AMX-13-M24 - Revision history

U41531792: /* Mobility */

2024-05-21T06:40:59Z

‎Mobility

U38088265: /* Description */

2023-10-18T10:27:05Z

‎Description

U74396666: New Description Project - France Priority: Tanks - AMX-13-U.S.

2023-10-17T08:50:05Z

New Description Project - France Priority: Tanks - AMX-13-U.S.

U38088265: /* Main armament */

2023-02-21T21:15:01Z

‎Main armament

U44629479: /* Ammunition */ Converted to transclusion

2023-01-23T23:12:38Z

‎Ammunition: Converted to transclusion

U44629479: /* Ammo racks */ Updated section

2022-10-25T21:44:22Z

‎Ammo racks: Updated section

U38088265: /* Machine guns */

2022-08-21T16:41:26Z

‎Machine guns

U44629479: Edits

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Edits

U76097729: /* Pros and cons */ Updated Pro's to include updated Gun Stabilizer. Removed "No Gun Stabilizer" from Con's

2022-06-29T09:29:05Z

‎Pros and cons: Updated Pro's to include updated Gun Stabilizer. Removed "No Gun Stabilizer" from Con's

U38088265: /* Main armament */ Updated

2022-05-25T18:33:51Z

‎Main armament: Updated

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 {{tankMobility|abMinHp=418|rbMinHp=239}}
-This tank utilises an AMX-13 chassis with a 270 HP engine. At 17.4 hp/ton, the AMX-13-M24 has decent mobility, which will alllow it to get to best spots. While not one of the fastest light tanks in the game, the AMX-13 chassis, if driven correctly, will allow the player to survive long enough to see the end of battle.
+This tank utilises an AMX-13 chassis with a 270 HP engine. At 19.4 hp/ton, the AMX-13-M24 has decent mobility, which will alllow it to get to best spots. While not one of the fastest light tanks in the game, the AMX-13 chassis, if driven correctly, will allow the player to survive long enough to see the end of battle.
 === Modifications and economy ===

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''AMX-13-U.S.''' is the second subvariant of the [[AMX-13 (FL11)|AMX-13/75 FL-10]], which is the first variant of the [[AMX-13 (Family)|AMX-13 light tank family]]. In 1956, the French Army and the Direction des Etudes et Fabrications d'Armements were looking into cost-effective ways to modernize their fleet of aged M24 Chaffee light tanks. One approach was to combine the French [[AMX-13|AMX-13/75 FL-10]] light tanks with the U.S. [[M24|M24 Chaffee]] light tanks. While the official name of this subvariant of the AMX-13/75 FL-10 is AMX-US, it is also known by several unofficial names, including AMX-13 Chaffee, as it was known by troops, and AMX-13 Avec Tourelle Chaffee, which is often seen in some resources. There were only a few of these vehicles built. They first served in French military units tasked with policing colonies like Algeria. When they were no longer needed on the front lines, they were converted into driver-training vehicles.
+The '''AMX-13-US''' is the second subvariant of the [[AMX-13 (FL11)|AMX-13/75 FL-10]], which is the first variant of the [[AMX-13 (Family)|AMX-13 light tank family]]. In 1956, the French Army and the Direction des Etudes et Fabrications d'Armements were looking into cost-effective ways to modernize their fleet of aged M24 Chaffee light tanks. One approach was to combine the hull of the French [[AMX-13|AMX-13/75 FL-10]] light tank with the turret of the American [[M24|M24 Chaffee]]. While the official name of this subvariant of the AMX-13/75 FL-10 is AMX-US, it is also known by several unofficial names, including AMX-13 Chaffee, as it was known by troops, and AMX-13 Avec Tourelle Chaffee, which is often seen in some resources. There were only a few of these vehicles built. They first served in French military units tasked with policing colonies like Algeria. When they were no longer needed on the front lines, they were converted into driver-training vehicles.
 Introduced in [[Update "Starfighters"]], the AMX-13-US is a light tank that performs similarly to the AMX-13/75 FL-11. It does, however, have a roof-mounted 12.7 mm M2HB Browning heavy machine gun, which will come in handy in some situations against enemy aircraft and lightly armoured vehicles. Use your superior mobility to ambush choke points and crossroads and, if necessary, capture the zones. Always scout opponents for your allies and avoid engaging multiple enemies at the same time.

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium rank {{Specs|rank}} French light tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update "Starfighters"]].
+The '''AMX-13-U.S.''' is the second subvariant of the [[AMX-13 (FL11)|AMX-13/75 FL-10]], which is the first variant of the [[AMX-13 (Family)|AMX-13 light tank family]]. In 1956, the French Army and the Direction des Etudes et Fabrications d'Armements were looking into cost-effective ways to modernize their fleet of aged M24 Chaffee light tanks. One approach was to combine the French [[AMX-13|AMX-13/75 FL-10]] light tanks with the U.S. [[M24|M24 Chaffee]] light tanks. While the official name of this subvariant of the AMX-13/75 FL-10 is AMX-US, it is also known by several unofficial names, including AMX-13 Chaffee, as it was known by troops, and AMX-13 Avec Tourelle Chaffee, which is often seen in some resources. There were only a few of these vehicles built. They first served in French military units tasked with policing colonies like Algeria. When they were no longer needed on the front lines, they were converted into driver-training vehicles.
-This tank is a child of two different tank families fused together. It takes an [[M24]] Chaffee turret and the hull from the [[AMX-13]]. This one of the more unique french premium vehicles, following the [[M4A1 (FL10)]] style of mixing almost two different periods of design into one neat package. Since this tank mounts a turret from the M24 Chaffee, it wields the powerful [[M6 (75 mm)|75 mm M6]] gun that can dispatch most anything around its BR. The AMX-13 hull provides this tank with decent mobility since this is a light tank, but likewise a player shouldn't expect to bounce shots heading your way, though it can provide protection against some high-calibre machine gun or autocannon fire if angled well.
+Introduced in [[Update "Starfighters"]], the AMX-13-US is a light tank that performs similarly to the AMX-13/75 FL-11. It does, however, have a roof-mounted 12.7 mm M2HB Browning heavy machine gun, which will come in handy in some situations against enemy aircraft and lightly armoured vehicles. Use your superior mobility to ambush choke points and crossroads and, if necessary, capture the zones. Always scout opponents for your allies and avoid engaging multiple enemies at the same time.
 == General info ==

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 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 37 || rowspan="2" | -8°/+15° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | {{Annotation|Vertical|up to 24 km/h}} || 28.6 || 39.5 || 48.0 || 53.1 || 56.5 || rowspan="2" | 8.45 || rowspan="2" | 7.47 || rowspan="2" | 6.89 || rowspan="2" | 6.50
+| rowspan="2" | 48 || rowspan="2" | -8°/+15° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | {{Annotation|Vertical|up to 24 km/h}} || 28.6 || 39.5 || 48.0 || 53.1 || 56.5 || rowspan="2" | 8.45 || rowspan="2" | 7.47 || rowspan="2" | 6.89 || rowspan="2" | 6.50
 |-
 ! ''Realistic''
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 ! Visual<br>discrepancy
 |-
-| '''37''' || 29&nbsp;''(+19)'' || 15&nbsp;''(+33)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+47)'' || No
+| '''48''' || 29&nbsp;''(+19)'' || 15&nbsp;''(+33)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+47)'' || No
 |-
 |}
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 ! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
 |-
-| Coaxial || 2,000 (250) || 500 || N/A || N/A
+| Coaxial || 2,000 (250) || 500 || - || -
 |-
 |}
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 * M61 APCBC shell with explosive filler can easily knock out enemy vehicles with a single shot
 * Fast turret traverse allows it to track targets easily
-* Pintle-mounted 0.50 cal MG allows for air defense and some anti-tank ability (e.g. Marder III, Sd.Kfz.234 series, Breda 501, etc.)
+* Pintle-mounted .50 cal MG allows for air defense and some anti-tank ability (e.g. Marder III, Sd.Kfz.234 series, Breda 501, etc.)
 * Scouting ability
 * Gun stabilizer

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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:M6 (75 mm)/Ammunition|M72 shot, M48 shell, M61 shot, M64}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
 [[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
-<!-- '''Last updated: 1.101.0.75''' -->
+<!-- '''Last updated: 2.19.0.85''' -->
 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
 |-
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 ! Visual<br>discrepancy
 |-
-| '''37''' || 25&nbsp;''(+12)'' || 13&nbsp;''(+24)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+36)'' || No
+| '''37''' || 29&nbsp;''(+19)'' || 15&nbsp;''(+33)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+47)'' || No
 |-
 |}
-Notes:
+'''Notes''':
 * Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
 === Machine guns ===

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 '''Enemies worth noting:'''
-[[M4A2]]/[[M4A4 (1st PTG)|A4]]: these Sherman tanks are widely used by over 3 nations that spread across both the Allied and the Axis side, so no matter which nation you play they can be quite tough to destroy in the hands of a skilled tanker. Given the rather weak penetration of your short 75mm gun, their hull can be almost impossible to penetrate when angled, hull down or 300 m away. For a M4A4, there are 2 apparent bulges on the upper front plate, a penetration through there is a guaranteed kill most of the times. But in case the opponent covers them up or when it's an M4A2, aim for the middle parts of the gun mantlet or the turret armour unprotected by the mantlet, you can at least make them defenseless.
+[[M4A2]]/[[M4A4 (1st PTG)|A4]]: these Sherman tanks are widely used by over 3 nations that spread across both the Allied and the Axis side, so no matter which nation you play they can be quite tough to destroy in the hands of a skilled tanker. Given the rather weak penetration of your short 75 mm gun, their hull can be almost impossible to penetrate when angled, hull down or 300 m away. For a M4A4, there are 2 apparent bulges on the upper front plate, a penetration through there is a guaranteed kill most of the times. But in case the opponent covers them up or when it's an M4A2, aim for the middle parts of the gun mantlet or the turret armour unprotected by the mantlet, you can at least make them defenseless.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 '''Pros:'''
-* Good mobility: high top speed, good turning and climbing ability.
+* Good mobility: high top speed, good turning and climbing ability
-* Equipped with smoke launchers (14 individual smoke grenades).
+* Equipped with smoke launchers (14 individual smoke grenades)
-* Engine in the front protects the crew in head-on engagements.
+* Engine in the front protects the crew in head-on engagements
-* Uses the same gun as the M24 tanks: various shell types and good penetration.
+* Uses the same gun as the M24 tanks: various shell types and good penetration
-* Excellent gun depression allows for shooting from behind ridges.
+* Excellent gun depression allows for shooting from behind ridges
-* M61 APCBC shell with explosive filler can easily knock out enemy vehicles with a single shot.
+* M61 APCBC shell with explosive filler can easily knock out enemy vehicles with a single shot
-* Fast turret traverse allows it to track targets easily.
+* Fast turret traverse allows it to track targets easily
-* Pintle-mounted 0.50 cal MG allows for air defense and some anti-tank ability (eg. Marder III, Sd.Kfz.234 series, Breda 501, etc).
+* Pintle-mounted 0.50 cal MG allows for air defense and some anti-tank ability (e.g. Marder III, Sd.Kfz.234 series, Breda 501, etc.)
 * Scouting ability
-* Gun Stabilizer
+* Gun stabilizer
 '''Cons:'''
-* Light armour overall with a prominent weak spot: the base of the turret.
+* Light armour overall with a prominent weak spot: the base of the turret
-* Unstable cannon pitch due to tall turret layout and bouncy hull.
+* Unstable cannon pitch due to tall turret layout and bouncy hull
-** After firing, it is difficult to stay on target with the recoil.
+** After firing, it is difficult to stay on target with the recoil
-** After braking, Acquiring targets is slow as the hull rocks back and forth for a short while.
+** After braking, Acquiring targets is slow as the hull rocks back and forth for a short while
-* Tall silhouette.
+* Tall silhouette
-* Poor reverse speed.
+* Poor reverse speed
-* Shells drop dramatically at long distances, making distant and moving targets hard to shoot at.
+* Shells drop dramatically at long distances, making distant and moving targets hard to shoot at
-* Reload time is pretty slow for a light tank.
+* Reload time is pretty slow for a light tank
-* Low ammo count can be a problem in long games or RB/SB matches but not so low that ammo rack detonations are rare.
+* Low ammo count can be a problem in long games or RB/SB matches but not so low that ammo rack detonations are rare
 == History ==

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 '''Armour type:'''
 * Rolled homogeneous armour (hull, turret base, turret roof)
 * Cast homogeneous armour (turret, gun mantlet, cupola)
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 * Pintle-mounted 0.50 cal MG allows for air defense and some anti-tank ability (eg. Marder III, Sd.Kfz.234 series, Breda 501, etc).
 * Scouting ability
 '''Cons:'''
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 * Tall silhouette.
 * Poor reverse speed.
 * Shells drop dramatically at long distances, making distant and moving targets hard to shoot at.
 * Reload time is pretty slow for a light tank.
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_amx_13_chaffee Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Vehicles equipped with the same chassis
 * [[AMX-13 (Family)]]
 ;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role
 * [[M24 (Family)]]
 * [[BT-7 (F-32)]]

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 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 37 || rowspan="2" | -10°/+15° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 28.6 || 39.5 || 48.0 || 53.1 || 56.5 || rowspan="2" | 8.45 || rowspan="2" | 7.47 || rowspan="2" | 6.89 || rowspan="2" | 6.50
+| rowspan="2" | 37 || rowspan="2" | -8°/+15° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | {{Annotation|Vertical|up to 24 km/h}} || 28.6 || 39.5 || 48.0 || 53.1 || 56.5 || rowspan="2" | 8.45 || rowspan="2" | 7.47 || rowspan="2" | 6.89 || rowspan="2" | 6.50
 |-
 ! ''Realistic''
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 ! rowspan="2" data-sort-type="text" | Ammunition
 ! rowspan="2" | Type of<br>warhead
-! colspan="6" | '''Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)'''
+! colspan="6" | Penetration @ 0° Angle of Attack (mm)
 |-
 ! 10 m !! 100 m !! 500 m !! 1,000 m !! 1,500 m !! 2,000 m
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 | M72 shot || AP || 619 || 6.3 || N/A || N/A || N/A || 47° || 60° || 65°
 |-
-| M48 shell || HE || 463 || 6.3 || 0.0 || 0.1 || 666 || 79° || 80° || 81°
+| M48 shell || HE || 463 || 6.3 || 0 || 0.1 || 666 || 79° || 80° || 81°
 |-
 | M61 shot || APCBC || 618 || 6.79 || 1.2 || 14 || 63.7 || 48° || 63° || 71°
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 '''Enemies worth noting:'''
-[[M4A2]] / [[M4A4 (1st PTG)|A4]]: these Sherman tanks are widely used by over 3 nations that spread across both the Allied and the Axis side, so no matter which nation you play they can be quite tough to destroy in the hands of a skilled tanker. Given the rather weak penetration of your short 75mm gun, their hull can be almost impossible to penetrate when angled, hull down or 300m away. For a M4A4, there are 2 apparent bulges on the upper front plate, a penetration through there is a guaranteed kill most of the times. But in case the opponent covers them up or when it's a M4A2, aim for the middle parts of the gun mantlet or the turret armor unprotected by the mantlet, you can at least make them defenseless.
+[[M4A2]]/[[M4A4 (1st PTG)|A4]]: these Sherman tanks are widely used by over 3 nations that spread across both the Allied and the Axis side, so no matter which nation you play they can be quite tough to destroy in the hands of a skilled tanker. Given the rather weak penetration of your short 75mm gun, their hull can be almost impossible to penetrate when angled, hull down or 300 m away. For a M4A4, there are 2 apparent bulges on the upper front plate, a penetration through there is a guaranteed kill most of the times. But in case the opponent covers them up or when it's an M4A2, aim for the middle parts of the gun mantlet or the turret armour unprotected by the mantlet, you can at least make them defenseless.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 '''Cons:'''
-* Light armour overall with a prominent weak spot: the base of the turrret.
+* Light armour overall with a prominent weak spot: the base of the turret.
 * Unstable cannon pitch due to tall turret layout and bouncy hull.
 ** After firing, it is difficult to stay on target with the recoil.