AMX-30 (1972) - Revision history

U44629479: Edits

2024-01-04T07:25:36Z

Edits

U75090945: Changed 7.3 to 8.0 to reflect it's current BR

2024-01-03T23:31:30Z

Changed 7.3 to 8.0 to reflect it's current BR

U74396666: Minor updates - there is no model 1972 in articles, it is simply written as AMX-30B for the most part

2023-10-16T06:44:27Z

Minor updates - there is no model 1972 in articles, it is simply written as AMX-30B for the most part

U74396666: New Description Project - France Priority: AMX-30B (Model 1972)

2023-10-14T07:57:10Z

New Description Project - France Priority: AMX-30B (Model 1972)

U44629479: Edits

2023-08-07T09:20:08Z

Edits

U44629479: Undo revision 161607 by U146350436 (talk)

2023-05-01T11:52:08Z

Undo revision 161607 by U146350436 (talk)

U146350436: i devellopped the history of AMX-30

2023-05-01T11:27:02Z

i devellopped the history of AMX-30

U44629479: /* Ammunition */ Converted to transclusion

2023-01-25T21:12:25Z

‎Ammunition: Converted to transclusion

U38088265: /* Machine guns */

2022-08-21T16:45:38Z

‎Machine guns

U44629479: Added TankManufacturer template

2022-01-07T20:13:00Z

Added TankManufacturer template

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 ;Hull
-The lower front plate is 79 mm thick at 39° (which is not a lot at 8.0) while the upper front plate is (again) 79mm, this time at 68°. In other words, the hull will not defend the AMX-30 against anything heavier than an autocannon, although it could bounce some AP and APHE rounds when using the 8° of gun depression to its fullest, though to be safer, don't expose the front of the hull.
+The lower front plate is 79 mm thick at 39° (which is not a lot at this BR) while the upper front plate is (again) 79 mm, this time at 68°. In other words, the hull will not defend the AMX-30 against anything heavier than an autocannon, although it could bounce some AP and APHE rounds when using the 8° of gun depression to its fullest, though to be safer, don't expose the front of the hull.
-The sides and the rear of the hull are also lacklustre, with 30 mm protection and then the only "strong point" being the sponsons with 35 mm, expect most rounds larger than heavy machine guns to pass through. The sponsons themselves have only a 57 mm plate covering the front, not to mention it is angled up and to the side, it could potentially be a weak spot for anti-aircraft vehicles if they are at an angle compared to you.
+The sides and the rear of the hull are also lacklustre, with 30 mm protection and then the only strong point being the sponsons with 35 mm, expect most rounds larger than heavy machine guns to pass through. The sponsons themselves have only a 57 mm plate covering the front, not to mention it is angled up and to the side, it could potentially be a weak spot for anti-aircraft vehicles if they are at an angle compared to you.
 ;Turret

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 ;Hull
-The lower front plate is 79 mm thick at 39° (which is not a lot at 7.3) while the upper front plate is (again) 79mm, this time at 68°. In other words, the hull will not defend the AMX-30 against anything heavier than an autocannon, although it could bounce some AP and APHE rounds when using the 8° of gun depression to its fullest, though to be safer, don't expose the front of the hull.
+The lower front plate is 79 mm thick at 39° (which is not a lot at 8.0) while the upper front plate is (again) 79mm, this time at 68°. In other words, the hull will not defend the AMX-30 against anything heavier than an autocannon, although it could bounce some AP and APHE rounds when using the 8° of gun depression to its fullest, though to be safer, don't expose the front of the hull.
 The sides and the rear of the hull are also lacklustre, with 30 mm protection and then the only "strong point" being the sponsons with 35 mm, expect most rounds larger than heavy machine guns to pass through. The sponsons themselves have only a 57 mm plate covering the front, not to mention it is angled up and to the side, it could potentially be a weak spot for anti-aircraft vehicles if they are at an angle compared to you.

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 == Description ==
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-The '''AMX-30B (Model 1972)''' is the second variant of the [[AMX-30 (Family)|AMX-30 main battle tank family]]. Many enhancements were made during the production run. Beginning in 1972, the original coaxial M2HB Browning heavy machine gun was replaced with a dual-purpose 20 mm GIAT M693 autocannon capable of depressing from -8° and elevating to 40° in the vertical axis to provide improved deterrence against enemy lightly armoured vehicles and helicopters. All previous AMX-30 main battle tanks were eventually upgraded to the newer AMX-30B standard.
+The '''AMX-30B''' is the second variant of the [[AMX-30 (Family)|AMX-30 main battle tank family]]. Many enhancements were made during the production run. Beginning in 1972, the original coaxial M2HB Browning heavy machine gun was replaced with a dual-purpose 20 mm GIAT M693 autocannon capable of depressing from -8° and elevating to 40° in the vertical axis to provide improved deterrence against enemy lightly armoured vehicles and helicopters. Furthermore, all units of the first AMX-30 variant were upgraded to the newer AMX-30B specification.
-Introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]], the AMX-30B (Model 1972) is essentially identical to the [[AMX-30|original batch of AMX-30s]], with the main variation being the coaxial-mounted weaponry. The play style is similar in that players should stay with other stronger teammates and serve as a long-range support tank. Set up ambushes to disable tracks or take out one or two crew members of the enemy tank before retreating to cover. Since most tanks in the AMX-30B (Model 1972) rank can easily penetrate its armour, it is advised to play more conservatively and not too aggressively during combat.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]], the AMX-30B is essentially identical to the original batch of AMX-30s, with the main variation being the coaxial-mounted weaponry. The play style is similar in that players should stay with other stronger teammates and serve as a long-range support tank. Set up ambushes to disable tracks or take out one or two crew members of the enemy tank before retreating to cover. As most tanks that the AMX-30B encounters are easily able to penetrate its armour, it is advised to play more conservatively and not too aggressively during combat.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French medium tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]].
+The '''AMX-30B (Model 1972)''' is the second variant of the [[AMX-30 (Family)|AMX-30 main battle tank family]]. Many enhancements were made during the production run. Beginning in 1972, the original coaxial M2HB Browning heavy machine gun was replaced with a dual-purpose 20 mm GIAT M693 autocannon capable of depressing from -8° and elevating to 40° in the vertical axis to provide improved deterrence against enemy lightly armoured vehicles and helicopters. All previous AMX-30 main battle tanks were eventually upgraded to the newer AMX-30B standard.
-The [[AMX-30]] was first issued in August 1966, with the first 5 units being assigned to 501''e Régiment de Chars de Combat'' (Combat Tank Regiment). The AMX-30 is the first tank to use France's very own 105 mm gun, the [[CN-105-F1 (105 mm)|CN-105-F1]] designed in tandem with the Obus G spin stabilized High Explosive Anti-Tank round; a [[Browning M2HB (12.7 mm)|12.7 mm M2HB]] heavy machine gun for a co-axial, and a [[AAN-F1 (7.62 mm)|7.62 mm]] machine gun on the cupola. At the time, it weighed a light 36 tons (metric) compared to the [[Leopard I|Leopard's]] 40 tons, but overall has a lower hp/ton ratio due to the usage of a weaker engine. The AMX-30 mod. 1972 saw the replacement of the [[Browning M2HB (12.7 mm)|M2HB]] co-axial machine gun with a [[20F2 (20 mm)|20 mm 20F2 autocannon]] with the ability to elevate from -8° to 40° (20° higher than the main gun) in order to target light armoured Vehicles and helicopters
+Introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]], the AMX-30B (Model 1972) is essentially identical to the [[AMX-30|original batch of AMX-30s]], with the main variation being the coaxial-mounted weaponry. The play style is similar in that players should stay with other stronger teammates and serve as a long-range support tank. Set up ambushes to disable tracks or take out one or two crew members of the enemy tank before retreating to cover. Since most tanks in the AMX-30B (Model 1972) rank can easily penetrate its armour, it is advised to play more conservatively and not too aggressively during combat.
 == General info ==
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 ;Skins
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 == See also ==
 ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

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 | Turret || 30-150 mm (0-79°) ''Gun mantlet'' <br> 30 mm (61-75°) ''Turret front top'' || 41.5 mm (19-47°) || 30 mm (1-64°) <br> 20 mm (54-64°) ''Turret underside'' || 20 mm
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-! Armour !! Sides !! Roof
+| Cupola || 80 mm || 80 mm || 80 mm || 20 mm
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 {{main|CN-105-F1 (105 mm)}}
-The main armament on the AMX-30 (1972) is the [[CN-105-F1 (105 mm)|CN-105-F1]]. This gun was specifically designed for the use of the tank's OCC-105 spin stabilized HEAT shell, which works by spinning an outer shell using the gun's rifling in order to provide aerodynamic stability while the inner shell (the actual warhead) is suspended by bearings in order to minimize rotation, which would reduce the penetrative power of said shell. It is for all intents and purposes a slightly different HEAT-FS shell.
+The main armament on the AMX-30 (1972) is the [[CN-105-F1 (105 mm)|CN-105-F1]]. This gun was specifically designed for the use of the tank's OCC-105 spin stabilized HEAT shell, which works by spinning an outer shell using the gun's rifling in order to provide aerodynamic stability while the inner shell (the actual warhead) is suspended by bearings in order to minimize rotation, which would reduce the penetrative power of said shell. It is for all intents and purposes a slightly different HEATFS shell.
-The main concern is that HEAT shells, particularly modern ones, are sensitive to impact, they might fly through some foliage and some fences, but it is best to destroy the destructible terrain first before firing (where the 20 mm comes in handy, more on that later), though you must remember that on maps like [[Sinai|Sinai]] where houses can be shot through without being shot down, you are at a disadvantage because if you are seen, enemies with AP shells of any sort can and will be able to shoot through the building and hit you, while chemical shells (including HE, HEAT, and HEAT-FS) can't.
+The main concern is that HEAT shells, particularly modern ones, are sensitive to impact, they might fly through some foliage and some fences, but it is best to destroy the destructible terrain first before firing (where the 20 mm comes in handy, more on that later), though you must remember that on maps like [[Sinai|Sinai]] where houses can be shot through without being shot down, you are at a disadvantage because if you are seen, enemies with AP shells of any sort can and will be able to shoot through the building and hit you, while chemical shells (including HE, HEAT, and HEATFS) can't.
-But do not underestimate the power of its HEAT shell, it still is quite deadly, harder to bounce, and it keeps penetration over a range, not to mention you get similar performance to a Leopard's HEAT-FS from stock and thus without the associated price. All in all, firepower-wise, the tank is not bad.
+But do not underestimate the power of its HEAT shell, it still is quite deadly, harder to bounce, and it keeps penetration over a range, not to mention you get similar performance to a Leopard's HEATFS from stock and thus without the associated price. All in all, firepower-wise, the tank is not bad.
 The shrapnel of the round in post-penetration damage might not be as plentiful as APHE rounds, but with a reload speed of 8.7 seconds stock, provided you aim for crew and modules, you can spit out about 7 HEAT shells penetrating anything from 200 mm at 60° to 400 mm at 90° every minute. Once fully upgraded, you go from 8.7 seconds reload for about 7 shots per minute to 6.7 seconds reload for about 9 shots a minute. It isn't the best out there, but it does fire fast.
-A word of warning before talking of the gun's flexibility though, knowing your enemy's tank is crucial, but most importantly you must know and remember the location of A) the gunner, in order to prevent him from firing, and B) the ammo racks, in order to one shot the enemy, should you catch him off guard or incapacitate his gunner.
+A word of warning before talking of the gun's flexibility though, knowing your enemy's tank is crucial, but most importantly you must know and remember the location of A) the gunner, in order to prevent him from firing, and B) the ammo racks, in order to knock out the enemy, should you catch him off guard or incapacitate his gunner.
 As for gun handling, it's quite exceptional. The turret rotation is okay stock at 36°/s and is fast once you get the "horizontal turret drive" module unlocked at 50°/s. The turret elevation isn't slow either, meaning that acquiring, tracking, and changing targets is relatively easy on this tank, you can even track some propeller driven aircraft (more on that later).
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 For ammo loadouts, it is suggested to bring 20-25 rounds of HEAT, 3-6 rounds of Smoke, and no HE rounds. That is because despite the 47 rounds capacity, in a normal game you won't fire that many HEAT rounds, thus 20 shells for the more ammo conserving folk or 25 rounds for the more trigger happy recommend. You may take more if you really need to, but you can get away with just that many if you make a stop by a capture zone to replenish.
-The smoke rounds, depending on your play-style, you might not need often, but when you do, they are life-saving as they can allow you to lay a smoke screen right in front of you or your team when you're out of smoke grenades (or if you've yet to unlock them yet) and they can blind snipers allowing you and your team to move up.
+The smoke rounds, depending on your playstyle, you might not need often, but when you do, they are life-saving as they can allow you to lay a smoke screen right in front of you or your team when you're out of smoke grenades (or if you've yet to unlock them yet) and they can blind snipers allowing you and your team to move up.
-The HE shells are very situational since the 20 mm is almost always a better alternative. You don't need it to hull break light vehicles since the HEAT shell already does that, the only use would be for a target that is too far to hit effectively with the 20 mm, but where a HEAT shell might be unnecessary.
+The HE shells are very situational since the 20 mm is almost always a better alternative. You don't need it to overpressurise light vehicles since the HEAT shell already does that, the only use would be for a target that is too far to hit effectively with the 20 mm, but where a HEAT shell might be unnecessary.
 {{:CN-105-F1 (105 mm)/Ammunition|OCC 105 F1, OE 105 F1 Mle.60, OFPH 105 F1}}
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-Notes:
+'''Notes''':
 * Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
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 * HEAT shells have good penetration
 * Has access to smoke shells and smoke grenades
-* Gunner and driver are not aligned means tank is harder to disable in one shot
+* Gunner and driver are not aligned, meaning the tank is harder to disable in one shot
 * Hull ammo rack surrounded by a fuel tank
 * Has a good rangefinder as a modification, making long-range engagements easier
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 * ''other literature.'' -->
-* [[wt:en/news/5206-development-amx-30-mod-1972-next-generation-en|[Devblog]  AMX-30 Mod. 1972: Next Generation]]
+* [[wt:en/news/5206-development-amx-30-mod-1972-next-generation-en|[Devblog] AMX-30 Mod. 1972: Next Generation]]
 * [[wikipedia:AMX-30|[Wikipedia] AMX-30]]
 * [https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/France/AMX-30.php <nowiki>[Tanks Encyclopedia]</nowiki> AMX-30]

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 == History ==
-''The AMX-30 is a main battle tank that was designed and produced by the French company Ateliers de construction d'Issy-les-Moulineaux (AMX). Development of the tank began in the early 1960s, and it entered service with the French Army in 1966.''
+''Describe the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle in more detail than in the introduction. If the historical reference turns out to be too long, take it to a separate article, taking a link to the article about the vehicle and adding a block "/History" (example: <nowiki>https://wiki.warthunder.com/(Vehicle-name)/History</nowiki>) and add a link to it here using the <code>main</code> template. Be sure to reference text and sources by using <code><nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki></code>, as well as adding them at the end of the article with <code><nowiki><references /></nowiki></code>. This section may also include the vehicle's dev blog entry (if applicable) and the in-game encyclopedia description (under <code><nowiki>=== In-game description ===</nowiki></code>, also if applicable).''
 == Media ==
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 == See also ==
 ''Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example:''
 * ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.''

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 The HE shells are very situational since the 20 mm is almost always a better alternative. You don't need it to hull break light vehicles since the HEAT shell already does that, the only use would be for a target that is too far to hit effectively with the 20 mm, but where a HEAT shell might be unnecessary.
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:CN-105-F1 (105 mm)/Ammunition|OCC 105 F1, OE 105 F1 Mle.60, OFPH 105 F1}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 ! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
 |-
-| Pintle || 2,050 (100) || 900 || -10°/+45° || ±120°
+| Pintle || 2,100 (100) || 900 || -10°/+45° || ±120°
 |-
 |}

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-* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicleCountry=france&vehicleType=tank&vehicleClass=medium_tank&vehicle=fr_amx_30_1972 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
+* [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_amx_30_1972 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 ;Videos
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 * [https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/France/AMX-30.php <nowiki>[Tanks Encyclopedia]</nowiki> AMX-30]
 {{France medium tanks}}