AMX-13 (FL11) - Revision history

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‎General info

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‎Pros and cons

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‎Description

U74396666: New Description Project - France Priority: Tanks - AMX-13/75 FL-11

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New Description Project - France Priority: Tanks - AMX-13/75 FL-11

U121452912: Modified Description to comply with New Description Format

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Modified Description to comply with New Description Format

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U113610237: /* Description */ Battle rating updated

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 | Hull || 40 mm (38-40°) ''Turret base'' <br> 20 mm (66°) ''Upper glacis'' <br> 40 mm (cylindrical) ''Transmission carter'' <br> 20 mm (51°) ''Lower glacis'' || 20 mm (32-34°) ''Turret base'' <br> 20 mm Sides || 20 mm (32-34°) ''Turret base'' <br> 15 mm (1°) ''Top'' <br> 15 mm (44°) ''Bottom'' || 20 mm (24°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 10 mm ''Centre'' <br> 10 mm (5°) ''Rear'' <br> 5 mm ''Vents''
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-| Turret || 40 mm (spherical) ''Turret front'' <br> 60 mm (spherical) ''Gun mantlet'' || colspan="2" style="text-align:center" | 20 mm (cylindrical) || 40 mm (spherical) ''Turret front'' <br> 10 (18°) ''Rear half''
+| Turret || 40 mm (spherical) ''Turret front'' <br> 60 mm (spherical) ''Gun mantlet'' || colspan="2" style="text-align:center" | 20 mm (cylindrical) || 40 mm (spherical) ''Turret front'' <br> 10 mm (18°) ''Rear half''
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 | Cupola || colspan="3" style="text-align:center" | 20 mm (conical) ''Base'' <br> 10 mm (spherical) ''Dome'' || 20 mm (conical) ''Outer ring'' <br> 10 mm (spherical) ''Centre''

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 * Bad elevation and no top-mounted MG makes it vulnerable to aircraft
 * Turret area is filled with ammo
 * Lamps on the hull will stop you from aiming from specific angles

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 '''Cons:'''
-* Light armour
+* Very bad gun handling
 * Long reload time
 * Low velocity cannon: long-range shots are hard to land
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 * Bad elevation and no top-mounted MG makes it vulnerable to aircraft
 * Turret area is filled with ammo
 == History ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''AMX-13/75 FL-11''' is the first subvariant of the [[AMX-13|AMX-13/75 FL-10]], which is the first variant of the [[AMX-13 (Family)|AMX-13 light tank family]]. France had been fighting in the First Indochina War for six years by February 1952. Jean Letourneau, French Minister of State for Relations with Associated States, requested that the most advanced light tank, the AMX-13/75 FL-10, be delivered to cavalry units fighting the Viet Minh. However, the AMX-13/75 FL-10 proved unfit for such warfare. The massive FL-10 turret and its long, high-velocity 75 mm SA 50 L/57 tank gun were simply unsuitable for Vietnam. To meet such demands, it was decided that the AMX-13/75 FL-10 would need to be modified to be suited for confined environments within the jungle while also being light enough that it could be transported by air. This was accomplished by combining the newly designed FL-11 turret, primarily designed for the [[E.B.R. (1951)|Panhard Engin Blindé de Reconnaissance (E.B.R.) Modèle 1951]], with the existing AMX-13/75 FL-10 hull. The new tank is designated AMX-13/75 FL-11. While it was a successful modification that saved 1.5 tonnes of weight, the vehicle would not be mass-built for several reasons, with only a total of 5 units produced.
+The '''AMX-13/75 FL-11''' is the first subvariant of the [[AMX-13|AMX-13/75 FL-10]], which is the first variant of the [[AMX-13 (Family)|AMX-13 light tank family]]. France had been fighting in the First Indochina War for six years by February 1952. Jean Letourneau, French Minister of State for Relations with Associated States, requested that the most advanced light tank, the AMX-13/75 FL-10, be delivered to cavalry units fighting the Viet Minh. However, the massive FL-10 turret and its long, high-velocity 75 mm SA 50 L/57 tank gun were simply unsuitable for Vietnam. To meet such demands, it was decided that the AMX-13/75 FL-10 would need to be modified to be suited for confined environments within the jungle while also being light enough that it could be transported by air. This was accomplished by equipping the AMX-13/75 FL-10 hull with the new FL-11 turret, primarily designed for the [[E.B.R. (1951)|Panhard Engin Blindé de Reconnaissance (E.B.R.) Modèle 1951]]; it was smaller and lighter, and had a shorter gun that was more suited to the dense jungle environment, being able to more effectively use its high-explosive shell to provide infantry support. The new tank was designated AMX-13/75 FL-11. While it was a successful modification that saved 1.5 tonnes of weight, the vehicle still had to be completely disassembled to be air-transported, and the eventual end of the war meant that the tank would never enter mass-production. The initial batch of 5 units was ultimately sold to Morocco.
 Introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]], the AMX-13/75 FL-11, like other light tanks, excels as a flanker and scout due to its extremely thin armour. The sloped upper glacis plate and turret front may deflect some rounds from weaker enemy tanks, but everything else will easily penetrate the AMX-13/75 FL-11 armour. Frontal assaults against the adversary should not be carried out with the AMX-13/75 FL-11. Furthermore, due to its sluggish reverse speed, it is difficult to return to cover after being detected; therefore, vigilant awareness of the surroundings is required in combat.

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-A modification of France's more famous tanks, the AMX-13 (FL11) was a French attempt to adapt the AMX-13 for the unique conditions of the First Indo-China war, where its heavier armed brother, the FL10, could not operate. The original AMX-13 had a large turret and a long gun that were not suitable for jungle warfare or air transport. The FL11 turret, which was designed for a reconnaissance vehicle, was smaller and lighter, and had a shorter gun that was ultimately more suited to the dense jungle environment, being able to more effectively use its High Explosive shell to provide infantry support. The FL11 turret was mounted on the AMX hull, creating a new version of the tank that weighed 1.5 tonnes (1.6 tons) less than the original. However, this version did not enter large scale production, thanks to the tank still being far too heavy to carry via air, as well as the eventual end of the war. Ultimately, the French sold their initial batch of 5 tanks to the Moroccans, where they may have fought in the 'Sand war' against Algeria.
+The '''AMX-13/75 FL-11''' is the first subvariant of the [[AMX-13|AMX-13/75 FL-10]], which is the first variant of the [[AMX-13 (Family)|AMX-13 light tank family]]. France had been fighting in the First Indochina War for six years by February 1952. Jean Letourneau, French Minister of State for Relations with Associated States, requested that the most advanced light tank, the AMX-13/75 FL-10, be delivered to cavalry units fighting the Viet Minh. However, the AMX-13/75 FL-10 proved unfit for such warfare. The massive FL-10 turret and its long, high-velocity 75 mm SA 50 L/57 tank gun were simply unsuitable for Vietnam. To meet such demands, it was decided that the AMX-13/75 FL-10 would need to be modified to be suited for confined environments within the jungle while also being light enough that it could be transported by air. This was accomplished by combining the newly designed FL-11 turret, primarily designed for the [[E.B.R. (1951)|Panhard Engin Blindé de Reconnaissance (E.B.R.) Modèle 1951]], with the existing AMX-13/75 FL-10 hull. The new tank is designated AMX-13/75 FL-11. While it was a successful modification that saved 1.5 tonnes of weight, the vehicle would not be mass-built for several reasons, with only a total of 5 units produced.
-The AMX-13 (FL11) is the first tank with the distinctive oscillating French turret design, combining it with a low, sleek-profiled chassis - almost identical to the AMX-13, save for a few small details (e.g. exhaust). The FL11 has a smaller, shorter gun featuring lower penetration with a double muzzle break, on a smaller turret that doesn't have the large rear counter-weight/storage and the canvas over the turret joint found on later models.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]], the AMX-13/75 FL-11, like other light tanks, excels as a flanker and scout due to its extremely thin armour. The sloped upper glacis plate and turret front may deflect some rounds from weaker enemy tanks, but everything else will easily penetrate the AMX-13/75 FL-11 armour. Frontal assaults against the adversary should not be carried out with the AMX-13/75 FL-11. Furthermore, due to its sluggish reverse speed, it is difficult to return to cover after being detected; therefore, vigilant awareness of the surroundings is required in combat.
 == General info ==

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 ==== Ammunition ====
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+{{:SA49 (75 mm)/Ammunition|M72 shot, M48 shell, M61 shot, M89}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_amx_13_fl_11 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 ;Videos
-{{Youtube-gallery|G-sMfeWsEq0|'''The Shooting Range #148''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 03:38 discusses the {{PAGENAME}}.|bADMYdZae2A|'''{{PAGENAME}} Tank Review''' - ''NUSensei''|uhgodizubC4|'''The Shooting Range #77''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 05:19 discusses the AMX-13.}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|G-sMfeWsEq0|'''The Shooting Range #148''' - ''Metal Beasts'' section at 03:38 discusses the {{PAGENAME}}.|uhgodizubC4|'''The Shooting Range #77''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 05:19 discusses the AMX-13.}}
 == See also ==

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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French light tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]]. It is the first of many iterations of the famous AMX-13. Although this version lacks the punch of its successors, it certainly offers a good foresight of what this light chassis can do.
-The AMX-13 (FL11) is the first tank with the distinctive oscillating French turret design, combining it with a low, sleek-profiled chassis - almost identical to 6.7 AMX-13, save for a few small details (e.g. exhaust). The FL11 has a smaller, shorter gun with a double muzzle-break, on a smaller turret that doesn't have the large rear counter-weight/storage and the canvas over the turret joint found on later models.
+The AMX-13 (FL11) is the first tank with the distinctive oscillating French turret design, combining it with a low, sleek-profiled chassis - almost identical to the AMX-13, save for a few small details (e.g. exhaust). The FL11 has a smaller, shorter gun with a double muzzle break, on a smaller turret that doesn't have the large rear counter-weight/storage and the canvas over the turret joint found on later models.
 == General info ==
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 |-
 |}
-Note:
+'''Note''':
 * Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
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 * Light armour
-* Long reload
+* Long reload time
 * Low velocity cannon: long-range shots are hard to land
 * Unstable cannon pitch up when firing, makes it difficult to stay on target
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 * Bad reverse
 * Bad elevation and no top-mounted MG makes it vulnerable to aircraft
-* Turret area is filled with ammo and fuel.
+* Turret area is filled with ammo
 == History ==

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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French light tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]]. It is the first of many iterations of the famous AMX-13. Although this version lacks the punch of its successors, it certainly offers a good foresight of what this light chassis can do.
-The AMX-13 (FL11) is the first tank with the distinctive oscillating French turret design, combining it with a low, sleek-profiled chassis - almost identical to 6.0 AMX-13, save for a few small details (e.g. exhaust). The FL11 has a smaller, shorter gun with a double muzzle-break, on a smaller turret that doesn't have the large rear counter-weight/storage and the canvas over the turret joint found on later models.
+The AMX-13 (FL11) is the first tank with the distinctive oscillating French turret design, combining it with a low, sleek-profiled chassis - almost identical to 6.7 AMX-13, save for a few small details (e.g. exhaust). The FL11 has a smaller, shorter gun with a double muzzle-break, on a smaller turret that doesn't have the large rear counter-weight/storage and the canvas over the turret joint found on later models.
 == General info ==
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 '''Armour type:'''
 * Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, turret roof - rear, cupola roof)
 * Cast homogeneous armour (turret base, turret, gun mantlet, cupola)
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_amx_13_fl_11 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Vehicles equipped with the same chassis
 * [[AMX-13 (Family)]]
 ;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role
 * [[M24 (Family)]]