Avenger - Revision history

U38088265: /* Description */ Updated to new standard

2023-07-30T11:07:51Z

‎Description: Updated to new standard

U90283563: The ingame model is a post-war variant based on the coment and NOT the cromwell, I fixed it.

2023-07-26T17:59:23Z

The ingame model is a post-war variant based on the coment and NOT the cromwell, I fixed it.

U90283563: /* Description */

2023-07-26T17:53:15Z

‎Description

U38088265: /* Ammunition */ Converted to transclusion

2023-01-21T22:32:10Z

‎Ammunition: Converted to transclusion

U44629479: /* Ammo racks */ Updated section

2023-01-15T23:34:12Z

‎Ammo racks: Updated section

U44629479: /* Media */ Removed dead video

2023-01-11T17:50:38Z

‎Media: Removed dead video

U42773747: It seems HE can't simply kill it, and hitting the parts that hold the roof together from the inside is obscenely difficult, so i think its safe to say it's not overpressurable by small guns

2022-07-21T12:05:46Z

It seems HE can't simply kill it, and hitting the parts that hold the roof together from the inside is obscenely difficult, so i think its safe to say it's not overpressurable by small guns

U38088265: /* Pros and cons */

2022-05-10T09:00:32Z

‎Pros and cons

U75945355: /* Pros and cons */

2022-05-10T01:05:35Z

‎Pros and cons

U44629479: Edits

2022-03-17T09:22:29Z

Edits

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.55 "Royal Armour"]] along with the initial British Ground Forces tree. It is armed with the 17-pounder, with no secondary armament. The in-game model is a post-war variant based on a lengthened [[Comet (Family)|Comet]] hull rather than a [[Cromwell (Family)|Cromwell]] hull, as can be seen by the presence of return rollers above the tracks.
+The '''A30 SP Avenger''' was a further development of the A30 [[Challenger]], intended to resolve some of the design issues including the tall turret and limited mobility. No longer having the need for a fourth crewmember in the turret, the turret was able to be significantly shortened, and was also mounted on a lower superstructure. The turret was made open-top, but could be screened with armoured covers when necessary, providing the commander and loader with a full range of visibility. Additionally, return rollers were added to alleviate the track-throwing tendencies of the Challenger. However, by the time a prototype was completed, development of the vehicle had been deprioritised with the introduction of the [[Achilles|17-pdr-equipped M10]] in favour of the [[Comet I]], and it suffered in trials against the [[Archer]] and [[Alecto I|Alecto]]. The Avenger project was eventually dropped in 1950.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.55 "Royal Armour"]] along with the initial British Ground Forces tree. It is armed with the 17-pounder, with no secondary armament. The in-game model is a post-war variant based on a lengthened Comet hull rather than a Cromwell hull, as can be seen by the presence of return rollers above the tracks.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.55 "Royal Armour"]] along with the initial British Ground Forces tree. It is armed with the 17-pounder, with no secondary armament. The in-game model is a post-war variant based on a lengthened [[Comet (Family)|Comet]] hull rather than a [[Cromwell (Family)|Cromwell]] hull, as can be seen by the presence of return rollers above the tracks.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.55 "Royal Armour"]] along with the initial British Ground Forces tree. It is armed with the 17-pounder, with no secondary armament. It was based on a lengthened Cromwell hull from the [[Challenger|A30 Challenger]] from World War II.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} British medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.55 "Royal Armour"]] along with the initial British Ground Forces tree. It is armed with the 17-pounder, with no secondary armament. The in-game model is a post-war variant based on a lengthened Comet hull rather than a Cromwell hull, as can be seen by the presence of return rollers above the tracks.
 == General info ==
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=uk_a30_sp_avenger Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:QF 17-pounder (76 mm)/Ammunition|Shot Mk.6, Shell Mk.1, Shot Mk.4, Shot Mk.8, 17pdr Shell SS Mk.1}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
 [[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
-<!-- '''Last updated:''' -->
+<!-- '''Last updated: 2.23.0.51''' -->
 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 |-
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 ! Visual<br>discrepancy
 |-
-| '''55''' || 49&nbsp;''(+6)'' || 42&nbsp;''(+13)'' || 35&nbsp;''(+20)'' || 28&nbsp;''(+27)'' || 21&nbsp;''(+34)'' || 14&nbsp;''(+41)'' || 7&nbsp;''(+48)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+54)'' || Yes
+| '''55''' || 48&nbsp;''(+7)'' || 37&nbsp;''(+18)'' || 31&nbsp;''(+24)'' || 25&nbsp;''(+30)'' || 19&nbsp;''(+36)'' || 13&nbsp;''(+42)'' || 7&nbsp;''(+48)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+54)'' || Yes
 |-
 |}
 '''Note''':
-* Turret empty: 49&nbsp;''(+6)'' shells.
+* Racks disappear after you've fired all shells in the rack.
 ==== Optics ====

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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=uk_a30_sp_avenger Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Videos
-{{Youtube-gallery|5HPSDbSWmMg|'''A30 {{PAGENAME}} (Ground Forces Gameplay)''' - ''MagzTV''|E4ZqlxIRGt8|'''{{PAGENAME}} Tank Review''' - ''NUSensei''}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|5HPSDbSWmMg|'''A30 Avenger (Ground Forces Gameplay)''' - ''MagzTV''}}
 == See also ==

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 Even if shells penetrate (usually through the angled sides of the turret), usually only 2 crew members get knocked out.
-The only strange weak spot the Avenger has is the windows on top of turret. While roof windows seem to be a flaw, as it creates potential for HE shells to simply fly inside of the Avenger and decimate entire crew, in reality nobody uses those types of rounds at this BR. Even strafing planes have hard time hitting anything through those windows, and rather penetrate the roof directly, which is still a challenge.
+The only strange weak spot the Avenger has is the windows on top of turret. While roof windows seem to be a flaw, as it creates potential for HE shells to simply fly inside of the Avenger and decimate entire crew, in reality nobody uses those types of rounds at this BR. Even if decently strong HE hits the hull, the tank won't take overpressure damage despite windows having nonexistant protection or even being destroyed. Even strafing planes have hard time hitting anything through those windows, and rather penetrate the roof directly, which is still a challenge.
 Because of that, the windows instead give enemy APHE shells a high chance to bounce around and fly out of window without exploding inside of vehicle. In fact, this happens so often, a single Avenger can survive up to six direct shots while losing only gunner or loader, while vehicles like the [[Sherman Firefly]] would be destroyed in one hit by those.
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 * Very fast rate-of-fire
 * Great gunsight zoom allows for long-range sniping
 '''Cons:'''

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 * Cromwell-esque controls with good acceleration and speed
-* Neutral steering allows for quick alignment of hull
+* Neutral steering allows for quick alignment of the hull
 * 17-pounder "Quickfire" cannon has high penetration and good accuracy
 * Good gun depression of -10° allows it to fight comfortably among hills
 * Very fast rate-of-fire
-* Great gunsight zoom allows long range sniping
+* Great gunsight zoom allows for long-range sniping
 '''Cons:'''
-* No machine gun, awkward against exposed crew (eg. [[Sd.Kfz. 6/2]])
+* No machine gun
-* 17-pounder AP aren't explosive, hard to one-shot larger tanks like [[Panzer V Panther (Family)|Panther]]
+* AP shells don't have explosive filler, hard to one-shot larger tanks like [[Panzer V Panther (Family)|Panthers]]
 * Overall poor survivability due to thin & unsloped armour
 * Turning can be sluggish at times
 * Terrible reverse speed
-* Gun traverse speed is only subpar
+* Gun traverse speed is subpar
 == History ==

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		+	{{About
		+	\| about = British medium tank '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
		+	\| usage = the dive bomber
		+	\| link = Avenger Mk II (Great Britain)
		+	}}
	{{Specs-Card		{{Specs-Card
	\|code=uk_a30_sp_avenger		\|code=uk_a30_sp_avenger