AMX-50 (TOA100) - Revision history

U137275702: Incorrect information about lower penetration than Soviet rounds

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Incorrect information about lower penetration than Soviet rounds

U103691029: /* Main armament */ Autoloader

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‎Main armament: Autoloader

U38088265: /* Description */

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‎Description

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U38088265: /* Pros and cons */

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‎Pros and cons

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‎Pros and cons

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 * Limited shell choices, lacking APHE, HEAT, APDS, or APFSDS rounds
 * Shells lack explosive filler, resulting in rare one-hit knockouts from the side
 * Gun elevation speed is slow due to oscillating turret design
 * Incapacitated loader hampers the tank's ability to utilize its coaxial MG

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-! colspan="5" | [[SA47 L/58 (100 mm)|100 mm SA47 L/58]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
+! colspan="5" | [[SA47 L/58 (100 mm)|100 mm SA47 L/58]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || Reloading rate (seconds)
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 ! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
 ! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
-! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
+!Autoloader
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-| rowspan="2" | 50 || rowspan="2" | -8°/+15° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 28.6 || 39.5 || 48.0 || 53.1 || 56.5 || rowspan="2" | 4.00 || rowspan="2" | 4.00 || rowspan="2" | 4.00 || rowspan="2" | 4.00
+| rowspan="2" | 50 || rowspan="2" | -8°/+15° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 28.6 || 39.5 || 48.0 || 53.1 || 56.5 || rowspan="2" | 4.00
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 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_amx_50 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

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 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The AMX 50 project started life as a 30-ton weight class project requirement as NOM 141 (Project 141) in 1945, as the prospective next generation domestic French tank after the [[ARL-44]]. The familiar oscillating turret on all AMX 50s were introduced in 1949, equipped with a 90 mm gun, which we are all familiar with as the [[AMX M4]] - however, at this stage, the French Army was no longer content with the 90 mm gun, and the AMX M4 was canceled to make way for a new turret that housed a 100 mm cannon instead. Two prototypes of this new standard were produced, one which was modified from an AMX M4 and one which was built from the ground up as an AMX-50 (TOA100). Unfortunately for the AMX-50 (TOA100), the tank's protracted development meant the Army now wanted a 120 mm cannon instead of the 100 mm, and as at this point the hull was grossly underarmored and was lacking in many other technical areas as well, development of the AMX-50 shifted to what would now be known as the [[AMX-50 Surblinde]] instead.
+The AMX-50 project started life as a 30-ton weight class project requirement as NOM 141 (Project 141) in 1945, as the prospective next generation domestic French tank after the [[ARL-44]]. The familiar oscillating turret on all AMX-50s was introduced in 1949, equipped with a 90 mm gun ([[AMX M4]]) - however, at this stage, the French Army was no longer content with the 90 mm gun, and the AMX M4 was canceled to make way for a new turret that housed a 100 mm cannon instead. Two prototypes of this new standard were produced, one which was modified from an AMX M4 and one which was built from the ground up as an AMX-50 (TOA100). Unfortunately for the AMX-50 (TOA100), the tank's protracted development meant the Army now wanted a 120 mm cannon instead of the 100 mm, and as at this point the hull was grossly underarmoured and was lacking in many other technical areas as well, development of the AMX-50 shifted to what would now be known as the [[AMX-50 Surblinde]] instead.
 == General info ==
 === Survivability and armour ===

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-France after World War 2 was quite ambitious with its tank development. There was a perceived need for an indigenous tank development capability, even as the war was still raging on near Germany, and these early developments led to the [[ARL-44]], France's first indigenous tank after WW2. While not an amazingly capable design, the vehicle was still self-produced and served as the basis for future domestic tank developments, which the AMX-50 (TOA100) is a part of. The requirements for a new tank to supersede the ARL-44 were already under way even as the tank was rolling off production lines, and the AMX 50 project started life as a 30-ton weight class project requirement as NOM 141 (Project 141) in 1945. The familiar oscillating turret on all AMX 50s were introduced in 1949 equipped with a 90 mm gun, which we are all familiar with as the [[AMX M4]]. However, at this stage, the French Army was no longer content with the 90 mm gun, and the AMX M4 was canceled to make way for a new turret that housed a 100 mm cannon instead, which became the AMX-50 (TOA100) we know today. Two prototypes were produced, one which was modified from an AMX M4 and one which was built from the ground up as an AMX-50 (TOA100). Outside of minor differences in the turret's shape, the prototype based on the AMX M4 did not have return rollers, but the new AMX-50 did come equipped with them. Unfortunately for the AMX-50 (TOA100), the tank's protracted development meant the Army now wanted a 120 mm cannon instead of the 100 mm, and as at this point the hull was grossly underarmored and was lacking in many other technical areas as well, development of the AMX-50 shifted to what would now be known as the [[AMX-50 Surblinde]] instead.
+The AMX 50 project started life as a 30-ton weight class project requirement as NOM 141 (Project 141) in 1945, as the prospective next generation domestic French tank after the [[ARL-44]]. The familiar oscillating turret on all AMX 50s were introduced in 1949, equipped with a 90 mm gun, which we are all familiar with as the [[AMX M4]] - however, at this stage, the French Army was no longer content with the 90 mm gun, and the AMX M4 was canceled to make way for a new turret that housed a 100 mm cannon instead. Two prototypes of this new standard were produced, one which was modified from an AMX M4 and one which was built from the ground up as an AMX-50 (TOA100). Unfortunately for the AMX-50 (TOA100), the tank's protracted development meant the Army now wanted a 120 mm cannon instead of the 100 mm, and as at this point the hull was grossly underarmored and was lacking in many other technical areas as well, development of the AMX-50 shifted to what would now be known as the [[AMX-50 Surblinde]] instead.
 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French medium tank {{Battle-rating}}, introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]]. It features the same armament and turret as the [[Lorraine 40t]] on a more robust chassis, similar to that of the [[AMX M4]]. The AMX-50 (TOA100) is functionally not too different from the [[Lorraine 40t]] in terms of gameplay - it's a mobile hull with a fast-reloading gun, which doesn't fire APHE but still spalls adequately due to the French AP shell cap. The vehicle, as it is an oscillating turret design with a drum-feed autoloader, cannot fire when it runs out of ammo in the ready rack, and also cannot elevate too high due to how the turret is placed on its oscillating hinge. Armorwise the vehicle isn't particularly well protected, with thin armor all around, but you may be able to survive some lower caliber shots or autocannon fire if you're lucky. Play around the flanks, preferably around slight hills or ridges you can peek around sideways, and you can penetrate most enemies without issue. If you see an enemy you can't penetrate frontally or aren't confident, you can always shoot the barrel then use the extra time to shoot a very specific weakspot. A good example would be seeing something like an [[IS-3]] or [[IS-6]], while you could simply shoot the weakspots such as the front armour weld on the IS-3 or the mantlet/unangled upper plate of the IS-6, you could shoot their barrels out then take a careful shot if you're not feeling it then.

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 == Description ==
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-The lower part resembles that of a [[Panther D|Panther]]'s hull with its overlapping metal road wheels, its two large fans over the engine deck, its sloped front and back armour and its high profile. There are a few things that distinguishes it from its predecessor: there is not longer a "flat" portion between the LFP and UFP and the two fan casings have been removed. As for the turret, it is quite a classical post-war French design: an oscillating turret fitted with an autoloader mechanism, a long gun and turret bulge and a thick turret ring.
+France after World War 2 was quite ambitious with its tank development. There was a perceived need for an indigenous tank development capability, even as the war was still raging on near Germany, and these early developments led to the [[ARL-44]], France's first indigenous tank after WW2. While not an amazingly capable design, the vehicle was still self-produced and served as the basis for future domestic tank developments, which the AMX-50 (TOA100) is a part of. The requirements for a new tank to supersede the ARL-44 were already under way even as the tank was rolling off production lines, and the AMX 50 project started life as a 30-ton weight class project requirement as NOM 141 (Project 141) in 1945. The familiar oscillating turret on all AMX 50s were introduced in 1949 equipped with a 90 mm gun, which we are all familiar with as the [[AMX M4]]. However, at this stage, the French Army was no longer content with the 90 mm gun, and the AMX M4 was canceled to make way for a new turret that housed a 100 mm cannon instead, which became the AMX-50 (TOA100) we know today. Two prototypes were produced, one which was modified from an AMX M4 and one which was built from the ground up as an AMX-50 (TOA100). Outside of minor differences in the turret's shape, the prototype based on the AMX M4 did not have return rollers, but the new AMX-50 did come equipped with them. Unfortunately for the AMX-50 (TOA100), the tank's protracted development meant the Army now wanted a 120 mm cannon instead of the 100 mm, and as at this point the hull was grossly underarmored and was lacking in many other technical areas as well, development of the AMX-50 shifted to what would now be known as the [[AMX-50 Surblinde]] instead.
 == General info ==
 === Survivability and armour ===

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 * Fast turret rotation speed, enabling swift target acquisition and engagement
 * Sloped frontal armour has the potential to ricochet lower rank guns and APCR rounds
-* Higher muzzle velocity than the Soviet[[D-10T (100 mm)|100 mm D-10T]] gun, easier to aim at range
+* Higher muzzle velocity than the Soviet [[D-10T (100 mm)|100 mm D-10T]] gun, easier to aim at range
 * Well-suited for flanking manoeuvres, offering tactical advantages

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 * Impressive top speed, allowing for rapid movement across the battlefield
-* Highly maneuverable, enabling quick and agile responses to changing situations
+* Highly manoeuvrable, enabling quick and agile responses to changing situations
 * Wide tracks provide excellent mobility on various types of terrain, maintaining good speed
 * Equipped with a crew of 5 members, enhancing operational efficiency and allowing more hits to be taken
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 * Stock APCBC shells offer exceptional conical spread, ensuring deadly frontal hits
 * Fast turret rotation speed, enabling swift target acquisition and engagement
-* Sloped frontal armor has the potential to ricochet lower rank guns and APCR rounds
+* Sloped frontal armour has the potential to ricochet lower rank guns and APCR rounds
 * Higher muzzle velocity than the Soviet[[D-10T (100 mm)|100 mm D-10T]] gun, easier to aim at range
-* Well-suited for flanking maneuvers, offering tactical advantages
+* Well-suited for flanking manoeuvres, offering tactical advantages
 '''Cons:'''
-* Armor is insufficient to protect against higher rank guns in the 4/5 range
+* Armour is insufficient to protect against higher rank guns
 * Weak lower front plate (LFP), vulnerable to enemy fire
-* Turret shares the same lightly-armored design as the [[Lorraine 40t]], posing a potential vulnerability
+* Turret shares the same lightly-armoured design as the [[Lorraine 40t]], posing a potential vulnerability
 * Large, [[Panther D|Panther]]-like hull, making it challenging to conceal and minimize exposure
 * Limited shell choices, lacking APHE, HEAT, APDS, or APFSDS rounds

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 '''Pros:'''
-* High top speed
+* Impressive top speed, allowing for rapid movement across the battlefield
-* Very manoeuvrable
+* Highly maneuverable, enabling quick and agile responses to changing situations
-* Wide tracks: able to cross all sorts of terrain with good speed
+* Wide tracks provide excellent mobility on various types of terrain, maintaining good speed
-* Has 5 crew members
+* Equipped with a crew of 5 members, enhancing operational efficiency and allowing more hits to be taken
-* High penetration 100 mm main gun with an autoloader
+* Powerful 100 mm main gun with an autoloader, delivering high penetration capabilities and relatively fast reload
-* Amazing conical spread from stock APCBC shells. They are free and frontal hits will be deadly.
+* Stock APCBC shells offer exceptional conical spread, ensuring deadly frontal hits
-* Fast turret rotation speed
+* Fast turret rotation speed, enabling swift target acquisition and engagement
-* Sloped frontal armour can bounce some lower rank guns and APCR
+* Sloped frontal armor has the potential to ricochet lower rank guns and APCR rounds
 * Higher muzzle velocity than the Soviet[[D-10T (100 mm)|100 mm D-10T]] gun, easier to aim at range
-* Great flanker
+* Well-suited for flanking maneuvers, offering tactical advantages
 '''Cons:'''
-* Armour will not protect the tank from rank 4/5 guns
+* Armor is insufficient to protect against higher rank guns in the 4/5 range
-* Weak LFP
+* Weak lower front plate (LFP), vulnerable to enemy fire
-* Same lightly-armoured turret as the [[Lorraine 40t]]
+* Turret shares the same lightly-armored design as the [[Lorraine 40t]], posing a potential vulnerability
-* Large, [[Panther D|Panther]]-like hull, hard to hide
+* Large, [[Panther D|Panther]]-like hull, making it challenging to conceal and minimize exposure
-* One choice of shell: no APHE, no HEAT, no APDS or APFSDS
+* Limited shell choices, lacking APHE, HEAT, APDS, or APFSDS rounds
-* No explosive filler in shells, one hit KOs from the side are rare
+* Shells lack explosive filler, resulting in rare one-hit knockouts from the side
-* Less penetration than the Soviet 100 mm APCBC, with less post penetration damage
+* Lower penetration compared to the Soviet 100 mm APCBC rounds, with reduced post-penetration damage
 * Gun elevation speed is slow due to oscillating turret design
-* Incapacitated loader will prevent this tank from shooting its coaxial MG
+* Incapacitated loader hampers the tank's ability to utilize its coaxial MG
 == History ==