Bristol Mercury XXIV radial engine. The B17B was also used as a basis for the [[S17BS]].
-Introduced in [[Update 1.95 "Northern Wind"]], this bomber featuring a Swedish license-built Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp engine can hustle to its target (though not faster than many fighters it will face), but diving towards the ground and making a b-line for the target will ensure you get there as fast as possible. Sometimes making a bit of a wide arc along the sides of the map will ensure fighters will ignore you until they start seeing you blow up a bunch of ground targets and become a threat to their side winning. It has a reasonable payload and excels as a ground attacker, in air RB is very useful against light pillboxes and columns of tanks, meanwhile in ground RB the larger 250KG and 500KG bombs are more suited to destroy player controlled vehicles.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.95 "Northern Wind"]], this bomber featuring a Swedish license-built Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp engine can hustle to its target (though not faster than many fighters it will face), but diving towards the ground and making a beeline for the target will ensure you get there as fast as possible. Sometimes making a bit of a wide arc along the sides of the map will ensure fighters will ignore you until they start seeing you blow up a bunch of ground targets and become a threat to their side winning. It has a reasonable payload and excels as a ground attacker, in air RB is very useful against light pillboxes and columns of tanks, meanwhile in ground RB the larger 250 kg and 500 kg bombs are more suited to destroy player controlled vehicles.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.95 "Northern Wind"]].
+In the late 1930s, the Swedish Air Force was looking to replace their ageing Fokker S 6 biplane reconnaissance aircraft with a newer aircraft. Work began by Armstrong Siddeley Jaguar and was designated as the L 10, however in 1939 after merging with Saab, the designation was changed to '''Saab 17'''. Though only serving for a few short years with the Swedish Air Force due to the advent of turbojet aircraft, the {{PAGENAME}} continued to serve with other countries for another 20 years. The design had many variations, but the B17B was the second upgrade for the B17, following the B17A. The most important upgrade was the replacement of the old engine with a SFA-built Bristol Mercury XXIV radial engine. The B17B was also used as a basis for the [[S17BS]].
-In the late 1930s, the Swedish Air Force was looking to replace their ageing Fokker S 6 biplane reconnaissance aircraft with a newer aircraft. Work began by Armstrong Siddeley Jaguar and was designated as the L 10, however in 1939 after merging with Saab, the designation was changed to Saab 17. Updated requirements required the reinforcing of the wings to be able to utilise the aircraft as a dive bomber though further modifications were necessary to ensure clearance of bombs mounted on the underside of the fuselage so they would clear the propeller arc when dropped during a dive.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.95 "Northern Wind"]], this bomber featuring a Swedish license-built Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp engine can hustle to its target (though not faster than many fighters it will face), but diving towards the ground and making a b-line for the target will ensure you get there as fast as possible. Sometimes making a bit of a wide arc along the sides of the map will ensure fighters will ignore you until they start seeing you blow up a bunch of ground targets and become a threat to their side winning. It has a reasonable payload and excels as a ground attacker, in air RB is very useful against light pillboxes and columns of tanks, meanwhile in ground RB the larger 250KG and 500KG bombs are more suited to destroy player controlled vehicles.
 == General info ==
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 {{Navigation-Start|Default weapon presets}}
 {{Navigation-First-Simple-Line}}
 * 9 x 50 kg sb m/42 bombs (450 kg total)
 * 1 x 250 kg mb m/40 bomb (250 kg total)

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-| rowspan="3" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_B17B.png]]</div>
+| rowspan="3" width="30%" | <div class="ttx-image">[[File:Hardpoints_B17A.png]]</div>
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 ! [[sb m/42 (50 kg)|50 kg sb m/42]] bombs

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 {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
 * 9 x 50 kg sb m/42 bombs (450 kg total)
 * 1 x 250 kg mb m/40 bomb (250 kg total)
-* 1 x 250 kg mb m/40 bomb + 4 x 50 kg sb m/42 bombs (450 kg total)
+{{Navigation-End}}
 While the initial payload option consisting of nine 50 kg bombs might feel a little on the weak side compared to a might 500 kg bomb, fear not as other nation aircraft such as the comparable Sukhoi [[Su-2 (Family)|Su-2]] or the massive Farman [[F.222.2]] and its 52 x 50 kg bombs can completely devastate columns of vehicles on early maps. These light trucks and anti-aircraft artillery are easily dispatched with the 50 kg bombs and can easily reward the bomber pilot with the [[Awards]] "Antimech", "Heavy Metal Fury" or "Thunderer", just to name a few.

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-=== Survivability and armor ===
+=== Survivability and armour ===
 {{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
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-=== Survivability and armour ===
+=== Survivability and armor ===
 {{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.'' -->
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 ;Ground/Fleet attacker
-Typically this bomber will be found at a lower altitude and after dropping bombs (and either waiting for the reload timer or heading back to base), there are typically targets of opportunity which the 8 mm machine guns can inflict damage or destroy. Due to the limited machine guns on the aircraft, it may be necessary to make a second pass. The manoeuvrability of this aircraft is sufficient enough to quickly turn around and make another pass. Dwelling in one target environment for long is never a good option as you will draw the attention of fighters so be on the move and keep the speed of the aircraft at a good clip to ensure potential energy is there when you need it.
+Typically this bomber will be found at a lower altitude and after dropping bombs (and either waiting for the reload timer or heading back to base), there are typically targets of opportunity which the 8 mm machine guns can inflict damage or destroy. Due to the limited machine guns on the aircraft, it may be necessary to make a second pass. These machine guns also suffer from poor cooling so make sure to fire in short bursts and to keep an eye on how hot they are to avoid a gun jamming. The manoeuvrability of this aircraft is sufficient enough to quickly turn around and make another pass. Dwelling in one target environment for long is never a good option as you will draw the attention of fighters so be on the move and keep the speed of the aircraft at a good clip to ensure potential energy is there when you need it.
 === Manual Engine Control ===
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=saab_b17b Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

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 * 1 x 250 kg mb m/40 bomb + 4 x 50 kg sb m/42 bombs (450 kg total)
-While the initial payload option consisting of nine 50 kg bombs might feel a little on the weak side compared to a might 500 kg bomb, fear not as other nation aircraft such as the comparable Sukhoi [[Su-2 (Family)|Su-2]] or the massive Farman [[F.222.2]] and its 52 x 50 kg bombs can completely devastate columns of vehicles on early maps. These light trucks and anti-aircraft artillery are easily dispatched with the 50 kg bombs and can easily reward the bomber pilot with the [[awards]] "Antimech", "Heavy Metal Fury" or "Thunderer", just to name a few.
+While the initial payload option consisting of nine 50 kg bombs might feel a little on the weak side compared to a might 500 kg bomb, fear not as other nation aircraft such as the comparable Sukhoi [[Su-2 (Family)|Su-2]] or the massive Farman [[F.222.2]] and its 52 x 50 kg bombs can completely devastate columns of vehicles on early maps. These light trucks and anti-aircraft artillery are easily dispatched with the 50 kg bombs and can easily reward the bomber pilot with the [[Awards]] "Antimech", "Heavy Metal Fury" or "Thunderer", just to name a few.
 Larger payload options should be reserved for targets which tend to be the tougher nut to crack such as pillboxes or medium and heavy tanks. Base bombing should be avoided unless flying in arcade battles without the threat of enemy fighters, but at the rate of 320 kg or 450 kg at a time, it will take a while to eliminate a base unless you are working with others.
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 '''Pros:'''
-* Very good bomb load (rivals Sukhoi [[Su-2 (Family)|Su-2]] light bombers)
+* Very good bomb load
-* Extended landing gear can act as a "poor-man's" airbrake
+* Extended landing gear can act as an airbrake
 * Very manoeuvrable low to the ground, can easily out turn most heavy fighters
 * For an aircraft at its BR, it has a decent amount of armour
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 '''Cons:'''
-* Weak frontal and rear dorsal armament consisting of two and one 8mm machine gun(s) respectively
+* Weak frontal and rear dorsal armament consisting of two and one 8 mm machine guns respectively
 * Rear dorsal machine gun has a limited range of motion
 * Vertical stabilizer causes firing blindspot directly to the rear of the aircraft
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 == Media ==
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 <gallery mode="packed" heights="200px">
 File:B17 B -2.png|A SAAB B17B Dive-bombing an American convoy
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 ;Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era
 * Douglas [[SBD-3|SBD]] Dauntless
 * Junkers [[Ju 87 (Family)|Ju 87]]
 * Sukhoi [[Su-2 (Family)|Su-2]]
 == External links ==
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 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.'' -->

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 * Very manoeuvrable low to the ground, can easily out turn most heavy fighters
 * For an aircraft at its BR, it has a decent amount of armour
-* The aircraft have significantly less drag compared to its predecessor, B17BS<ref>[[B17BS]]</ref>
+* Lacks the high-drag floats of the preceding [[B17BS]]
 '''Cons:'''
 * Weak frontal and rear dorsal armament consisting of two and one 8mm machine gun(s) respectively
 * Rear dorsal machine gun has a limited range of motion
 * Vertical stabilizer causes firing blindspot directly to the rear of the aircraft
 * Limited dive-bombing capabilities due to a lack of air brakes (can do shallow dives)
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 == History ==
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-Late in the 1930s, aircraft manufacture Armstrong Siddeley Jaguar began developing the L 10, a reconnaissance aircraft in response to requirements set forth by the Swedish Air Force. The hopes were to replace the ageing biplane force of Fokker S 6s. Partway through the initial development of the aircraft, ASJA merged with SAAB and as such, the designation of the aircraft changed to SAAB 17. In addition to the reconnaissance portion of the aircraft’s capabilities, the wings were strengthened in order to be able to withstand higher forces imposed when utilising this aircraft as a dive bomber.  Though outfitted with a centreline hardpoint to mount bombs, problems during dive-bombing would have occurred because released bombs would impact with the propeller. To avoid this and clear the propeller arc, a rigging system was built to ensure the bomb was thrown clear of the propeller arc in the event of dive-bombing.
+Late in the 1930s, aircraft manufacture Armstrong Siddeley Jaguar began developing the L 10, a reconnaissance aircraft in response to requirements set forth by the Swedish Air Force. The hopes were to replace the ageing biplane force of Fokker S 6s. Partway through the initial development of the aircraft, ASJA merged with SAAB and as such, the designation of the aircraft changed to SAAB 17. In addition to the reconnaissance portion of the aircraft's capabilities, the wings were strengthened in order to be able to withstand higher forces imposed when utilising this aircraft as a dive bomber.  Though outfitted with a centreline hardpoint to mount bombs, problems during dive-bombing would have occurred because released bombs would impact with the propeller. To avoid this and clear the propeller arc, a rigging system was built to ensure the bomb was thrown clear of the propeller arc in the event of dive-bombing.
 The B17 saw limited usage with the Swedish Air Force, however, forty-six were sold to Ethiopia where they remained in active service all the way through 1968. Finland acquired two aircraft, however, they were utilised as target-tugs and quickly were destroyed during accidents. With the unique landing gear configuration, several were modified for usage with skis or floats for alternate landing locations, though the majority were outfitted with the unique covered landing gear.