AMX-13 (SS.11) - Revision history

U103691029: /* Main armament */ Autoloader

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‎Main armament: Autoloader

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‎Description

U74396666: New Description Project - France Priority: Tanks - AMX-13/75 FL-10 (Char Lance SS.11)

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New Description Project - France Priority: Tanks - AMX-13/75 FL-10 (Char Lance SS.11)

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-! colspan="5" | [[SA50 L/57 (75 mm)|75 mm SA50 L/57]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
+! colspan="5" | [[SA50 L/57 (75 mm)|75 mm SA50 L/57]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || Reloading rate (seconds)
 |-
 ! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
 ! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
-! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
+!Autoloader
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 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 36 || rowspan="2" | -6°/+13° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 28.6 || 39.5 || 48.0 || 53.1 || 56.5 || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00
+| rowspan="2" | 36 || rowspan="2" | -6°/+13° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 28.6 || 39.5 || 48.0 || 53.1 || 56.5 || rowspan="2" | 5.00
 |-
 ! ''Realistic''

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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{{:SS.11/Ammunition|SS.11}}
+{{:SS.11/Ammunition|LFK SS.11}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''AMX-13/75 FL-10 (Char Lance SS.11)''' is the third subvariant of the [[AMX-13|AMX-13/75 FL-10]], which is the first variant of the [[AMX-13 (Family)|AMX-13 light tank family]]. It is identical to the standard AMX-13/75 FL-10, except for the four SS.11 anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) mounted on a launcher above the main armament. Nord Aviation's SS.11 is a French manual command to line-of-sight wire-guided ATGM. It is also available in an air-to-ground variant, the AS.11, with a stabilized sighting mechanism. In the U.S., the AS.11 was referred to as the AGM-22. It was one of the first ATGMs, entering service with the French Army in 1956 and serving until the 1980s. It also served as the foundation for the larger and more powerful SS.12/AS.12 series. The missile was manually guided by comparing the location of the target to flares on the back of the missile and adjusting its flight with a small joystick.
+The '''AMX-13/75 FL-10 (Char Lance SS.11)''' is the third subvariant of the [[AMX-13|AMX-13/75 FL-10]], which is the first variant of the [[AMX-13 (Family)|AMX-13 light tank family]]. It is identical to the standard AMX-13/75 FL-10, except for the four SS.11 anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) mounted on a launcher above the main armament. Nord Aviation's SS.11 is a French manual command to line-of-sight wire-guided ATGM. It was one of the first ATGMs, entering service with the French Army in 1956 and serving until the 1980s. It also served as the foundation for the larger and more powerful SS.12/AS.12 series. The missile was manually guided by comparing the location of the target to flares on the back of the missile and adjusting its flight with a small joystick.
 Introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]], the AMX-13/75 FL-10 (Char Lance SS.11) has the same playstyle as the standard AMX-13/75 FL-10. This light tank is extremely fast and agile, but it sacrifices its armour to do so. As a result of this, the AMX-13/75 FL-10 (Char Lance SS.11) is best used as a hit-and-run flanking vehicle or a sniper, especially with the SS.11 ATGMs onboard. Position the tank quickly at the start of the battle in regions where enemy tanks would not expect to see a light tank and wait in ambush for hostile tanks to pass through. This light tank with an autoloader is capable of effortlessly annihilating multiple opponents. When the enemy is far away or heavily armoured, use the SS.11 missiles. Avoid going to the front lines where the major battle is going on. Stay as close to the corner as possible, only driving out to attack an enemy who is not paying attention.

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium rank {{Specs|rank}} French light tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]] as a bundle vehicle but was removed from the store after the [[wt:en/news/5608-shop-summer-sale-independence-day-en|2018 Summer Sale]]. It was later reintroduced for [[wt:en/news/5852-special-news-war-thunder-s-birthday-discounts-and-gifts-en|War Thunder's 6th Anniversary]] as a premium purchasable for 7,480 Golden Eagles {{ge}}.
+The '''AMX-13/75 FL-10 (Char Lance SS.11)''' is the third subvariant of the [[AMX-13|AMX-13/75 FL-10]], which is the first variant of the [[AMX-13 (Family)|AMX-13 light tank family]]. It is identical to the standard AMX-13/75 FL-10, except for the four SS.11 anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) mounted on a launcher above the main armament. Nord Aviation's SS.11 is a French manual command to line-of-sight wire-guided ATGM. It is also available in an air-to-ground variant, the AS.11, with a stabilized sighting mechanism. In the U.S., the AS.11 was referred to as the AGM-22. It was one of the first ATGMs, entering service with the French Army in 1956 and serving until the 1980s. It also served as the foundation for the larger and more powerful SS.12/AS.12 series. The missile was manually guided by comparing the location of the target to flares on the back of the missile and adjusting its flight with a small joystick.
-The only difference from the AMX-13 light tank series is the rack of four deadly SS.11 missiles in the oscillating turret front. Everything else from the two protruding radio antennas to the four smoke dischargers are identical to the original [[AMX-13]] model.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]], the AMX-13/75 FL-10 (Char Lance SS.11) has the same playstyle as the standard AMX-13/75 FL-10. This light tank is extremely fast and agile, but it sacrifices its armour to do so. As a result of this, the AMX-13/75 FL-10 (Char Lance SS.11) is best used as a hit-and-run flanking vehicle or a sniper, especially with the SS.11 ATGMs onboard. Position the tank quickly at the start of the battle in regions where enemy tanks would not expect to see a light tank and wait in ambush for hostile tanks to pass through. This light tank with an autoloader is capable of effortlessly annihilating multiple opponents. When the enemy is far away or heavily armoured, use the SS.11 missiles. Avoid going to the front lines where the major battle is going on. Stay as close to the corner as possible, only driving out to attack an enemy who is not paying attention.
 == General info ==
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_amx_13_75_ss11 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]

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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:SS.11/Ammunition|SS.11}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:SA50 L/57 (75 mm)/Ammunition|POT-51A, OE Mle 1951, PCOT-51P}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
-! colspan="11" | Shell details
+! colspan="11" | Missile details
 |-
 ! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
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 ! rowspan="2" | Velocity<br>(m/s)
 ! rowspan="2" | Range<br>(m)
-! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>Mass (kg)
+! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>mass (kg)
 ! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay<br>(m)
 ! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity<br>(mm)
-! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
+! rowspan="2" | Explosive mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
 ! colspan="3" | Ricochet
 |-
 ! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
 |-
-| SS.11 || ATGM || 220 || 3,500 || 30 || 0.05 || 0.1 || 4,550 || 80° || 82° || 90°
+| SS.11 || ATGM || 190 || 3,500 || 29.99 || 0.05 || 0.1 || 2,000 || 80° || 82° || 90°
 |-
 |}

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 ! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
 |-
-| POT-51A || APC || 182 || 178 || 162 || 143 || 127 || 113
+| POT-51A || APBC || 182 || 178 || 162 || 143 || 127 || 113
 |-
 | 75 mm HE || HE || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10 || 10
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 ! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
 ! rowspan="2" | Velocity<br>(m/s)
-! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>Mass (kg)
+! rowspan="2" | Projectile<br>mass (kg)
 ! rowspan="2" | Fuse delay<br>(m)
 ! rowspan="2" | Fuse sensitivity<br>(mm)
-! rowspan="2" | Explosive Mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
+! rowspan="2" | Explosive mass<br>(TNT equivalent) (g)
 ! colspan="3" | Ricochet
 |-
 ! 0% !! 50% !! 100%
 |-
-| POT-51A || APC || 1,000 || 6.4 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 48° || 63° || 71°
+| POT-51A || APBC || 1,000 || 6.4 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 60° || 65°
 |-
 | 75 mm HE || HE || 753 || 6.2 || 0 || 0.1 || 675 || 79° || 80° || 81°

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 {{Specs-Tank-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.'' -->
-The AMX-13 SS.11 is quite a typical light tank. No armour to speak about, except for a frontal plate able to stop some AA rounds, but this is undermined by having four missiles that behave like ammunition racks in the open on top of the gun. The survival of the tank depends on speed and stealth. (The 8,8mm KwK 43 which is usual at this tier will literally enter one side and exit the other one no matter where it shoots from).
+The AMX-13 SS.11 is quite a typical light tank. No armour to speak about, except for a frontal plate able to stop some AA rounds, but this is undermined by having four missiles that behave like ammunition racks in the open on top of the gun. The survival of the tank depends on speed and stealth. (The 8,8 cm KwK43 which is usual at this tier will literally enter one side and exit the other one no matter where it shoots from).
 '''Armour type:'''
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 | Turret || 40 mm (32-47°) ''Turret front'' <br> 40 mm (12-41°) ''Turret base'' <br> 40 mm (15-75°) ''Barrel shroud'' || 20 mm (0-30°) ''Turret'' <br> 20 mm (12-14°) ''Turret base'' || 20 mm ''Turret bustle'' <br> 20 mm (17-22°) ''Pivot ball'' <br> 10 mm (77-90°) ''Turret underside'' || 10 mm
 |-
-! Armour !! Sides !! Roof
+| Cupola || 20 mm || 20 mm || 20 mm || 10 mm
 |-
 |}
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 |}
-Notes:
+'''Notes''':
 * Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
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 |-
 |}
-Notes:
+'''Notes''':
 * The missiles are listed from 1 to 4.
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-The AMX-13 is a flanker. This combined with the SS.11 ATGMs on board gives the ability to do two different styles. Either to zoom around (shoot'n'scoot) or stand far back and send missiles flying towards the enemies. In RB though, the missiles are controlled by WASD, making aiming a little bit more difficult. Furthermore, avoid getting shot at '''all cost!''' The armour might save you from 0.50 cals, but 14.5 mm and larger will destroy the vehicle in its entirety. Flanking is a viable option, done in the same way as M18, without the penetration needed for frontal armour.
+The AMX-13 is a flanker. This combined with the SS.11 ATGMs on board gives the ability to do two different styles. Either to zoom around (shoot'n'scoot) or stand far back and send missiles flying towards the enemies. In RB though, the missiles are controlled by WASD, making aiming a little bit more difficult. Furthermore, avoid getting shot at all cost. The armour might save you from 0.50 cals, but 14.5 mm and larger will destroy the vehicle in its entirety. Flanking is a viable option, done in the same way as M18, without the penetration needed for frontal armour.
 The AMX-13 (SS.11) is exceptionally fast and agile, but sacrifices armour to achieve this. Due to this, it's best to use this tank as either a hit-and-fade flanker or as a standoff sniper, especially with the SS.11 ATGMs onboard.
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 * A total of four (4) SS.11 Missiles ready to go
 * SS.11 penetrates 600 mm of 90 degrees RHA at any range
-* SS.11 has a rather small guidance dead zone of about 200 meters compared to other missiles (RB/SB)
+* SS.11 has a rather small guidance dead zone of about 200 m compared to other missiles (RB/SB)
 * For once, oscillating turret of AMX-13 is not only a downside, as it allows to fire SS.11 over cover (mostly useful in AB)
 * AMX-13 low profile allows for easier concealability among terrain
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 * Cannon may not be reliable enough to penetrate vehicles from the front at this rank
-* After the auto-loader is emptied, gun will not reload until it is rearmed, which takes a long time
+* After the autoloader is emptied, gun will not reload until it is rearmed, which takes a long time
 * SS.11 still has a guidance dead zone, which means, in very close combat you have to aim in between the tank and opponent to hit the target, or it will just fly over them
 * Missiles are aimed with WASD movement keys, tank must be stopped when guiding missile to target (RB/SB)
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 The main feature of the AMX-13 was the FL-10 oscillating turret, armed with a 75 mm gun with an automatic loader system fed by two six-round magazines, for a total of 12 rounds in the autoloading mechanism. The gun could depress 8° and elevate 12°, with 5° per second of elevation speed. The turret could rotate 360° with 30° per second of traverse speed. A TCV 107 laser rangefinder was provided to the gunner. 6 smoke grenade launchers were fitted on the turret, with 6 more grenades stored in the vehicle. One coaxial 7.62 mm machine gun was fitted, with 1,800 rounds in belts of 200. Another 7.62 mm machine gun could be fitted on an anti-aircraft mount with 1,800 rounds.
-The gasoline engine produced 250 horsepower, and the manual transmission had five forward and one reverse gear. The suspension was of the torsion bar type. The drive sprockets were in the front, return rollers in the back, and there were five road wheels and four return rollers. The AMX-13 could reach a speed of 60 kph, and it had a range of 400 kilometers.
+The gasoline engine produced 250 horsepower, and the manual transmission had five forward and one reverse gear. The suspension was of the torsion bar type. The drive sprockets were in the front, return rollers in the back, and there were five road wheels and four return rollers. The AMX-13 could reach a speed of 60 km/h, and it had a range of 400 km.
 The protection of the AMX-13, it being a light tank, was not great. It could withstand heavy machine gun and low-calibre autocannon rounds from the front, but the sides could not even withstand heavy machine gun fire. An appliqué armour package was developed to increase protection at the choice of the user.
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 === [[wt:en/news/5149-development-amx-13-ss-11-en|Devblog]] ===
-Initial development of the AMX-13 began after WW2 ended. In 1946, the French army needed a new fighting vehicle to support paratrooper units. This new vehicle needed to be fast and lightweight with a maximum weight of 13 tons. The contract was awarded to the state-owned Atelier de Construction d'Issy-les-Moulineaux (AMX) company, which was located close to Paris. AMX was able to quickly design the new vehicle and build the first prototypes in just 3 years. After successfully blazing through initial trials, AMX started producing the AMX-13 in the early 1950s. Production continued well into the 1980s as the aging AMX-13 was continually modernized, modified, and upgraded. The AMX-13 SS.11 is a modernized version of the AMX-13 developed during the Cold War. By 1962, the AMX-13's standard 75mm cannon had become less effective against the armour of contemporary tanks, some of which had begun using composite armour.
+Initial development of the AMX-13 began after WW2 ended. In 1946, the French army needed a new fighting vehicle to support paratrooper units. This new vehicle needed to be fast and lightweight with a maximum weight of 13 tons. The contract was awarded to the state-owned Atelier de Construction d'Issy-les-Moulineaux (AMX) company, which was located close to Paris. AMX was able to quickly design the new vehicle and build the first prototypes in just 3 years. After successfully blazing through initial trials, AMX started producing the AMX-13 in the early 1950s. Production continued well into the 1980s as the aging AMX-13 was continually modernized, modified, and upgraded. The AMX-13 SS.11 is a modernized version of the AMX-13 developed during the Cold War. By 1962, the AMX-13's standard 75 mm cannon had become less effective against the armour of contemporary tanks, some of which had begun using composite armour.
-In 1962, the French military high command approved modernization work for the AMX-13 to upgrade and increase the AMX-13's firepower. However, while increasing firepower was the primary goal, the French high command didn't want to exceed the AMX-13's weight. This limited options and ruled out major upgrades, so the engineers decided to mount four SS.11 first generation ATGM launchers to the front of the turret. The changes were incremental but achieved the desired effect. Thanks to the ATGMs, the AMX-13 could now effectively engage targets up to 3km away and penetrate up to 600mm of steel armour—something previously impossible for the 75mm cannon alone. The AMX-13 SS.11 joined the ranks of the French army in the 1960s and continued to serve for well over two decades.
+In 1962, the French military high command approved modernization work for the AMX-13 to upgrade and increase the AMX-13's firepower. However, while increasing firepower was the primary goal, the French high command didn't want to exceed the AMX-13's weight. This limited options and ruled out major upgrades, so the engineers decided to mount four SS.11 first generation ATGM launchers to the front of the turret. The changes were incremental but achieved the desired effect. Thanks to the ATGMs, the AMX-13 could now effectively engage targets up to 3 km away and penetrate up to 600 mm of steel armour—something previously impossible for the 75 mm cannon alone. The AMX-13 SS.11 joined the ranks of the French army in the 1960s and continued to serve for well over two decades.
 == Media ==

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 {{About
-|about=premium French light tank '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
+| about = French light tank '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
-|usage=other uses
+| usage = other versions
-|link=AMX-13 (Family)
+| link = AMX-13 (Family)
 }}
 {{Specs-Card
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 == Media ==
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 {{Youtube-gallery|sY_f5S8BuoU|'''Premium Vehicles: AMX-13 (SS.11)''' - ''War Thunder Wiki''|G-sMfeWsEq0|'''The Shooting Range #148''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 04:17 discusses the AMX-13 (SS.11).}}
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