AMX-13-90 - Revision history

U137275702: Removed incorrect info about lacking an autoloader

2024-08-20T07:57:12Z

Removed incorrect info about lacking an autoloader

U103691029: /* Main armament */ Autoloader

2024-04-17T02:39:00Z

‎Main armament: Autoloader

U38088265: /* Description */

2023-10-18T10:22:48Z

‎Description

U74396666: New Description Project - France Priority: Tanks - AMX-13/90 C90

2023-10-17T09:11:07Z

New Description Project - France Priority: Tanks - AMX-13/90 C90

U38088265: /* Usage in battles */

2023-08-30T10:04:24Z

‎Usage in battles

U31139476 at 21:07, 27 July 2023

2023-07-27T21:07:11Z

U138235487: adding pros and cons and adding usage in battle

2023-07-26T06:51:11Z

adding pros and cons and adding usage in battle

U44629479: Edits

2023-01-24T23:34:01Z

Edits

U44629479: /* Ammunition */ Converted to transclusion

2023-01-24T23:32:01Z

‎Ammunition: Converted to transclusion

U38088265: /* Ammo racks */

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‎Ammo racks

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 The '''AMX-13/90 C90''' is the second variant of the [[AMX-13 (Family)|AMX-13 light tank family]]. The AMX-13/90 C90 uses a bigger, low-pressure 90 mm CN 90 F2 tank gun, similar to how the [[E.B.R. (1951)|Panhard Engin Blindé de Reconnaissance (E.B.R.) Modèle 1951]] was modified to become the [[E.B.R. (1963)|Modèle 1963 Revalorisé]]. It was designed to compensate for the French Army's lack of anti-tank capabilities at the time.
-Introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]], the AMX-13/90 C90 is an excellent scout and flanking vehicle due to its good speed and excellent handling. Due to the low muzzle velocity and lack of an autoloader, the AMX-13/90 C90 is difficult to operate at range. To perform successfully on this vehicle, you must target weak points, ammunition racks, and crew members while maintaining an active awareness of your surroundings and excellent map knowledge. Finally, as aircraft weapons advance, threats from hostile aircraft become more common; thus, strafing from enemy aircraft will commonly result in vehicle damage or annihilation. The AMX-13 is inappropriate for close combat and should only be used in open spaces due to the lack of a stabilizer. With its fast reload, you may easily dispatch a large number of enemies.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]], the AMX-13/90 C90 is an excellent scout and flanking vehicle due to its good speed and excellent handling. The AMX-13/90 C90 is slightly difficult to operate at range, with the OCC 60-62 round only having a muzzle velocity of 950m/s. To perform successfully on this vehicle, you must target weak points, ammunition racks, and crew members while maintaining an active awareness of your surroundings and excellent map knowledge. Finally, as aircraft weapons advance, threats from hostile aircraft become more common; thus, strafing from enemy aircraft will commonly result in vehicle damage or annihilation. The AMX-13 is inappropriate for close combat and should only be used in open spaces due to the lack of a stabilizer. With its fast reload, you may easily dispatch a large number of enemies.
 == General info ==

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-! colspan="5" | [[CN90 F3 (90 mm)|90 mm CN90 F3]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
+! colspan="5" | [[CN90 F3 (90 mm)|90 mm CN90 F3]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || Reloading rate (seconds)
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 ! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
 ! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
-! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
+!Autoloader
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 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 34 || rowspan="2" | -6°/+13° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 28.6 || 39.5 || 48.0 || 53.1 || 56.5 || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00
+| rowspan="2" | 34 || rowspan="2" | -6°/+13° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 28.6 || 39.5 || 48.0 || 53.1 || 56.5 || rowspan="2" | 5.00
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 ! ''Realistic''

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''AMX-13/90 C90''' is the second variant of the [[AMX-13 (Family)|AMX-13 light tank family]]. The AMX-13/90 C90 uses a bigger, low-pressure 90 mm CN 90 F2 tank gun, similar to how the [[E.B.R. (1951)|Panhard Engin Blindé de Reconnaissance (E.B.R.) Modèle 1951]] has been modified to the [[E.B.R. (1963)|Panhard Engin Blindé de Reconnaissance (E.B.R.) Modèle 1963]] Revalorisé. It was designed to compensate for the French Army's lack of anti-tank capabilities at the time.
+The '''AMX-13/90 C90''' is the second variant of the [[AMX-13 (Family)|AMX-13 light tank family]]. The AMX-13/90 C90 uses a bigger, low-pressure 90 mm CN 90 F2 tank gun, similar to how the [[E.B.R. (1951)|Panhard Engin Blindé de Reconnaissance (E.B.R.) Modèle 1951]] was modified to become the [[E.B.R. (1963)|Modèle 1963 Revalorisé]]. It was designed to compensate for the French Army's lack of anti-tank capabilities at the time.
-Introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]], the AMX-13/90 C90 is an excellent scout and flanking vehicle due to its good speed and excellent handling. Due to the low muzzle velocity and lack of an autoloader, the AMX-13/90 C90 is difficult to operate at range. To perform successfully on this vehicle, you must target weak points, ammunition racks, and crew members while maintaining an active awareness of your surroundings and excellent map knowledge. Finally, as aircraft weapons advance, threats from hostile aircraft become more common; thus, strafing from enemy aircraft will commonly result in vehicle damage or annihilation. It is inappropriate for close combat and should only be used in open spaces due to the lack of a stabilizer. With its fast reload, you may easily dispatch a large number of enemies.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]], the AMX-13/90 C90 is an excellent scout and flanking vehicle due to its good speed and excellent handling. Due to the low muzzle velocity and lack of an autoloader, the AMX-13/90 C90 is difficult to operate at range. To perform successfully on this vehicle, you must target weak points, ammunition racks, and crew members while maintaining an active awareness of your surroundings and excellent map knowledge. Finally, as aircraft weapons advance, threats from hostile aircraft become more common; thus, strafing from enemy aircraft will commonly result in vehicle damage or annihilation. The AMX-13 is inappropriate for close combat and should only be used in open spaces due to the lack of a stabilizer. With its fast reload, you may easily dispatch a large number of enemies.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French light tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]].
+The '''AMX-13/90 C90''' is the second variant of the [[AMX-13 (Family)|AMX-13 light tank family]]. The AMX-13/90 C90 uses a bigger, low-pressure 90 mm CN 90 F2 tank gun, similar to how the [[E.B.R. (1951)|Panhard Engin Blindé de Reconnaissance (E.B.R.) Modèle 1951]] has been modified to the [[E.B.R. (1963)|Panhard Engin Blindé de Reconnaissance (E.B.R.) Modèle 1963]] Revalorisé. It was designed to compensate for the French Army's lack of anti-tank capabilities at the time.
-The AMX-13-90 is a light tank, and a good one if you keep on scouting. Its low profile and good mobility are your best allies if you want to make good use of its 90 mm HEATFS shells, especially with its autoloader. Always flank, scout as much as possible and only shoot when you're sure no one is waiting for you to come out of your hiding. Most cannons above 20 mm will penetrate and destroy this very fragile vehicle and its small crew, so do your best to avoid being shot at.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]], the AMX-13/90 C90 is an excellent scout and flanking vehicle due to its good speed and excellent handling. Due to the low muzzle velocity and lack of an autoloader, the AMX-13/90 C90 is difficult to operate at range. To perform successfully on this vehicle, you must target weak points, ammunition racks, and crew members while maintaining an active awareness of your surroundings and excellent map knowledge. Finally, as aircraft weapons advance, threats from hostile aircraft become more common; thus, strafing from enemy aircraft will commonly result in vehicle damage or annihilation. It is inappropriate for close combat and should only be used in open spaces due to the lack of a stabilizer. With its fast reload, you may easily dispatch a large number of enemies.
 == General info ==

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 == Usage in battles ==
-The AMX-13-90 is a light tank with good firepower. His 90mm cannon equipped with HEAT-FS round is enough to destroy any tank at his br (still be aware of up tier mostly because of the T-55AMD-1 and T-55AM-1 who have composite armour). The lack of stabilizer makes it bad for close and urban engagement, it should be used in open areas like in Eastern Europe or Poland for example. With its fast reload you can snipe multiple enemies easily. Be aware of the bad post-penetration damage on heavier tanks you should aim for the turret, no heavy machine gun can pen you.
+<!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
 === Pros and cons ===

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 == Usage in battles ==
-The AMX-13-90 is a light tank with good firepower . His 90mm canon equipped with HEATFS round is enought to destroy any tank at his br (still be aware of uptier mosly because of the T-55AMD-1 and T-55AM-1 who have composite armor). The lack of stabilizer make it bad for close and urban ingagements , it should be used in open area like in Eastern Europe or Poland for example . With it's fast reload you can snipe multiple enemies easily . Be aware of the bad post-penetration damage on heavier tanks you should aim for the turret , no heavy machine gun can pen you .
+The AMX-13-90 is a light tank with good firepower. His 90mm cannon equipped with HEAT-FS round is enough to destroy any tank at his br (still be aware of up tier mostly because of the T-55AMD-1 and T-55AM-1 who have composite armour). The lack of stabilizer makes it bad for close and urban engagement, it should be used in open areas like in Eastern Europe or Poland for example. With its fast reload you can snipe multiple enemies easily. Be aware of the bad post-penetration damage on heavier tanks you should aim for the turret, no heavy machine gun can pen you.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * Has HEATFS with 320 mm of penetration
 * Small profile
 * Great top speed
 * Great acceleration
 * Has a fast 5s reload time
-* Immune to .50 cal
+* The engine and transmission can absorb some rounds giving you the time to fight back
 '''Cons:'''
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 * HEATFS ammunition has poor post-penetration damage
 * Lacks armour
-* With the ocilating turret the lack of stabilzer came with it
+* With the oscillating turret, the lack of stabilizer came with it
-* Hights antennas ruining the stealthy approach
+* Hights antennas ruin the stealthy approach
 * Slow reverse speed

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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French light tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]].
-The AMX-13-90 is a light tank, and a good one if you keep on scouting. Its low profile and good mobility are your best allies if you want to make good use of its 90 mm HEAT-FS shells, especially with its autoloader. Always flank, scout as much as possible and only shoot when you're sure no one is waiting for you to come out of your hiding. Most cannons above 20 mm will penetrate and destroy this very fragile vehicle and its small crew, so do your best to avoid being shot at.
+The AMX-13-90 is a light tank, and a good one if you keep on scouting. Its low profile and good mobility are your best allies if you want to make good use of its 90 mm HEATFS shells, especially with its autoloader. Always flank, scout as much as possible and only shoot when you're sure no one is waiting for you to come out of your hiding. Most cannons above 20 mm will penetrate and destroy this very fragile vehicle and its small crew, so do your best to avoid being shot at.
 == General info ==
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 | Hull || 20 mm (67°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 20-40 mm (5-50°) ''Lower glacis'' || 20 mm || 15 mm ''Top'' <br> 15 mm (45°) ''Bottom'' || 10 mm <br> 5 mm ''Engine grille''
 |-
-| Turret || 40 mm (32-45°) ''Turret front'' <br> 40 mm (12-41°) ''Turret base'' <br> 40 mm (15-75°) ''Barrel shroud'' || 20 mm (0-30°) ''Turret'' <br> 20 mm (12-14°) ''Turret base'' || 20 mm ''Turret bustle'' <br> 20 mm (17-22°) ''Pivot ball'' <br> 10 mm (77-90°) ''Turret underside''  || 10 mm
+| Turret || 40 mm (32-45°) ''Turret front'' <br> 40 mm (12-41°) ''Turret base'' <br> 40 mm (15-75°) ''Barrel shroud'' || 20 mm (0-30°) ''Turret'' <br> 20 mm (12-14°) ''Turret base'' || 20 mm ''Turret bustle'' <br> 20 mm (17-22°) ''Pivot ball'' <br> 10 mm (77-90°) ''Turret underside'' || 10 mm
 |-
-! Armour !! Sides !! Roof
+| Cupola || 20 mm || 20 mm || 20 mm || 10 mm
 |-
 |}
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 '''Pros:'''
-* Has HEAT-FS
+* Has HEATFS
 * Small profile
 * Good mobility
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 '''Cons:'''
-* HEAT-FS ammunition has poor post-penetration damage
+* HEATFS ammunition has poor post-penetration damage
 * Lacks armour
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 The AMX-13-90 was an up-gunned version of the French AMX-13 light tank. In 1964, a prototype for a modernized AMX-13, called the 2E, introduced a 90 mm gun and also reduced the amount of return rollers from four to three. A second prototype with the 90 mm gun was built, called the 2F, introduced a thermal sleeve and reduced the return rollers to only two.
-The AMX-30 was planned in 1962  to replace the M47 and M48 Patton tanks of the French Army. As such, it was decided to modernize the AMX-13 fleet, as well as to produce new vehicles. The modernization began in 1964, and it included the 90 mm DEFA D921/F1 gun and many vehicles also received SS-11 wire-guided anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) mounted on racks above the gun base.
+The AMX-30 was planned in 1962 to replace the M47 and M48 Patton tanks of the French Army. As such, it was decided to modernize the AMX-13 fleet, as well as to produce new vehicles. The modernization began in 1964, and it included the 90 mm DEFA D921/F1 gun and many vehicles also received SS-11 wire-guided anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) mounted on racks above the gun base.
 '''Design'''
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 '''Service'''
-The French Army received most of the original 75 mm-armed version, with about 3,000 entering service. They were assigned to the regular armored units, which were mostly filled with M47 and M48 Patton medium tanks at the time. AMX-13 squadrons had four tanks, and were split into two sections of one infantry section and one light tank section each, along with an ammunition truck and command vehicle. These squadrons were used for screening and reconnaissance, locating enemy forces and engaging them. After the first section had engaged the enemy and was reloading, the second section engaged the enemy. The process of alternating reloading and firing between the sections allowed the tanks to hold off the enemy until medium tanks arrived.
+The French Army received most of the original 75 mm-armed version, with about 3,000 entering service. They were assigned to the regular armoured units, which were mostly filled with M47 and M48 Patton medium tanks at the time. AMX-13 squadrons had four tanks, and were split into two sections of one infantry section and one light tank section each, along with an ammunition truck and command vehicle. These squadrons were used for screening and reconnaissance, locating enemy forces and engaging them. After the first section had engaged the enemy and was reloading, the second section engaged the enemy. The process of alternating reloading and firing between the sections allowed the tanks to hold off the enemy until medium tanks arrived.
 In the 1960's, the AMX-30 entered service. AMX-13s were used during the decolonization war in Algeria (1954-1962), although they saw little combat due to the lack of opposition and the terrain. After the French AMX-13s were up-gunned with the 90 mm gun, they often saw service in foreign theaters of operation due to their relative inexpensiveness. The AMX-13s were decommissioned and put into reserve starting in 1985.
 === From [[wt:en/news/5285-vehicle-amx-13-90-new-toy-to-play-en|Devblog]]: ===
-During the '50s and '60s, the AMX-13 light tank was considered to have underwhelming firepower when compared to certain other tanks fielded by other nations. To remedy this, several modernization and upgrade efforts were launched which focused primarily on improving the killing potential of the AMX-13. Some AMX-13s were equipped with different types of ATGMs, whilst others, like the AMX-13-90, received a larger caliber cannon with improved ballistic properties. In case of the AMX-13-90, the tank received, as the name already suggests, a 90mm CN 90 F3 cannon, which boasted increased penetrating power and allowed the AMX-13 to engage targets at longer distances too.
+During the '50s and '60s, the AMX-13 light tank was considered to have underwhelming firepower when compared to certain other tanks fielded by other nations. To remedy this, several modernization and upgrade efforts were launched which focused primarily on improving the killing potential of the AMX-13. Some AMX-13s were equipped with different types of ATGMs, whilst others, like the AMX-13-90, received a larger calibre cannon with improved ballistic properties. In case of the AMX-13-90, the tank received, as the name already suggests, a 90 mm CN 90 F3 cannon, which boasted increased penetrating power and allowed the AMX-13 to engage targets at longer distances too.
 == Media ==

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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:CN90 F3 (90 mm)/Ammunition|OCC 60-62, OE 90 F1, OFUM PH90-F2}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====
 [[File:Ammoracks_{{PAGENAME}}.png|right|thumb|x250px|[[Ammo racks]] of the {{PAGENAME}}]]
-<!-- '''Last updated: 1.101.2.67''' -->
+<!-- '''Last updated: 2.17.0.85''' -->
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 ! Visual<br>discrepancy
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-| '''36''' || 32&nbsp;''(+4)'' || 28&nbsp;''(+8)'' || 23&nbsp;''(+13)'' || 18&nbsp;''(+18)'' || 13&nbsp;''(+23)'' || 7&nbsp;''(+29)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+35)'' || Yes
+| '''34''' || 32&nbsp;''(+2)'' || 28&nbsp;''(+6)'' || 23&nbsp;''(+11)'' || 18&nbsp;''(+16)'' || 13&nbsp;''(+21)'' || 7&nbsp;''(+27)'' || 1&nbsp;''(+33)'' || Yes
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 * Shells are modeled individually and disappear after having been shot or loaded.
-* Visual discrepancy concerns rack 5: 3 shells are modeled but it contains 5 shells.
+* Visual discrepancy concerns rack 1 (5 shells are modeled but it contains 3 shells) and rack 5 (3 shells are modeled but it contains 5 shells).
 * Rack 6* and 7* (autoloader magazines) are first stage ammo racks. They total 12 shells.
 * These racks get filled first when loading up the tank and are also emptied first.