AMX-40 - Revision history

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U32443417: Overhaul and update of the pros and cons section. Removal of incomplete/subjectively incorrect information. The AMX-40 is my most played tank, and I wanted to offer a comprehensive summary of how it feels to play the tank based on my experience.

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Overhaul and update of the pros and cons section. Removal of incomplete/subjectively incorrect information. The AMX-40 is my most played tank, and I wanted to offer a comprehensive summary of how it feels to play the tank based on my experience.

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 === Pros and cons ===
-<!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->The AMX-40 is carried by its mobility and is average in most other aspects. It generally has the traits and playstyle of a light tank. Like many light tanks, its mobility means it does not suffer in uptiers as much as most other MBTs, although its firepower does fall off somewhat. As a whole, the AMX-40 is the heart of the France 9.7 lineup, and is the only vehicle in France 9.3/9.7 range that is appreciably above average in capability.
+<!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->
 '''Pros:'''
-* Amazing mobility. Among MBTs its Power/Weight ratio is only surpassed by the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/Leopard_2K Leopard 2K] and the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/Type_90_(Family) Type 90 family], and matched by the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/PT-16/T14_mod. PT-16/T14 mod]. This is far and away the most important trait of the AMX-40, allowing a very aggressive playstyle.
+* Decent frontal armour
-* Good firepower.
+* Composite armour allows for a more balanced survivability
-** OFL 120 G1 apfsds has 394mm rha-equivalent penetration at 10m and 0°, 214mm at 2000m and 60°.
+* Good mobility: about the same as on the AMX-30, with great forward and reverse acceleration and speed
-** Coaxial 20mm autocannon can break tracks and penetrate lightly armored vehicles.
+* The GIAT 120 mm gun is a big improvement over the AMX-30's 105 mm gun
-*** The autocannon is mounted in a separate slot in the mantlet, giving it an additional +20° of elevation (not technically coaxial), allowing it to engage helicopters in some situations.
+* Sports a 20 mm coaxial cannon for use against lightly armoured targets
 '''Cons:'''
-* Fixed 10x zoom on the gunner's sight. Too much zoom can make aiming at closer ranges very awkward and claustrophobic. 10x can also be too little to aim at weakspots beyond 2000 m, but that is a very common max zoom level around this BR.
+* Overall armour can still be penetrated by the majority of the guns at its rank
-* Mediocre armor; generaly poor protection against both kinetic and chemical threats.
+* Turret turn speed is slower than most of the top rank VI tanks, close combat can turn deadly quickly for the AMX-40
 == History ==

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 ** Any penetrating hit to the mantlet (which comprises the entire turret face) will destroy the breech.
 ** Despite having composite armor in the hull, chemical protection is only 300mm rha-equivalent , less than the 400mm+ of most HEAT rounds at its BR.
-** Larger calibre autocannons (namely the 3UBM22 apfsds used by the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/2S38 2S38]) can penetrate all of its frontal armor.
+** Larger calibre autocannons (namely the 3UBM22 apfsds used by the 2S38) can penetrate all of its frontal armor.
 ** Only 30mm of side hull armor.
 ** High-profile cupola, with the commander's head hurtbox extending well above the roof of the tank.

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 ** Any penetrating hit to the mantlet (which comprises the entire turret face) will destroy the breech.
 ** Despite having composite armor in the hull, chemical protection is only 300mm rha-equivalent , less than the 400mm+ of most HEAT rounds at its BR.
-** Larger calibre autocannons (namely the 3UBM22 apfsds used by the 2S38) can penetrate all of its frontal armor.
+** Larger calibre autocannons (namely the 3UBM22 apfsds used by the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/2S38 2S38]) can penetrate all of its frontal armor.
 ** Only 30mm of side hull armor.
 ** High-profile cupola, with the commander's head hurtbox extending well above the roof of the tank.

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 === Pros and cons ===
-<!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->
+<!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->The AMX-40 is carried by its mobility and is average in most other aspects. It generally has the traits and playstyle of a light tank. Like many light tanks, its mobility means it does not suffer in uptiers as much as most other MBTs, although its firepower does fall off somewhat. As a whole, the AMX-40 is the heart of the France 9.7 lineup, and is the only vehicle in France 9.3/9.7 range that is appreciably above average in capability.
 '''Pros:'''
-* Decent frontal armour
+* Amazing mobility. Among MBTs its Power/Weight ratio is only surpassed by the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/Leopard_2K Leopard 2K] and the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/Type_90_(Family) Type 90 family], and matched by the [https://wiki.warthunder.com/PT-16/T14_mod. PT-16/T14 mod]. This is far and away the most important trait of the AMX-40, allowing a very aggressive playstyle.
-* Composite armour allows for a more balanced survivability
+* Good firepower.
-* Good mobility: about the same as on the AMX-30, with great forward and reverse acceleration and speed
+** OFL 120 G1 apfsds has 394mm rha-equivalent penetration at 10m and 0°, 214mm at 2000m and 60°.
-* The GIAT 120 mm gun is a big improvement over the AMX-30's 105 mm gun
+** Coaxial 20mm autocannon can break tracks and penetrate lightly armored vehicles.
-* Sports a 20 mm coaxial cannon for use against lightly armoured targets
+*** The autocannon is mounted in a separate slot in the mantlet, giving it an additional +20° of elevation (not technically coaxial), allowing it to engage helicopters in some situations.
 '''Cons:'''
-* Overall armour can still be penetrated by the majority of the guns at its rank
+* Fixed 10x zoom on the gunner's sight. Too much zoom can make aiming at closer ranges very awkward and claustrophobic. 10x can also be too little to aim at weakspots beyond 2000 m, but that is a very common max zoom level around this BR.
-* Turret turn speed is slower than most of the top rank VI tanks, close combat can turn deadly quickly for the AMX-40
+* Mediocre armor; generaly poor protection against both kinetic and chemical threats.
 == History ==

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 '''Flanking''' - The AMX-40 is one of the most mobile MBTs at its battle rating and has nice agility when traversing. Speed should be the main feature of combat, "Hit n' Run" should be used, engage to disable or destroy and escape as fast as you can, use smoke if needed.
-'''Front line''' - Although not recommended due to the low armour, it can withstand some ATGMs and HEATFS as well as autocannons from IFV and SPAA. Stabilizer makes a huge upgrade to the tank as it can poke and shoot from corners without stopping at all, making engagements much more quicker than with AMX-30s. Composite armour will sometimes stop powerful rounds, do not expect to stop a round with this as it is not meant to stop high calibre APFSDS or even HEATFS. It will stop low calibre APFSDS (25 mm, 30 mm, 40 mm) at relative close ranges and anti tank grenades and rockets (PG-9).
+'''Front line''' - Although not recommended due to the low armour, it can withstand some ATGMs and HEATFS as well as autocannons from IFV and SPAA. Stabilizer makes a huge upgrade to the tank as it can poke and shoot from corners without stopping at all, making engagements much quicker than with AMX-30s. Composite armour will sometimes stop powerful rounds, do not expect to stop a round with this as it is not meant to stop high calibre APFSDS or even HEATFS. It will stop low calibre APFSDS (25 mm, 30 mm, 40 mm) at relative close ranges and anti tank grenades and rockets (PG-9).
-'''Support''' - Despite being an MBT, it can also be somewhat used as an IFV due to the 20 mm autocannon which can penetrate the sides of MBTs and/or destroy modules such as tracks, barrels or set engines on fire, sometimes firing the main gun is not even needed. Be aware that Soviet and Russian MBTs will stop penetration of your 20 mm HVAP due to the side armour. When engaging them, focus on firing at tracks and barrels, use your main gun to destroy them.
+'''Support''' - Despite being an MBT, it can also be somewhat used as an IFV due to the 20 mm autocannon which can penetrate the sides of MBTs and/or destroy modules such as tracks, barrels or set engines on fire, sometimes firing the main gun is not even needed. Be aware that Soviet and Russian MBTs will stop penetration of your 20 mm HVAP-T due to the side armour. When engaging them, focus on firing at tracks and barrels, use your main gun to destroy them.
-The OFL 120 G1 has penetration of a 105 mm APFSDS, it is only able to penetrate [[T-72A]] frontal plate. Tanks like [[T-72B]], [[T-72B3]], [[T-80B]] and [[T-80U]] will completely stop your round. Aim for the tank's sides.
+The OFL 120 G1 has penetration of a 105 mm APFSDS, it is only able to penetrate the frontal plate of the [[T-72A]]. Tanks like [[T-72B]], [[T-72B3]], [[T-80B]] and [[T-80U]] will completely stop your round. Aim for the tank's sides.
 '''Rural combat:'''

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 == Description ==
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-The '''AMX-40''' is a special export prototype that was designed by GIAT in the late Cold War as an export tank to replace its predecessors, the [[AMX-32 (105)|AMX-32 P1]] and [[AMX-32|AMX-32 P2]]. GIAT opted to produce another prototype, the AMX-40 main combat tank, after the previous AMX-32 P1 and AMX-32 P2 failed to attract any possible buyers. The AMX-40's development began in 1980 as a completely new design. The first prototype was completed in 1983 and displayed at the Satory Exhibition that year. Two more prototypes were built in 1984, and the fourth and final one was built in 1985. The design was not intended for French service but rather as a replacement for the AMX-32 main battle tanks, an enhanced export variant of the [[AMX-30 (Family)|AMX-30 major battle tanks]]. However, efforts to attract international orders failed once more. It was no longer available for export in 1990 when the Cold War ended, and a large number of surplus main battle tanks were available on the market. The AMX-40 was designed to be a low-cost tank aimed at militaries with limited defence resources, with a weakly armoured hull and good mobility typical of past French main battle tanks, as well as a powerful 120 mm GIAT CN120-25 G1 tank gun. As it failed to generate attention and revenue, the project was declared a failure and was cancelled in 1990.
+The '''AMX-40''' is a special export prototype that was designed by GIAT in the late Cold War as an export tank to replace its predecessors, the [[AMX-32 (105)|AMX-32 P1]] and [[AMX-32|AMX-32 P2]]. GIAT opted to produce another prototype, the AMX-40 main combat tank, after the previous AMX-32s failed to attract any buyers. The AMX-40's development began in 1980 as a completely new design. It was designed to be a low-cost tank aimed at militaries with limited defence resources, with a weakly armoured hull and good mobility typical of past French main battle tanks, as well as a powerful 120 mm GIAT CN120-25 G1 tank gun. The first prototype was completed in 1983 and displayed at the Eurosatory that year. Two more prototypes were built in 1984, and the fourth and final one was built in 1985. However, towards the end of the Cold War, a large number of surplus main battle tanks became available on the market, and the project was declared a failure and cancelled in 1990 due to lack of interest.
-Introduced in [[Update 1.79 "Project X"]], the AMX-40 lineage can be traced back to the original [[AMX-30]]. Despite being a new design, it inherits many concepts and ideologies from the AMX-32 P1 and AMX-32 P2, which are part of the huge AMX-30 main battle tank family. The AMX-40 offers enhanced survivability on battlefields of greater lethality due to its improved frontal protection compromising composite armour. Overall, it feels like a substantially enhanced AMX-32 P2. Players can be a little more aggressive with this tank since its protection has been improved. However, this does not ensure immunity because most of the opponents at this rank can still penetrate its overall armour.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.79 "Project X"]], the AMX-40 lineage can be traced back to the original [[AMX-30]]. Despite being a new design, it inherits many concepts and ideologies from the AMX-32 P1 and AMX-32 P2, which are part of the huge AMX-30 main battle tank family. The AMX-40 offers enhanced survivability on battlefields of greater lethality due to its improved frontal protection compromising composite armour. Overall, it feels like a substantially enhanced AMX-32 P2. Players can be a little more aggressive with this tank since its protection has been improved. However, this does not ensure immunity because most of the opponents at this rank can still penetrate its overall armour.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.79 "Project X"]].
+The '''AMX-40''' is a special export prototype that was designed by GIAT in the late Cold War as an export tank to replace its predecessors, the [[AMX-32 (105)|AMX-32 P1]] and [[AMX-32|AMX-32 P2]]. GIAT opted to produce another prototype, the AMX-40 main combat tank, after the previous AMX-32 P1 and AMX-32 P2 failed to attract any possible buyers. The AMX-40's development began in 1980 as a completely new design. The first prototype was completed in 1983 and displayed at the Satory Exhibition that year. Two more prototypes were built in 1984, and the fourth and final one was built in 1985. The design was not intended for French service but rather as a replacement for the AMX-32 main battle tanks, an enhanced export variant of the [[AMX-30 (Family)|AMX-30 major battle tanks]]. However, efforts to attract international orders failed once more. It was no longer available for export in 1990 when the Cold War ended, and a large number of surplus main battle tanks were available on the market. The AMX-40 was designed to be a low-cost tank aimed at militaries with limited defence resources, with a weakly armoured hull and good mobility typical of past French main battle tanks, as well as a powerful 120 mm GIAT CN120-25 G1 tank gun. As it failed to generate attention and revenue, the project was declared a failure and was cancelled in 1990.
-The AMX-40 represents a massive shift in the French tank tree, with the addition of a stabilizer, whereas all other vehicles, with the exception of the American vehicles (Sherman M4A1, Jumbo.) have no actual stabilizer. Many players might find themselves hesitating to fire a shot as soon as a target is seen because there is usually time to think before the gun is stabilized, but at this rank, French players might find themselves having a hard time shooting before their enemy.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.79 "Project X"]], the AMX-40 lineage can be traced back to the original [[AMX-30]]. Despite being a new design, it inherits many concepts and ideologies from the AMX-32 P1 and AMX-32 P2, which are part of the huge AMX-30 main battle tank family. The AMX-40 offers enhanced survivability on battlefields of greater lethality due to its improved frontal protection compromising composite armour. Overall, it feels like a substantially enhanced AMX-32 P2. Players can be a little more aggressive with this tank since its protection has been improved. However, this does not ensure immunity because most of the opponents at this rank can still penetrate its overall armour.
 == General info ==
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 '''Armour type:'''
 * Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, turret, cupola) - abbreviated as RHA
 * High hardness rolled armour (front glacis - composite armour)
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 '''Notes:'''
 * Suspension wheels, tracks and torsion bars are 20 mm thick.
 * Belly armour is 15 mm thick.
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 * A second internal wall of 35 mm RHA separates the turret from the bustle ammo rack.
 * Composite armour is located on the front lower glacis:
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 * Spaced armour is located on the turret front and sides:
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 * The values in the table above are not to be added to the armour values present in the first table as they only describe the layout of spaced armour.
 * The spaced armour does not cover the MG port.
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_amx_40 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role
 * [[Leopard 2K]]

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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:GIAT CN120-25 G1 (120 mm)/Ammunition|OCC 120 G1, OFL 120 G1}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 ;Videos
-{{Youtube-gallery|wJkQW4kSJjM|'''French MBTs''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 5:02 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''|0aEL9-nkAg4|'''{{PAGENAME}} - The Original Baguette''' - ''JustinPlaysYT''|6ZPe4_MfB_I|'''{{PAGENAME}} - The Min/Max high tier tank''' - ''Napalmratte''|g_BSL6Den8Q|'''{{PAGENAME}} Tank Review''' - ''NUSensei''}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|wJkQW4kSJjM|'''French MBTs''' discusses the {{PAGENAME}} at 5:02 - ''War Thunder Official Channel''|0aEL9-nkAg4|'''AMX-40 - The Original Baguette''' - ''JustinPlaysYT''|6ZPe4_MfB_I|'''AMX-40 - The Min/Max high tier tank''' - ''Napalmratte''}}
 == See also ==

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 ! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
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-| Coaxial || 800 (500) || 740 || 0°/+20° || N/A
+| Coaxial || 1,000 (500) || 740 || 0°/+20° || N/A
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 ! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
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-| Pintle || 2,150 (100) || 900 || -10°/+40° || ±120°
+| Pintle || 2,200 (100) || 900 || -10°/+40° || ±120°
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