B-17G (Israel) - Revision history

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 * Slower speed compared to equivalent German bombers
 * Rear gunner susceptible to getting knocked out by incoming fire
-* Engines overheat quickly when using WEP specially if the radiator modification is not purchased
+* Engines overheat quickly when using WEP specially if the radiator modification is not installed
 == History ==

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 * Slower speed compared to equivalent German bombers
 * Rear gunner susceptible to getting knocked out by incoming fire
 == History ==

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 == Description ==
-By 1948 B-17s were no longer in service with the USAF as bombers. And since the IAF was desperate to acquire any combat worthy aircraft, the IAF got their hands in 3 privately owned, unarmed units that were flown to Czechoslovakia and armed with 7.62mm MGs, makeshift bomb sights and German bomb racks. The planes bombed several targets during their travel to Israel, and during the entire Arab-Israeli War of 1948, the 3 planes flew 200 sorties and were fully decommissioned in 1958 after being used as radio transceivers during the Sinai War of 1956.
+<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-It was introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]]. At its BR, its vulnerable to almost any plane but specially the ones with air spawn/good climb rate. Planes like the Ta 152H, F8F-1B and BF-109s are common threats thanks to their good armament and climb rate capabilities. Like all strategic bombers is capable of destroying an entire base, however once spawned pilots should try to climb to more than 6000M to be safe at least until the base is destroyed. When facing enemy planes, the weakest position is the front. Thus why, when a dangerous enemy plane is detected, pilots should give the rear of the plane to the enemy to make shots harder.
+The B-17 was introduced along with the initial Israeli air tree in [[Update "Winged Lions"]]. At its BR, it's vulnerable to almost any plane, but especially those with air spawns or good climb rates. Planes like the Ta 152H, F8F-1B, and Bf 109s are common threats thanks to their good armament and climb capabilities. Like all strategic bombers, the B-17 is capable of destroying an entire base, however once spawned pilots should try to climb to more than 6000 m to be safe at least until the base is destroyed. When facing enemy planes, the weakest position is the front. Thus, when a dangerous enemy plane is detected, pilots should give the rear of the plane to the enemy to make shots harder.
 == General info ==
 === Flight performance ===
 {{Specs-Avia-Flight}}
-<!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->As a strategic bomber, the B-17G is slow, and can't maneuver at all. 2G turns may cause the wings to rip off the fuselage. The acceleration is also lacking, alongside the climb rate, compared to similar Soviet or German bombers. Engines tend to overheat when WEP is used for too long, but they can be runed in WEP for most of the time with the right thrust control.
+<!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->
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 === Modifications and economy ===
 {{Specs-Economy}}
 This slow and lumbering heavy bomber relies entirely on its turrets for defence. Without it, the plane is target practice. Thus "Protective vests" should be the first unlock. Further survivability upgrades will make the fight easier, but do not think it will successfully face-off against enemy fighters. Upgrading the bomb payloads should be second priority. Performance modules can be considered the least necessary.
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 {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
-{{main|100/50 kg G.P. (100 kg)|250/50 kg G.P. (250 kg)|500/50 kg G.P. (500 kg)}}The best loadout of the B-17G for use against bases in ground RB and Sim is the '''12 x 250/50 kg G.P. bombs'''. Since this offers enough bombs to destroy several bases that may already be damaged without having to commit too many bombs in a single base like may happen with the '''6 x 500/50 kg G.P. bombs'''. However in ground RB this last loadout may be the best, since the bigger bombs offer less margin of error and compensate the lack of precision with more explosive range.
+{{main|100/50 kg G.P. (100 kg)|250/50 kg G.P. (250 kg)|500/50 kg G.P. (500 kg)}}
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
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 * 12 x 250/50 kg G.P. bombs (3,000 kg total)
 * 6 x 500/50 kg G.P. bombs (3,000 kg total)
 === Defensive armament ===
 {{Specs-Avia-Defensive}}
 <!-- ''Defensive armament with turret machine guns or cannons, crewed by gunners. Examine the number of gunners and what belts or drums are better to use. If defensive weaponry is not available, remove this subsection.'' -->
-{{main|M2 Browning (12.7 mm)}}The 50. cals in the B-17G may not be as effective as the 20mm or 13mm guns used in other bombers. But these guns can also be very good. Since they have better range and most of the time better rate of fire. The best belt to use is the Universal belts, since this has the most ammount of Armor Piercing Incendiary [AP-I] shots, that are very good at causing engine failure and have enough penetration to kill pilots with some lucky shots.
+{{main|M2 Browning (12.7 mm)}}
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is defended by:
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 * 1 x 12.7 mm M2 Browning machine gun, 2 x beam turrets (600 rpg)
 * 1 x 12.7 mm M2 Browning machine gun, 2 x nose turrets (300 rpg)
 == Usage in battles ==
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 * Strong .50 cal gun placement to shoot down incoming fighters
 * Can be equipped with more than enough bombs to take out a base even in full uptiers
 '''Cons:'''

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 == Description ==
-<!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
+By 1948 B-17s were no longer in service with the USAF as bombers. And since the IAF was desperate to acquire any combat worthy aircraft, the IAF got their hands in 3 privately owned, unarmed units that were flown to Czechoslovakia and armed with 7.62mm MGs, makeshift bomb sights and German bomb racks. The planes bombed several targets during their travel to Israel, and during the entire Arab-Israeli War of 1948, the 3 planes flew 200 sorties and were fully decommissioned in 1958 after being used as radio transceivers during the Sinai War of 1956.
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Israeli bomber {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Winged Lions"]].
 == General info ==
 === Flight performance ===
 {{Specs-Avia-Flight}}
-<!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->
+<!-- ''Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle.'' -->As a strategic bomber, the B-17G is slow, and can't maneuver at all. 2G turns may cause the wings to rip off the fuselage. The acceleration is also lacking, alongside the climb rate, compared to similar Soviet or German bombers. Engines tend to overheat when WEP is used for too long, but they can be runed in WEP for most of the time with the right thrust control.
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 {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
-{{main|100/50 kg G.P. (100 kg)|250/50 kg G.P. (250 kg)|500/50 kg G.P. (500 kg)}}
+{{main|100/50 kg G.P. (100 kg)|250/50 kg G.P. (250 kg)|500/50 kg G.P. (500 kg)}}The best loadout of the B-17G for use against bases in ground RB and Sim is the '''12 x 250/50 kg G.P. bombs'''. Since this offers enough bombs to destroy several bases that may already be damaged without having to commit too many bombs in a single base like may happen with the '''6 x 500/50 kg G.P. bombs'''. However in ground RB this last loadout may be the best, since the bigger bombs offer less margin of error and compensate the lack of precision with more explosive range.
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
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 {{Specs-Avia-Defensive}}
 <!-- ''Defensive armament with turret machine guns or cannons, crewed by gunners. Examine the number of gunners and what belts or drums are better to use. If defensive weaponry is not available, remove this subsection.'' -->
-{{main|M2 Browning (12.7 mm)}}
+{{main|M2 Browning (12.7 mm)}}The 50. cals in the B-17G may not be as effective as the 20mm or 13mm guns used in other bombers. But these guns can also be very good. Since they have better range and most of the time better rate of fire. The best belt to use is the Universal belts, since this has the most ammount of Armor Piercing Incendiary [AP-I] shots, that are very good at causing engine failure and have enough penetration to kill pilots with some lucky shots.
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' is defended by:

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 === Modifications and economy ===
-{{Specs-Economy}}This slow and lumbering heavy bomber relies entirely on its turrets for defence. Without it, the plane is target practice. Thus "Protective vests" should be the first unlock. Further survivability upgrades will make the fight easier, but do not think it will successfully face-off against enemy fighters. So upgrading the bomb payloads should be second priority. Performance modules can be considered the least necessary.
+{{Specs-Economy}}
 == Armaments ==
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 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-When facing fighters and interceptors in Realistic Battles, it is best to use Omni-purpose or Armour-piercing/Ground Target ammunition belts for the 12.7 mm M2 Browning machine guns. These ammunition belts are effective at tearing through the engine block and hopefully resulting in an internal engine fire. You may be also able to score a pilot kill on your opponent.
+When facing fighters and interceptors in Realistic Battles, it is best to use Omni-purpose or Armour-piercing/Ground Target ammunition belts for the 12.7 mm M2 Browning machine guns. These ammunition belts are effective at tearing through the engine block and hopefully resulting in an internal engine fire. You may be also able to knock out a pilot.
 The weakest area of approach with the B-17G is the front. Only 1-2 MGs can be focused directly forward if a fighter head-ons you. The crew is also focused at the nose. If there is a fighter at your level, try to turn and expose the tail "barb". Diving may work as well. However, diving can put you into more danger as more fighters may swarm you.
-==== Counter-tactics ====
+'''Counter-tactics'''
 When climbing to fight the B-17, you will most likely have a lower energy level depending on the plane you use. The F8F-1B, for example, has extremely good acceleration with WEP and can climb ridiculously quickly as well. If in a plane such as an F8F-1B, attempt to head on the B-17 as this is the weakest point. If the B-17 turns away, climb and chase the Flying Fortress at a higher altitude and then dive on it from an angle. Always avoid tailing a B-17, regardless of model. This just warrants a knocked-out pilot or fire.

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 {{Specs-Avia-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Examine the survivability of the aircraft. Note how vulnerable the structure is and how secure the pilot is, whether the fuel tanks are armoured, etc. Describe the armour, if there is any, and also mention the vulnerability of other critical aircraft systems.'' -->
 * 6.35 mm Steel - Lower nose armour plate
 * 6.35 mm Steel - Back of pilot and co-pilot's seats
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 === Modifications and economy ===
-{{Specs-Economy}}
+{{Specs-Economy}}This slow and lumbering heavy bomber relies entirely on its turrets for defence. Without it, the plane is target practice. Thus "Protective vests" should be the first unlock. Further survivability upgrades will make the fight easier, but do not think it will successfully face-off against enemy fighters. So upgrading the bomb payloads should be second priority. Performance modules can be considered the least necessary.
 == Armaments ==

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 === Pros and cons ===
 <!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in the bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->
 '''Pros:'''
-strong gun placement
+* Strong .50 cal gun placement to shoot down incoming fighters.
+* Can be equipped with more than enough bombs to take out a base even in full uptiers
 '''Cons:'''
+* Wings can rip easily in manoeuvres
-weak wings (they will rip in most maneuvers more that 4gs)
+* Large size means a juicy target from higher-calibre shells
+* Slower speed compared to equivalent German bombers
-weak to long ranged attacks from higher caliber/velocity rounds due to its size
+* Rear gunner susceptible to getting knocked out by incoming fire.
 == History ==

B-17G (Israel) - Revision history

U31139476: /* Pros and cons */

U151654409: /* Pros and cons */

U38088265: Edits

U120313908: /* Description */ Description uptated to new standards. /* Flight Performance */ Information about the air performance added. /* Armaments */ New loadout and deffensive armament description added

U44629479: Edits

U113651907 at 11:09, 11 July 2023

U113651907 at 11:08, 11 July 2023

U113651907 at 11:08, 11 July 2023

U44629479: Edits

U28580205: /* Pros and cons */ Edited, merged similar text and removed redundancy points

U120313908: /* Description / Description uptated to new standards. / Flight Performance / Information about the air performance added. / Armaments */ New loadout and deffensive armament description added