AMX-13 DCA 40 - Revision history

U44982996: clean up the pros/cons

2024-10-08T21:00:29Z

clean up the pros/cons

U83579431: /* Usage in battles */

2024-09-05T23:20:36Z

‎Usage in battles

U115682487: /* Ammo racks */ Perfection of the table plus a little usefull note

2024-06-18T12:47:44Z

‎Ammo racks: Perfection of the table plus a little usefull note

U43191476: /* See also */

2023-11-09T15:09:32Z

‎See also

U74396666: New Description Project - France Priority: Tanks - AMX-13 Défense Contre Avions (DCA) canon de 40 mm

2023-10-17T17:03:50Z

New Description Project - France Priority: Tanks - AMX-13 Défense Contre Avions (DCA) canon de 40 mm

U91965995: /* Description */ minor grammar edits for better readability

2023-08-28T06:54:48Z

‎Description: minor grammar edits for better readability

U38088265: /* Ammunition */

2023-06-15T13:08:34Z

‎Ammunition

U12423867: /* Usage in battles */

2023-05-28T18:25:26Z

‎Usage in battles

U38088265: /* Main armament */

2023-03-19T22:36:17Z

‎Main armament

U44629479: Edits

2023-01-31T15:26:26Z

Edits

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 '''Pros:'''
-* Good top speed, and decent agility
+* Good top speed and decent agility
-* Fast reload (unnoticeable reload)
+* Equipped with an improved Bofors autocannon with faster rate of fire and penetration
-* Fires twice as fast as its predecessor (240 rpm)
+* Fast turret traverse speed and good gun handling
-* Shells have a higher velocity compared to the standard Bofors 40 mm, making it easier to find hits
+* Can easily tear apart light vehicles frontally, and heavier vehicles from the sides
-* Shells have amazing penetration
+* Can destroy most aircraft with a few connected shots
 * Gun is hard to overheat
-* If only loading approximately 50% ammo, shots to the right side of the turret will knock out one crew member and do no other damage
 '''Cons:'''
-* Turret is literally an ammo rack
+* Somewhat ineffective at engaging aircraft at longer range due to having only one cannon and lower rate of fire for an SPAA
 * Bad gun depression
-* Loader is exposed to MG fire
+* Struggles to reach its top speed in rough terrain
 == History ==

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 Once you've taken out the gun, go for the track or transmission. doing this will render any tank immobile for at least 20 seconds, which is more than enough.
-mm of penetration can go through almost any tank's side armour and rear armour in the game. Except for the Maus, of course, your gun can shred enemy tanks from the side.
+mm of penetration can go through almost any tank's side armour and rear armour in the game. Except for most super-heavy tanks, your gun can shred enemy tanks from the side.
 It's worth mentioning that in a downtier against axis powers, you can penetrate every vehicle you see from the front except for some German casemates. In an uptier, if you must engage a heavily-armoured tank from the front, several well-placed shots to the cannon barrel will knock it out, and enable you to flank at your leisure and feast on their side armour. A more conservative way to play is to stay a few metres behind the front-line and spot flanking tanks while also watching the skies.

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 ! 4th<br>rack empty
 ! 5th<br>rack empty
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-| '''101''' || 93&nbsp;''(+8)'' || 85&nbsp;''(+16)'' || 77&nbsp;''(+24)'' || 61&nbsp;''(+40)'' || 41&nbsp;''(+60)''
+| '''101''' || 93&nbsp;''(+8)'' || 85&nbsp;''(+16)'' || 77&nbsp;''(+24)'' || 57&nbsp;''(+44)'' || 41&nbsp;''(+60)''
-|-
+|21&nbsp;''(+80)''
-! 6th<br>rack empty
+|13&nbsp;''(+88)''
-! 7th<br>rack empty
+|9&nbsp;''(+92)''
-! 8th<br>rack empty
+|1&nbsp;''(+100)''
-! 9th<br>rack empty
+|No
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 * Racks are subdivided in sets of 4 clips.
 * Clips disappear when all clips in the set have been shot or loaded.
 == Usage in battles ==

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 ;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role
-* [[Ostwind]]
+* [[Lvkv 42]]
 * [[ZSU-37]]
 * [[Crusader AA Mk I]]
-* [[Lvkv 42]]
+* [[Ostwind]]
 == External links ==

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 == Description ==
 <!--''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.''-->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' ('''''A'''telier de Construction d'Issy-les-'''M'''oulineau'''x''', char de '''13''' t, '''d'''éfense '''c'''ontre '''a'''vions, canon de '''40''' mm'': Issy-les-Moulineaux construction bureau, 13 ton tank, anti-air defense, 40 mm gun) is a Rank {{Specs|rank}} French self-propelled anti-aircraft gun {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]]. It is a clear improvement to its predecessor in all domains, combining two good things to make them even better: the [[AMX-13]]'s chassis and an improved [[Bofors (40 mm)|Bofors]] cannon (The 40 mm Mle 51 T1 cannon is a French version of the usual 40 mm Bofors AA gun).
+The '''AMX-13 Défense Contre Avions (DCA) canon de 40 mm''' is the fourth variant of the [[AMX-13 (Family)|AMX-13 light tank family]]. Due to a scarcity of self-propelled anti-air (SPAA) vehicles in France following World War II, attempts were undertaken in the 1950s to repurpose existing tank chassis for anti-air tasks. The main weapon of the prototype is a 40 mm Mle51 T1 cannon based on the 40 mm Bofors L/70 cannon. The resulting vehicle is called the AMX-13 Défense Contre Avions (DCA) canon de 40 mm, and it is comprised of an [[AMX-13|AMX-13/75 FL10]] chassis with a rear-mounted armoured SAMM S-980 turret that allows firing at 90° elevation. With its sloped sides and full 360° traverse, the turret provided adequate overall protection.
-An [[AMX-13]] chassis, a classic of French post-war technology has been modified to fit the SPAA role. This specific chassis has some differences compared to the traditional [[AMX-13]] hulls: an enlarged turret ring and with it some extra storage boxes, both extending sideways over the tracks. This tank is quite recognizable due to its large box-shaped turret over its chassis.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]], the AMX-13 DCA canon de 40 mm is extremely versatile, as it can effectively execute both anti-air and anti-tank duties. It possesses an autocannon with a decent firing rate and accuracy that can easily knock down enemy aircraft. This, combined with the deadly firepower it has access to, makes it an extremely dangerous vehicle. Furthermore, its mobility can be used to flank across the battlefields and engage poorly armoured vehicles in the enemy team early in the battle. Its interchangeable ammunition belts enable this vehicle to quickly convert between different types of ammunition. This vehicle is a tremendous beast in the right hands, easily capable of destroying many tanks in battle.
 == General info ==

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 * '''40 mm AP-T:''' {{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|AP-T|Armour-piercing tracer}}{{-}}{{Annotation|HEFI-T*|High-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer (self-destroying)}} - This belt is adapted for targeting lightly armoured vehicles with its armour-piercing rounds.
-{{:Mle51 T1 (40 mm)/Ammunition|40 mm HEFI-T, 40 mm AP-T}}
+{{:Mle51 T1 (40 mm)/Ammunition|HEFI-T*, AP-T}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-This SPAA is quite versatile as it can take down both tanks and planes with mitigated efficiency. It has an autocannon that does not fires fast enough to engage planes efficiently nor does it penetrates enough to shred tanks. As it is, this SPAA is good for front line use: providing cover for incoming ground attackers to its allies while also securing flanks from fast-movers.
+This SPAA is quite versatile as it can take down both tanks and planes with mitigated efficiency. It has an autocannon that does not fire fast enough to engage planes efficiently, nor does it penetrate enough to shred tanks. As it is, this SPAA is good for front-line use: providing cover for incoming ground attackers to its allies while also securing flanks from fast-movers.
-Good at engaging both tanks and planes, its versatile belts allows this vehicle to switch roles in a split second. In the right hands, in a downtier, this SPAA is an absolute monster, easily capable of ace matches against tanks.
+Good at engaging both tanks and planes, its versatile belts allow this vehicle to switch roles in a split second. In the right hands, in a downtier, this SPAA is an absolute monster, easily capable of ace matches against tanks.
 '''SPAA use:'''
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 '''Front-line use:'''
-Do not engage tanks frontally: prefer lateral engagements, surprise your foes. If it happens that the enemy team is composed of medium/light tanks, there is a great chance that you can knock some of them out, but be sure to have an escape route as any tank noticing you counters those flanking manoeuvres. Heavy tanks at this BR are usually very hard to get trough, even from the side, engage at your own risk.
+Do not engage tanks frontally: prefer lateral engagements, to surprise your foes. If it happens that the enemy team is composed of medium/light tanks, there is a great chance that you can knock some of them out, but be sure to have an escape route as any tank noticing you counters those flanking manoeuvres. Heavy tanks at this BR are usually very hard to get trough, even from the side, engage at your own risk.
 Even though your gun has SPAA - Level Penetration, It can go through pretty much any tank side that it faces. Even the Tiger II. And it's from this that the DCA 40 gets it's charm tactic:
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 Once you've taken out the gun, go for the track or transmission. doing this will render any tank immobile for at least 20 seconds, which is more than enough.
-mm of penetration can go through almost any tank's side armour and rear armour in the game. With the exception of the Maus, of course, your gun can shred enemy tanks from the side. Knowing this
+mm of penetration can go through almost any tank's side armour and rear armour in the game. Except for the Maus, of course, your gun can shred enemy tanks from the side.
-It's worth mentioning that in a downtier against axis powers, you can penetrate every vehicle you see from the front except for some German casemates. In an uptier, if you must engage a heavily-armoured tank from the front, several well placed shots to the cannon barrel will knock it out, and enable you to flank at your leisure and feast on their side armour. A more conservative way to play is to stay a few metres behind the front-line and spot flanking tanks while also watching the skies.
+It's worth mentioning that in a downtier against axis powers, you can penetrate every vehicle you see from the front except for some German casemates. In an uptier, if you must engage a heavily-armoured tank from the front, several well-placed shots to the cannon barrel will knock it out, and enable you to flank at your leisure and feast on their side armour. A more conservative way to play is to stay a few metres behind the front-line and spot flanking tanks while also watching the skies.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_amx_13_dca_40 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

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 == Description ==
 <!--''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.''-->
-The '''{{specs|name}}''' ('''''A'''telier de Construction d'Issy-les-'''M'''oulineau'''x''', char de '''13''' t, '''d'''éfense '''c'''ontre '''a'''vions, canon de '''40''' mm'': Issy-les-Moulineaux construction bureau, 13 ton tank, anti-air defense, 40 mm gun) is a Rank {{specs|rank}} French self-propelled anti-aircraft gun {{Battle-rating|1}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]]. It is a clear improvement to its predecessor in all domains, combining two good things to make them even better: the [[AMX-13]]'s chassis and an improved [[Bofors (40 mm)|Bofors]] cannon (The 40 mm Mle 51 T1 cannon is a French version of the usual 40 mm Bofors AA gun).
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' ('''''A'''telier de Construction d'Issy-les-'''M'''oulineau'''x''', char de '''13''' t, '''d'''éfense '''c'''ontre '''a'''vions, canon de '''40''' mm'': Issy-les-Moulineaux construction bureau, 13 ton tank, anti-air defense, 40 mm gun) is a Rank {{Specs|rank}} French self-propelled anti-aircraft gun {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]]. It is a clear improvement to its predecessor in all domains, combining two good things to make them even better: the [[AMX-13]]'s chassis and an improved [[Bofors (40 mm)|Bofors]] cannon (The 40 mm Mle 51 T1 cannon is a French version of the usual 40 mm Bofors AA gun).
 An [[AMX-13]] chassis, a classic of French post-war technology has been modified to fit SPAA role. This specific chassis has some variants over the usual ones : an enlarged turret ring and with it some extra storage boxes, both extend sideways over the tracks. This tank is quite recognizable for its large box-shaped turret over its chassis.
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 === Survivability and armour ===
 {{Specs-Tank-Armour}}
-<!--''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat?''
+<!-- ''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.'' -->
 This tank has 20 mm of armour, all around, barely angled but for the UFP, this won't protect it from antitank rounds nor from autocannon fire but it can certainly deflect poorly-aimed HMG bursts, but not for too long. If taking too long bursts (or if the enemy gets too close), some bullets may find their way through the two ''large holes'' in the turret front, near the gun area (there is also two smaller holes in the turret's back). In sum, this tank's armour is not to be trusted, but it will save you from stray bullets and medium to long range MG/HMG fire.
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 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
 |-
-! colspan="6" | [[Mle51 T1 (40 mm)|40 mm Mle51 T1]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
+! colspan="6" | [[Mle51 T1 (40 mm)|40 mm Mle51 T1]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || Reloading rate (seconds)
 |-
 ! Mode !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
 ! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
-! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
+! Autoloader
 |-
 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 404 (4) || rowspan="2" | 240 || rowspan="2" | -5°/+85° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 26.4 || 36.6 || 44.4 || 49.1 || 52.2 || rowspan="2" | 0.50 || rowspan="2" | 0.50 || rowspan="2" | 0.50 || rowspan="2" | 0.50
+| rowspan="2" | 404 (4) || rowspan="2" | 240 || rowspan="2" | -5°/+85° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | - || 79.2 || 109.7 || 133.2 || 147.3 || 156.7 || rowspan="2" | 0.50
 |-
 ! ''Realistic''
-| 17.9 || 21.0 || 25.5 || 28.2 || 30.0
+| 53.5 || 63.0 || 76.5 || 84.6 || 90.0
 |-
 |}
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 == Usage in battles ==
-<!--''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''-->
+<!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
 This SPAA is quite versatile as it can take down both tanks and planes with mitigated efficiency. It has an autocannon that does not fires fast enough to engage planes efficiently nor does it penetrates enough to shred tanks. As it is, this SPAA is good for front line use: providing cover for incoming ground attackers to its allies while also securing flanks from fast-movers.
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 '''SPAA use:'''
-Pre-aim your gun in the predicted direction of your target: the DCA-40 has a bit of a slow turret traverse for an SPAA. It is easier to aim at targets coming towards you: stay with your team and fire when the plane is ~500 m away: an hitting round will shred it in no time. Any other SPAA tactics apply normally to this vehicle.
+It is easier to aim at targets coming towards you: stay with your team and fire when the plane is ~500 m away: an hitting round will shred it in no time. Any other SPAA tactics apply normally to this vehicle.
 '''Front-line use:'''
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 * Vulnerable to HMG fire
 * Most enemies that it faces are no longer vulnerable to side shots
 * Turret prone to ammo-racking from strafing planes

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 Knowing this, you can win battles against Panthers, Tigers (I and II), and many tanks you might find in an uptier at medium range, even when taking this tank into a higher tier than it could face.
-Taking out the gun is fairly easy, your center mounted bofors just needs to be aimed at the gun, and can take it out with 2 or 3 shots.
+Taking out the gun is fairly easy, your centre-mounted Bofors just needs to be aimed at the gun, and can take it out with 2 or 3 shots.
 Once you've taken out the gun, go for the track or transmission. doing this will render any tank immobile for at least 20 seconds, which is more than enough.