B17A - Revision history

U28580205 at 03:04, 5 February 2024

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U104871884: /* Usage in battles */ Fighter play style

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‎Usage in battles: Fighter play style

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U95595778: /* History */

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 The {{PAGENAME}} is used effectively as a low-altitude bomber, however, it can also be used to an extent as an attacker too.
 ;Fighter play-style
 Several different configurations of bombs area available for the {{PAGENAME}} depending on the targets available on any given map. The smaller 50 kg bombs tend to be used best on low-altitude quick strikes against columns of vehicles driving down a roadway. Low-altitude works best here as the vehicles do not have as much time to scatter and avoid incoming bombs. The 50 kg bombs do not have a huge shrapnel radius, so the less time the vehicles have to scatter the more likely they will be destroyed by direct explosion or the shrapnel wave which follows.
 The larger 250 kg and 500 kg bombs are not as effective against mobile vehicle targets unless they clustered relatively close together where the splash damage from the bombs will take out multiple targets at a time. Targets which are more heavily protected such as pillboxes, medium and heavy tanks are also good options for the heavier bombs. Though these bombs will put a small dent in the larger bases, those should be left to medium or heavy bombers which can carry multiple 500 kg+ bombs, however, if bombers are grouping up on a base, do not hesitate to lend a hand if you are close enough to toss in a few bombs.
-;'''<big>Ground/Fleet attacker</big>'''
+;Ground/Fleet attacker
 Typically this bomber will be found at a lower altitude and after dropping bombs (and either waiting for the reload timer or heading back to base), there are typically targets of opportunity which the 8 mm machine guns can inflict damage or destroy. Due to the limited machine guns on the aircraft, it may be necessary to make a second pass. The manoeuvrability of this aircraft is sufficient enough to quickly turn around and make another pass. Dwelling in one target environment for long is never a good option as you will draw the attention of fighters so be on the move and keep the speed of the aircraft at a good clip to ensure potential energy is there when you need it.

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 The {{PAGENAME}} is used effectively as a low-altitude bomber, however, it can also be used to an extent as an attacker too.
 ;Bomber
 Several different configurations of bombs area available for the {{PAGENAME}} depending on the targets available on any given map. The smaller 50 kg bombs tend to be used best on low-altitude quick strikes against columns of vehicles driving down a roadway. Low-altitude works best here as the vehicles do not have as much time to scatter and avoid incoming bombs. The 50 kg bombs do not have a huge shrapnel radius, so the less time the vehicles have to scatter the more likely they will be destroyed by direct explosion or the shrapnel wave which follows.
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 The larger 250 kg and 500 kg bombs are not as effective against mobile vehicle targets unless they clustered relatively close together where the splash damage from the bombs will take out multiple targets at a time. Targets which are more heavily protected such as pillboxes, medium and heavy tanks are also good options for the heavier bombs. Though these bombs will put a small dent in the larger bases, those should be left to medium or heavy bombers which can carry multiple 500 kg+ bombs, however, if bombers are grouping up on a base, do not hesitate to lend a hand if you are close enough to toss in a few bombs.
-;Ground/Fleet attacker
+;'''<big>Ground/Fleet attacker</big>'''
 Typically this bomber will be found at a lower altitude and after dropping bombs (and either waiting for the reload timer or heading back to base), there are typically targets of opportunity which the 8 mm machine guns can inflict damage or destroy. Due to the limited machine guns on the aircraft, it may be necessary to make a second pass. The manoeuvrability of this aircraft is sufficient enough to quickly turn around and make another pass. Dwelling in one target environment for long is never a good option as you will draw the attention of fighters so be on the move and keep the speed of the aircraft at a good clip to ensure potential energy is there when you need it.

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 == Description ==
-<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->In the late 1930s, the Swedish Air Force was looking to replace their ageing Fokker S 6 biplane reconnaissance aircraft with a newer aircraft. Work began by Armstrong Siddeley Jaguar and was designated as the L 10, however in 1939 after merging with Saab, the designation was changed to '''Saab 17'''. Though only serving for a few short years with the Swedish Air Force due to the advent of turbojet aircraft, the B17B continued to serve with other countries for another 20 years. The '''B17A''' was the first production variant of the Saab 17, it was also the one with most units built, at 132, it was powered by an (SFA)-built STWC-3 (Pratt & Whitney R-1830-S1C3G Twin Wasp) radial engine. The powerplant had to be changed in the B17B, however the new engine was more reliable.
+<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-Introduced in [[Update 1.95 "Northern Wind"]]. Much like its predecessor in the tech tree, the B17B, the '''B17A''' is a maneuverable and relatively fast attacker, is the fastest of all B17s. The offensive armament is very normal for its BR, however it has access to a good payload with enough bombs to be a threat in ground RB for players and to destroy several AI units in air matches. In air RB the 250KG and 500KG bombs are more suited to deal with the heavier tanks, but in air matches the 50KG bombs are enough to destroy most AI units. The vehicle however can feel a bit junky, the defensive armament is not strong enough to deter other fighters from intercepting you and it will easily be outmanoeuvred by biplanes.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.95 "Northern Wind"]]. Much like its predecessor in the tech tree, the [[B17B]], the '''B17A''' is a manoeuvrable and relatively fast attacker, and the fastest of all B17s. The offensive armament is very normal for its BR, however it has access to a good payload with enough bombs to be a threat in ground RB for players and to destroy several AI units in air matches. In air RB, the 250 kg and 500 kg bombs are more suited to deal with the heavier tanks, but in air matches the 50 kg bombs are enough to destroy most AI units. The vehicle however can feel a bit sluggish, the defensive armament is not strong enough to deter other fighters from intercepting you and it will easily be outmanoeuvred by biplanes.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
-<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
+<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->In the late 1930s, the Swedish Air Force was looking to replace their ageing Fokker S 6 biplane reconnaissance aircraft with a newer aircraft. Work began by Armstrong Siddeley Jaguar and was designated as the L 10, however in 1939 after merging with Saab, the designation was changed to '''Saab 17'''. Though only serving for a few short years with the Swedish Air Force due to the advent of turbojet aircraft, the B17B continued to serve with other countries for another 20 years. The '''B17A''' was the first production variant of the Saab 17, it was also the one with most units built, at 132, it was powered by an (SFA)-built STWC-3 (Pratt & Whitney R-1830-S1C3G Twin Wasp) radial engine. The powerplant had to be changed in the B17B, however the new engine was more reliable.
-In the late 1930s, the Swedish Air Force was looking to replace their ageing Fokker S 6 biplane reconnaissance aircraft with a newer aircraft. Work began by Armstrong Siddeley Jaguar and was designated as the L 10, however in 1939 after merging with Saab, the designation was changed to Saab 17. Updated requirements required the reinforcing of the wings to be able to utilise the aircraft as a dive bomber though further modifications were necessary to ensure clearance of bombs mounted on the underside of the fuselage so they would clear the propeller arc when dropped during a dive.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.95 "Northern Wind"]]. Much like its predecessor in the tech tree, the B17B, the '''B17A''' is a maneuverable and relatively fast attacker, is the fastest of all B17s. The offensive armament is very normal for its BR, however it has access to a good payload with enough bombs to be a threat in ground RB for players and to destroy several AI units in air matches. In air RB the 250KG and 500KG bombs are more suited to deal with the heavier tanks, but in air matches the 50KG bombs are enough to destroy most AI units. The vehicle however can feel a bit junky, the defensive armament is not strong enough to deter other fighters from intercepting you and it will easily be outmanoeuvred by biplanes.
 == General info ==
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 {{Navigation-Start|Default weapon presets}}
 {{Navigation-First-Simple-Line}}
 * 9 x 50 kg sb m/42 bombs (450 kg total)
 * 1 x 250 kg mb m/40 bomb (250 kg total)
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=saab_b17a Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Related development
 * [[B17 (Family)]]

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 {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
 * 9 x 50 kg sb m/42 bombs (450 kg total)
 * 1 x 250 kg mb m/40 bomb (250 kg total)
 * 1 x 500 kg mb m/41 bomb (500 kg total)
 While the initial payload option consisting of nine 50 kg bombs might feel a little on the weak side compared to a mighty 500 kg bomb. Fear not, as other nations' aircraft such as the comparable Sukhoi [[Su-2 (Family)|Su-2]] or the massive Farman [[F.222.2]] and its 52 x 50 kg bombs can completely devastate columns of vehicles on early maps. These light trucks and anti-aircraft artillery are easily dispatched with the 50 kg bombs and can easily reward the bomber pilot with the [[Awards|awards]] "Antimech", "Heavy Metal Fury" or "Thunderer" to name a few.
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-Late in the 1930s, aircraft manufacture Armstrong Siddeley Jaguar began developing the L 10, a reconnaissance aircraft in response to requirements set forth by the Swedish Air Force. The hopes were to replace the ageing biplane force of Fokker S 6s. Partway through the initial development of the aircraft, ASJA merged with SAAB and as such, the designation of the aircraft changed to SAAB 17. In addition to the reconnaissance portion of the aircraft’s capabilities, the wings were strengthened in order to be able to withstand higher forces imposed when utilising this aircraft as a dive bomber.  Though outfitted with a centreline hardpoint to mount bombs, problems during dive-bombing would have occurred because released bombs would impact with the propeller. To avoid this and clear the propeller arc, a rigging system was built to ensure the bomb was thrown clear of the propeller arc in the event of dive-bombing.
+Late in the 1930s, aircraft manufacture Armstrong Siddeley Jaguar began developing the L 10, a reconnaissance aircraft in response to requirements set forth by the Swedish Air Force. The hopes were to replace the ageing biplane force of Fokker S 6s. Partway through the initial development of the aircraft, ASJA merged with SAAB and as such, the designation of the aircraft changed to SAAB 17. In addition to the reconnaissance portion of the aircraft's capabilities, the wings were strengthened in order to be able to withstand higher forces imposed when utilising this aircraft as a dive bomber.  Though outfitted with a centreline hardpoint to mount bombs, problems during dive-bombing would have occurred because released bombs would impact with the propeller. To avoid this and clear the propeller arc, a rigging system was built to ensure the bomb was thrown clear of the propeller arc in the event of dive-bombing.
 The B17 saw limited usage with the Swedish Air Force, however, forty-six were sold to Ethiopia where they remained in active service all the way through 1968. Finland acquired two aircraft, however, they were utilised as target-tugs and quickly were destroyed during accidents. With the unique landing gear configuration, several were modified for usage with skis or floats for alternate landing locations, though the majority were outfitted with the unique covered landing gear.
 === [[wt:en/news/6495-development-b17a-saab-s-first-en|Devblog]] ===
 As it was rearming its air force in the late 30s, Sweden decided to acquire its own high-speed scout bomber to perform tactical functions on the battlefield and support ground troops. The designing of the aircraft was entrusted to ASJA, whose engineers developed a project for a single-engine mid-winged aircraft that was quite technologically advanced given the state of Swedish manufacturing.
 In order to implement the project, they had to recruit a team of experienced aircraft builders from the American company Northrop, and the project was brought to life with their direct involvement. At first, the aircraft was designed primarily to perform scouting operations and was supposed to be equipped with R-1830-SC3-G Twin Wasp engines from the American manufacturer Pratt & Whitney. However, the American moratorium on the sale of military technology to potential enemies in the upcoming war, the merging of ASJA into the SAAB concern, and protracted deadlines for reorganizing and rearming the air force led to some adjustments to the project.
 First of all, the aircraft was rather quickly changed from a scout into a bomber, so it was given a bomb bay, and the doors on its deployed landing gear had to serve as something akin to an air brake for dive-bombing. Second, problems with the delivery of a batch of American engines made it necessary to equip the first mass-produced version with less powerful copies of British Bristol Pegasus XXIV engines. A version of the aircraft with the American engine eventually saw the light of day under the designation A after the mass-produced version of the B17B with a British engine had already been manufactured. A total of 300 SAAB B17s were manufactured in various modifications, including aircraft equipped with floats and even skis for use with winter airstrips. These aircraft were used in Sweden until the late 40s, and some of the bombers were exported (for example, to Ethiopia, where B17s were used up until the late 1960s).

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 == Media ==
 <!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
 ;Images
-<gallery mode="packed" widths="250" heights="150">
+<gallery mode="packed-hover" heights="150">
 File:SAAB B17A WTWallpaper 001.jpg|
 File:SAAB B17A WTWallpaper 002.jpg|
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 ;Related development
+* [[B17 (Family)]]
 ;Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era
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 * Aichi [[D3A1|D3A]]
 * Douglas [[SBD-3|SBD]] Dauntless
-* Ilyushin [[IL-2 (Family)|Il-2]]
+* Ilyushin [[IL-2 (Family)|IL-2]]
 * Junkers [[Ju 87 (Family)|Ju 87]]
 * Sukhoi [[Su-2 (Family)|Su-2]]
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 <!-- ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.'' -->

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 The B17 saw limited usage with the Swedish Air Force, however, forty-six were sold to Ethiopia where they remained in active service all the way through 1968. Finland acquired two aircraft, however, they were utilised as target-tugs and quickly were destroyed during accidents. With the unique landing gear configuration, several were modified for usage with skis or floats for alternate landing locations, though the majority were outfitted with the unique covered landing gear.
 == Media ==
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-File:SAAB_B17A_WTWallpaper_001.jpg
+File:SAAB B17A WTWallpaper 001.jpg|
-File:SAAB_B17A_WTWallpaper_002.jpg
+File:SAAB B17A WTWallpaper 002.jpg|
-File:SAAB_B17A_WTWallpaper_003.jpg
+File:SAAB B17A WTWallpaper 003.jpg|
-File:SAAB_B17A_WTWallpaper_004.jpg
+File:SAAB B17A WTWallpaper 004.jpg|
-File:SAAB_B17A_WTWallpaper_005.jpg
+File:SAAB B17A WTWallpaper 005.jpg|
-File:SAAB_B17A_WTWallpaper_006.jpg
+File:SAAB B17A WTWallpaper 006.jpg|
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 ! Combat !! Take-off !! Landing !! + !! -
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-| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 400 || 400 || 280 || ~8 || ~6
+| {{Specs|destruction|body}} || {{Specs|destruction|gear}} || 386 || 369 || 280 || ~10 || ~7
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 * [[wt:en/news/6495-development-b17a-saab-s-first-en|[Development] B17A: SAAB's first]]
-* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/474731-saab-b18a/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]
+* [https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/474735-saab-b17a/ Official data sheet - more details about the performance]
 {{AirManufacturer Saab}}
 {{Sweden bombers}}