B-17G-60-VE - Revision history

U22067555 at 00:37, 25 November 2024

2024-11-25T00:37:11Z

U22067555: Updated payload

2024-11-25T00:31:21Z

Updated payload

U44982996: added a mention of 4,000 lb bombs

2024-11-20T01:06:32Z

added a mention of 4,000 lb bombs

U44629479: Undo revision 192784 by U394384 (talk)

2024-09-19T02:46:09Z

Undo revision 192784 by U394384 (talk)

U394384: Spelling Corrections

2024-09-18T21:45:47Z

Spelling Corrections

U38088265: /* Description */

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‎Description

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‎Description

U140753025 at 22:43, 15 March 2024

2024-03-15T22:43:43Z

U140753025: /* Pros and cons */

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U44982996: description and some summary

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 {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
-{{main|AN-M64A1 (500 lb)|H.E. M32 (600 lb)|A.P. AN-MK 33 (1,000 lb)|AN-M65A1 (1,000 lb)|AN-Mk 1 (1,600 lb)|AN-M66A2 (2,000 lb)|AN-M56 (4,000 lb)}}
+{{main|AN-M64A1 (500 lb)|H.E. M32 (600 lb)|AN-M65A1 (1,000 lb)|AN-M66A2 (2,000 lb)|AN-M56 (4,000 lb)}}
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:

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 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
-{{main|AN-M64A1 (500 lb)|A.P. AN-MK 33 (1,000 lb)|AN-M65A1 (1,000 lb)|AN-Mk 1 (1,600 lb)|AN-M66A2 (2,000 lb)}}
+{{main|AN-M64A1 (500 lb)|H.E. M32 (600 lb)|A.P. AN-MK 33 (1,000 lb)|AN-M65A1 (1,000 lb)|AN-Mk 1 (1,600 lb)|AN-M66A2 (2,000 lb)|AN-M56 (4,000 lb)}}
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
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 * 8 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs (4,000 lb total)
 * 12 x 500 lb AN-M64A1 bombs (6,000 lb total)
-* 2 x 1,600 lb AN-Mk 1 bombs (3,200 lb total)
+* 10 x 600 lb H.E. M32 bombs (6,000 lb total)
 * 4 x 1,000 lb A.P. AN-MK 33 bombs (4,000 lb total)
 * 6 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 bombs (6,000 lb total)

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 The '''Boeing B-17G''' was the main serial production variant of the famous "Flying Fortress" first produced in 1943. Using lessons learned from operating the previous [[B-17E]]/F models, several changes were made on the G model, with some carried from the troublesome F model. This included a pressurised cabin, the addition of a chin remote-controlled turret and improved cheek turret mount to counter frontal engagements, moving the right waist gunner position towards to front to increase the overall coverage, improved superchargers for high-altitude operation, and receiving the "Cheyenne" tail turret which increased protection and the field of fire for the tail gunner. Around 8,680 B-17Gs were built, with several airframes being converted as a testbed for various projects.
-In the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.27, the '''B-17G Flying Fortress''', as the name suggests, is intended to be used as a high-altitude level bomber, designed to target enemy airfields and military bases. Compared to the early [[B-17E]] models, the B-17G is noticeably faster thanks to improved superchargers, allowing it to climb better and further at higher altitudes. The B-17G's defensive capabilities is also improved, with an addition of chin turret and revised gunner positions that effectively eliminating every blind spots around the plane. In addition, the B-17G also has access to extra wing hardpoints that allow it to carry an extra pair of 1,000 lb and 2,000 lb bombs. All of this allows the B-17G to perform the same job that the B-17E excels at even better than before; destroying ground targets while evading most enemy using altitude advantage, and giving a tough fight to anyone who manages to reach it. However, the B-17G still retains the critical weakness of the "Flying Fortress" family, namely its relatively weak tail, excessive wing loading that restrict its manoeuvrability, and its tendency to catch fire.
+In the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.27, the '''B-17G Flying Fortress''', as the name suggests, is intended to be used as a high-altitude level bomber, designed to target enemy airfields and military bases. Compared to the early [[B-17E]] models, the B-17G is noticeably faster thanks to improved superchargers, allowing it to climb better and further at higher altitudes. The B-17G's defensive capabilities is also improved, with an addition of chin turret and revised gunner positions that effectively eliminating every blind spots around the plane. In addition, the B-17G also has access to extra wing hardpoints that allow it to carry an extra pair of 1,000 lb and 2,000 lb bombs or even a pair of massive 4,000 lb bombs. All of this allows the B-17G to perform the same job that the B-17E excels at even better than before; destroying ground targets while evading most enemy using altitude advantage, and giving a tough fight to anyone who manages to reach it. However, the B-17G still retains the critical weakness of the "Flying Fortress" family, namely its relatively weak tail, excessive wing loading that restrict its manoeuvrability, and its tendency to catch fire.
 == General info ==
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 * 8 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 bombs (8,000 lb total)
 * 4 x 2,000 lb AN-M66A2 bombs (8,000 lb total)
-While the most efficient payload weight-to-explosive wise is the 12 x 500 lb bombs, the B-17G has an option to equip an extra pair of 1,000 lb and 2,000 lb bombs on an external hardpoint below the wing root, thus increasing its capability against a group of ground targets or naval targets.
+While the most efficient payload weight-to-explosive wise is the 12 x 500 lb bombs, the B-17G has an option to equip an extra pair of 1,000 lb, 2,000 lb, or even replacing the payload with two massive 4,000 lb bombs on an external hardpoint below the wing root, thus increasing its capability against a group of ground targets or naval targets.
 The B-17G also has an option to use an AP bombs, though due to the poor manoeability of the plane, it would be nearly impossible to hit any ground or naval target using these bombs, so it is advised to use the high explosive bombs instead.
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 '''Pros:'''
-* Large bomb payload
+* Large bomb payload options, including two massive 4,000 bombs
 * Powerful air defence capabilities, with effectively no blindspots
 * Accurate Browning MGs with large ammo pool, capable of engaging the enemy from up to 1.75 km away and also help leading the target easier

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 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''Boeing B-17G''' was the main serial production variant of the famous "Flying Fortress" first produced in 1943. Using lessons learned from operating the previous [[B-17E]]/F models, several changes were made on the G model, with some carried from the troublesome F model. This included a pressurized cabin, the addition of a chin remote-controlled turret and improved cheek turret mount to counter frontal engagements, moving the right waist gunner position towards to front to increase the overall coverage, improved superchargers for high-altitude operation, and receiving the "Cheyenne" tail turret which increased protection and the field of fire for the tail gunner. Around 8,680 B-17Gs were built, with several air-frames being converted as a test-bed for various projects.
+The '''Boeing B-17G''' was the main serial production variant of the famous "Flying Fortress" first produced in 1943. Using lessons learned from operating the previous [[B-17E]]/F models, several changes were made on the G model, with some carried from the troublesome F model. This included a pressurised cabin, the addition of a chin remote-controlled turret and improved cheek turret mount to counter frontal engagements, moving the right waist gunner position towards to front to increase the overall coverage, improved superchargers for high-altitude operation, and receiving the "Cheyenne" tail turret which increased protection and the field of fire for the tail gunner. Around 8,680 B-17Gs were built, with several airframes being converted as a testbed for various projects.
-In the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.27, the '''B-17G Flying Fortress''', as the name suggests, is intended to be used as a high-altitude level bomber, designed to target enemy airfields and military bases. Compared to the early [[B-17E]] models, the B-17G is noticeably faster thanks to improved superchargers, allowing it to climb better and further at higher altitudes. The B-17G's defensive capabilities is also improved, with an addition of chin turret and revised gunner positions that effectively eliminating every blind spots around the plane. In addition, the B-17G also has access to extra wing hard-points that allow it to carry an extra pair of 1,000 lb and 2,000 lb bombs. All of this allows the B-17G to perform the same job that the B-17E excels at even better than before; destroying ground targets while evading most enemy using altitude advantage, and giving a tough fight to anyone who manages to reach it. However, the B-17G still retains the critical weakness of the "Flying Fortress" family, namely its relatively weak tail, excessive wing loading that restrict its maneuverability, and its tendency to catch fire.
+In the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.27, the '''B-17G Flying Fortress''', as the name suggests, is intended to be used as a high-altitude level bomber, designed to target enemy airfields and military bases. Compared to the early [[B-17E]] models, the B-17G is noticeably faster thanks to improved superchargers, allowing it to climb better and further at higher altitudes. The B-17G's defensive capabilities is also improved, with an addition of chin turret and revised gunner positions that effectively eliminating every blind spots around the plane. In addition, the B-17G also has access to extra wing hardpoints that allow it to carry an extra pair of 1,000 lb and 2,000 lb bombs. All of this allows the B-17G to perform the same job that the B-17E excels at even better than before; destroying ground targets while evading most enemy using altitude advantage, and giving a tough fight to anyone who manages to reach it. However, the B-17G still retains the critical weakness of the "Flying Fortress" family, namely its relatively weak tail, excessive wing loading that restrict its manoeuvrability, and its tendency to catch fire.
 == General info ==

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 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''Boeing B-17G''' was the main serial production variant of the famous "Flying Fortress" first produced in 1943. Using lessons learned from operating the previous [[B-17E]]/F models, several changes were made on the G model, with some carried from the troublesome F model. This included a pressurised cabin, the addition of a chin remote-controlled turret and improved cheek turret mount to counter frontal engagements, moving the right waist gunner position towards to front to increase the overall coverage, improved superchargers for high-altitude operation, and receiving the "Cheyenne" tail turret which increased protection and the field of fire for the tail gunner. Around 8,680 B-17Gs were built, with several airframes being converted as a testbed for various projects.
+The '''Boeing B-17G''' was the main serial production variant of the famous "Flying Fortress" first produced in 1943. Using lessons learned from operating the previous [[B-17E]]/F models, several changes were made on the G model, with some carried from the troublesome F model. This included a pressurized cabin, the addition of a chin remote-controlled turret and improved cheek turret mount to counter frontal engagements, moving the right waist gunner position towards to front to increase the overall coverage, improved superchargers for high-altitude operation, and receiving the "Cheyenne" tail turret which increased protection and the field of fire for the tail gunner. Around 8,680 B-17Gs were built, with several air-frames being converted as a test-bed for various projects.
-In the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.27, the '''B-17G Flying Fortress''', as the name suggests, is intended to be used as a high-altitude level bomber, designed to target enemy airfields and military bases. Compared to the early [[B-17E]] models, the B-17G is noticeably faster thanks to improved superchargers, allowing it to climb better and further at higher altitudes. The B-17G's defensive capabilities is also improved, with an addition of chin turret and revised gunner positions that effectively eliminating every blind spots around the plane. In addition, the B-17G also has access to extra wing hardpoints that allow it to carry an extra pair of 1,000 lb and 2,000 lb bombs. All of this allows the B-17G to perform the same job that the B-17E excels at even better than before; destroying ground targets while evading most enemy using altitude advantage, and giving a tough fight to anyone who manages to reach it. However, the B-17G still retains the critical weakness of the "Flying Fortress" family, namely its relatively weak tail, excessive wing loading that restrict its manoeuvrability, and its tendency to catch fire.
+In the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.27, the '''B-17G Flying Fortress''', as the name suggests, is intended to be used as a high-altitude level bomber, designed to target enemy airfields and military bases. Compared to the early [[B-17E]] models, the B-17G is noticeably faster thanks to improved superchargers, allowing it to climb better and further at higher altitudes. The B-17G's defensive capabilities is also improved, with an addition of chin turret and revised gunner positions that effectively eliminating every blind spots around the plane. In addition, the B-17G also has access to extra wing hard-points that allow it to carry an extra pair of 1,000 lb and 2,000 lb bombs. All of this allows the B-17G to perform the same job that the B-17E excels at even better than before; destroying ground targets while evading most enemy using altitude advantage, and giving a tough fight to anyone who manages to reach it. However, the B-17G still retains the critical weakness of the "Flying Fortress" family, namely its relatively weak tail, excessive wing loading that restrict its maneuverability, and its tendency to catch fire.
 == General info ==

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 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''Boeing B-17G''' is the main serial production variant of the famous "Flying Fortress" first produced in 1943. Using lessons learned from operating the previous [[B-17E]]/F models, several changes were made on the G model, with some carried from the troublesome F model. This include a pressurised cabin, the addition of a chin remote-controlled turret and improved cheek turret mount to counter frontal engagements, moving the right waist gunner position towards to front to increase the overall coverage, improved superchargers for high-altitude operation, and receiving the "Cheyenne" tail turret which increased protection and the field of fire for the tail gunner. Around 8,680 B-17Gs were built, with several airframes being converted as a testbed for various projects.
+The '''Boeing B-17G''' was the main serial production variant of the famous "Flying Fortress" first produced in 1943. Using lessons learned from operating the previous [[B-17E]]/F models, several changes were made on the G model, with some carried from the troublesome F model. This included a pressurised cabin, the addition of a chin remote-controlled turret and improved cheek turret mount to counter frontal engagements, moving the right waist gunner position towards to front to increase the overall coverage, improved superchargers for high-altitude operation, and receiving the "Cheyenne" tail turret which increased protection and the field of fire for the tail gunner. Around 8,680 B-17Gs were built, with several airframes being converted as a testbed for various projects.
-Being in the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.27. The '''B-17G Flying Fortress''', as the name suggests, is intended to be used as a high-altitude level bomber, designed to target enemy airfields and military bases. Compared to the early [[B-17E]] models, the B-17G is noticeably faster thanks to improved superchargers, allowing it to climb better and further at higher altitudes. The B-17G's defensive capabilities is also improved, with an addition of chin turret and revised gunner positions that effectively eliminating every blind spots around the plane. In addition, the B-17G also has an access to extra wing hardpoints that allowed it to carry an extra pair of 1,000 lb and 2,000 lb bombs. All of this allowed the B-17G to perform the same job that the B-17E excels at even better than before; destroying ground targets while evading most enemy using altitude advantage, and giving a tough fight to anyone who manages to reach it. However, the B-17G still retains the critical weakness of the "Flying Fortress" family, namely its relatively weak tail, excessive wing loading that restrict its manoeverability, and its tendency to catch fire.
+In the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.27, the '''B-17G Flying Fortress''', as the name suggests, is intended to be used as a high-altitude level bomber, designed to target enemy airfields and military bases. Compared to the early [[B-17E]] models, the B-17G is noticeably faster thanks to improved superchargers, allowing it to climb better and further at higher altitudes. The B-17G's defensive capabilities is also improved, with an addition of chin turret and revised gunner positions that effectively eliminating every blind spots around the plane. In addition, the B-17G also has an access to extra wing hardpoints that allow it to carry an extra pair of 1,000 lb and 2,000 lb bombs. All of this allows the B-17G to perform the same job that the B-17E excels at even better than before; destroying ground targets while evading most enemy using altitude advantage, and giving a tough fight to anyone who manages to reach it. However, the B-17G still retains the critical weakness of the "Flying Fortress" family, namely its relatively weak tail, excessive wing loading that restrict its manoeuvrability, and its tendency to catch fire.
 == General info ==
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 * 4 x 2,000 lb AN-M66A2 bombs (8,000 lb total)
 While the most efficient payload weight-to-explosive wise is the 12 x 500 lb bombs, the B-17G has an option to equip an extra pair of 1,000 lb and 2,000 lb bombs on an external hardpoint below the wing root, thus increasing its capability against a group of ground targets or naval targets.
 The B-17G also has an option to use an AP bombs, though due to the poor manoeability of the plane, it would be nearly impossible to hit any ground or naval target using these bombs, so it is advised to use the high explosive bombs instead.
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 * 2 x 12.7 mm M2 Browning machine guns, tail turret (575 rpg = 1,150 total)
 The B-17G has 13 x .50 Browning machine guns as its defensive armaments, all guns has a large amount of ammo available, and thus allowed you to spray it at any incoming enemy as you please, so long as you didn't hold the fire for several seconds and jam it. The Browning MG is also quite accurate, with a kill being achievable even from 1.75 km away. This means you can effectively deter the enemy from chasing you by firing at them at long ranges, potentially damage their engine and force them to retreat or even get a kill.
 Compared to the B-17E, the B-17G has improved defensive gun arrangements, most notably the addition of a chin turret and an upgraded tail turret. With revised waist position, the B-17G can get more guns onto its tail and offers more coverage from sides and below, thus covered all the blindspots of the B-17E varaint. While the improved cheek gun mounts and chin turret offers more defense from frontal engagements, facing the enemy head-ons are still ill-advised as the cockpit lacks any armoured glass to protect the pilots and gunners. Thus, like the previous B-17E, you should face your tail at the enemy at all times to maximize your damage output.
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 * Decent climb rate for a bomber at higher altitudes
 * Very durable airframe and overall heavily armoured, capable of stay airborne provided that the tail were not destroyed
 * Nose gunner is very helpful in RB against bomber hunters
 '''Cons:'''
 * Fairly slow compared to other aircraft at its rank
 * Big target, its huge wings and tail are vulnerable against 20 mm cannons
 * Nose is extremely vulnerable for the pilot and crew
 * Prone to fire damage

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of and the creation and combat usage of the aircraft, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the aircraft in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-This particular version of the B-17, designated the B-17G, is the main serial production variant of the famous "Flying Fortress". Changes of the G model include a pressurised cabin, the addition of two ventral turrets at the nose and middle section, improved engines, and increased protection for the tail gunner.
+The '''Boeing B-17G''' is the main serial production variant of the famous "Flying Fortress" first produced in 1943. Using lessons learned from operating the previous [[B-17E]]/F models, several changes were made on the G model, with some carried from the troublesome F model. This include a pressurised cabin, the addition of a chin remote-controlled turret and improved cheek turret mount to counter frontal engagements, moving the right waist gunner position towards to front to increase the overall coverage, improved superchargers for high-altitude operation, and receiving the "Cheyenne" tail turret which increased protection and the field of fire for the tail gunner. Around 8,680 B-17Gs were built, with several airframes being converted as a testbed for various projects.
-The B-17G Flying Fortress, as the name suggests, is intended to be used as a high-altitude level bomber, designed to target enemy airfields and military bases. Despite its large bomb-load, it is not recommended to target moving ground targets such as tank formations. This due to the inaccuracy of bombs being released at high altitude. When using the B-17G, it is always best to group up with others in a wedge-like formation for optimal defence. The higher you climb the harder of a target you will become. A few fighter escorts, such as a squadron of [[P-51D-5|P-51 Mustangs]] would ensure the survival of friendly bombers. Survival is of the utmost importance to be remembered when using this plane. While you may miss one target, you can always make another pass once you reload and repair.
+Being in the game since the start of the Open Beta Test prior to Update 1.27. The '''B-17G Flying Fortress''', as the name suggests, is intended to be used as a high-altitude level bomber, designed to target enemy airfields and military bases. Compared to the early [[B-17E]] models, the B-17G is noticeably faster thanks to improved superchargers, allowing it to climb better and further at higher altitudes. The B-17G's defensive capabilities is also improved, with an addition of chin turret and revised gunner positions that effectively eliminating every blind spots around the plane. In addition, the B-17G also has an access to extra wing hardpoints that allowed it to carry an extra pair of 1,000 lb and 2,000 lb bombs. All of this allowed the B-17G to perform the same job that the B-17E excels at even better than before; destroying ground targets while evading most enemy using altitude advantage, and giving a tough fight to anyone who manages to reach it. However, the B-17G still retains the critical weakness of the "Flying Fortress" family, namely its relatively weak tail, excessive wing loading that restrict its manoeverability, and its tendency to catch fire.
 == General info ==
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 As with earlier B-17 models, the B-17G's flight performance is nothing to write home about. The plane is quite slow to move around at higher speeds and suffers from excessive wing loading that prevents it from doing most aerobatic manoeuvres outside of Arcade mode. While the B-17G's top speed is decent for a heavy bomber, it is still quite slow compared to other fighters at its BR, which means the B-17G will not outrun any fighters or interceptors unless it has an altitude advantage.
-Speaking about altitude, the B-17G gets a long range bomber spawn. When combined with the plane's improved higher altitude performance, the B-17G can climb up to a safer altitude from most fighters except some dedicated interceptors, thus allowing the B-17G to reach its target and safely drop its payload as long as the plane is not spotted.
+Speaking about altitude, the B-17G gets a long range bomber spawn. When combined with the plane's improved higher altitude performance, the B-17G can climb up to a safer altitude from most fighters except some dedicated interceptors, thus allowing the B-17G to reach its target and safely drop its payload as long as the plane is not spotted or is far enough from most enemies.
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 * 38 mm Bulletproof glass - Ball turret
 * 38 mm Bulletproof glass - Tail gunner rear window
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 * 8 x 1,000 lb AN-M65A1 bombs (8,000 lb total)
 * 4 x 2,000 lb AN-M66A2 bombs (8,000 lb total)
 === Defensive armament ===
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 * 1 x 12.7 mm M2 Browning machine gun, 2 x beam turrets (600 rpg)
 * 2 x 12.7 mm M2 Browning machine guns, tail turret (575 rpg = 1,150 total)
 == Usage in battles ==
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 * Large bomb payload
 * Powerful air defence capabilities, with effectively no blindspots
-* Accurate Browning MGs with large ammo pool, capable of engaging the enemy from up to 1.5 km away and also help leading the target easier
+* Accurate Browning MGs with large ammo pool, capable of engaging the enemy from up to 1.75 km away and also help leading the target easier
 * Multiple powerful engines increase the plane's endurance and acceleration
 * Decent climb rate for a bomber at higher altitudes