AMX-13 - Revision history

U38088265: /* Main armament */

2024-11-16T09:44:49Z

‎Main armament

U44982996: added a bit about poor gun depression

2024-11-12T20:58:58Z

added a bit about poor gun depression

U44982996: /* Pros and cons */

2024-11-10T00:21:07Z

‎Pros and cons

U103691029: /* Main armament */ Autoloader

2024-04-17T02:35:13Z

‎Main armament: Autoloader

U74396666: New Description Project - France Priority: Tanks - AMX-13/75 FL-10

2023-10-17T08:12:43Z

New Description Project - France Priority: Tanks - AMX-13/75 FL-10

U17686967: "kph" has been updated to "km/h, " a correct abbreviation of speed in the metric system.

2023-06-05T18:53:19Z

"kph" has been updated to "km/h, " a correct abbreviation of speed in the metric system.

U44629479: Edits

2023-02-25T22:02:24Z

Edits

U39663486: Seriously, -6° is not a good depression, no matter how you angle your hull. and I change some "pros" for the protection. and 20mm of armor will detonate every APHE that hit. it's 20mm in the weakest part, not 6mm. most fuze are set at 5mm.

2023-02-25T20:01:57Z

Seriously, -6° is not a good depression, no matter how you angle your hull. and I change some "pros" for the protection. and 20mm of armor will detonate every APHE that hit. it's 20mm in the weakest part, not 6mm. most fuze are set at 5mm.

U44629479: Edits

2023-01-31T15:35:04Z

Edits

U44629479: /* Ammunition */ Converted to transclusion

2023-01-20T19:53:20Z

‎Ammunition: Converted to transclusion

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 == Description ==
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-The '''AMX-13/75 FL-10''' is the first variant of the [[AMX-13 (Family)|AMX-13 light tank family]]. The tank was designed in 1946 by the Atelier de Construction d'Issy-les-Moulineaux (AMX) to meet a request for an armoured vehicle that could be air-dropped to support paratroopers. The first prototype went into service in 1948. Torsion bar suspension with five road wheels and two return rollers was used on the compact chassis; the engine is positioned on the right side of the tank, with the driver on the left. It has an unusual two-part FL-10 oscillating turret that contains the main armament and allows the entire upper turret to adjust elevation. The commander and gunner sit in the turret, which is located in the rear of the vehicle. The 75 mm SA 50 L/57 tank gun was autoloaded and fed by two six-round magazines situated in the turret bustle on either side. The crew could engage targets quickly due to the 12 rounds available in the drum magazines; however, once those rounds were expended, the vehicle commander and gunner could either manually refill them from within the turret or retreat to cover and reload shells from outside the vehicle through hatches above. It was exported to over 26 more countries. Over a hundred variants exist, including prototypes and export variants. Many of these variants, such as the self-propelled gun (SPG), self-propelled anti-aircraft (SPAA), armoured personal carrier (APC), and anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) carrier, comprise their own separate families.
+The '''AMX-13/75 FL-10''' is the first variant of the [[AMX-13 (Family)|AMX-13 light tank family]]. The tank was designed in 1946 by the Atelier de Construction d'Issy-les-Moulineaux (AMX) to meet a request for an armoured vehicle that could be air-dropped to support paratroopers. The first prototype went into service in 1948. Torsion bar suspension with five road wheels and two return rollers was used on the compact chassis; the engine is positioned on the right side of the tank, with the driver on the left. It has an unusual two-part FL-10 oscillating turret that contains the main armament and allows the entire upper turret to adjust elevation. The commander and gunner sit in the turret, which is located in the rear of the vehicle. The 75 mm SA 50 L/57 tank gun was autoloaded and fed by two six-round magazines situated in the turret bustle on either side. The crew could engage targets quickly due to the 12 rounds available in the drum magazines; however, once those rounds were expended, the vehicle commander and gunner could either manually refill them from within the turret or retreat to cover and reload shells from outside the vehicle through hatches above. It was exported to over 26 more countries. Over a hundred variants exist, including prototypes and export variants. Many of these variants, such as the self-propelled gun (SPG), self-propelled anti-aircraft (SPAA), armoured personal carrier (APC), and anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) carrier, comprise their own separate families.
-Introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]], the AMX-13/75 FL-10 is a very competitive light tank that can reach strategic positions on the battlefield very quickly. Due to its low profile, it may hide behind various obstacles, preventing opponents from discovering it. The most effective way to employ this tank is to keep it in a hull-down position behind a hill on the map's border; frontal engagements with enemies are not recommended. Its autoloader and high-velocity ammunition allow it to eliminate multiple opponents in a short period of time. Since the shell lacks explosive filler, it is vital to target critical components such as the target's tank gun barrel, gun breech, or ammunition rack. The autoloader and quick turret rotation allow for quick switching between enemy targets during combat, while the smoke grenades allow for a speedy retreat if the situation becomes too perilous.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]], the AMX-13/75 FL-10 is a very competitive light tank that can reach strategic positions on the battlefield very quickly. Due to its low profile, it may hide behind various obstacles, preventing opponents from discovering it. The most effective way to employ this tank is to keep it in a hull-down position behind a hill on the map's border; frontal engagements with enemies are not recommended. Its autoloader and high-velocity ammunition allow it to eliminate multiple opponents in a short period of time. Since the shell lacks explosive filler, it is vital to target critical components such as the target's tank gun barrel, gun breech, or ammunition rack. The autoloader and quick turret rotation allow for quick switching between enemy targets during combat, while the smoke grenades allow for a speedy retreat if the situation becomes too perilous.
 == General info ==
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 {{main|SA50 L/57 (75 mm)}}
-Well-positioned, this gun can make your enemies cry: with the quick-firing rate it is "one-two, goodbye" for any foe caught from the sides/rear. In usual one-on-one engagements, foes usually exchange shots but, with the AMX-13, this is a lie: it can fire ''twice'' before its foe can reload, this can hurt very much. This high rate of fire makes it very efficient at long-distance sniping: it can adjust fire faster than its foes.
+Well-positioned, this gun can make your enemies cry: with the quick fire rate it is "one-two, goodbye" for any foe caught from the sides/rear. In usual one-on-one engagements, foes usually exchange shots but, with the AMX-13, this is a lie: it can fire ''twice'' before its foe can reload, this can hurt very much. This high rate of fire also makes it very efficient at long-distance sniping: it can adjust fire faster than its foes.
-The gun is without a caveat, however. Due to the poor gun depression of just -6 degrees and turret placement towards the rear of the vehicle, the tank will often struggle to get the gun on the target on a hilly terrain or even some incline. In addition, due to oscillating turret design, the gun would rock violently whenever the tank is coming into full stop, which can made shoot-and-scoot difficult to perform.
+The gun is not without caveat, however. Due to the poor gun depression of just -6 degrees and turret placement towards the rear of the vehicle, the tank will often struggle to get the gun on the target on hilly terrain or even small inclines. In addition, due to the oscillating turret design, the gun rocks violently whenever the tank is coming to a full stop, which can make shoot-and-scoot tactics difficult to perform.
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 ! ''Arcade''
 | rowspan="2" | 36 || rowspan="2" | -6°/+13° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 28.6 || 39.5 || 48.0 || 53.1 || 56.5 || rowspan="2" | 5.00
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 ! ''Realistic''
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 '''Cons:'''
 * Overall thin armour, cannot afford taking hits, especially from strafing aircrafts
 * Poor survivability due to having only 3 crewmembers
 * Poor gun depression and turret placement often prevents the tank from firing even on a slight incline
 * Restocking the autoloader is very slow once it has been depleted and it limits severely your combat performance

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 Well-positioned, this gun can make your enemies cry: with the quick-firing rate it is "one-two, goodbye" for any foe caught from the sides/rear. In usual one-on-one engagements, foes usually exchange shots but, with the AMX-13, this is a lie: it can fire ''twice'' before its foe can reload, this can hurt very much. This high rate of fire makes it very efficient at long-distance sniping: it can adjust fire faster than its foes.
-High gun placement and good gun depression angles make this tank very efficient at keeping low behind hills while showing very little of itself. Said shortly, this tank's armament is amazing.
+The gun is without a caveat, however. Due to the poor gun depression of just -6 degrees and turret placement towards the rear of the vehicle, the tank will often struggle to get the gun on the target on a hilly terrain or even some incline. In addition, due to oscillating turret design, the gun would rock violently whenever the tank is coming into full stop, which can made shoot-and-scoot difficult to perform.
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 * Overall thin armour, cannot afford taking hits, especially from strafing aircrafts
 * Poor survivability due to having only 3 crewmembers
 * Extremely bouncy suspension: bad at stop-and-shoot due to oscillating turret design
-* Bad reverse speed for a light tank
+* Mediocre off-road mobility and bad reverse speed for a light tank
 == History ==

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 '''Pros:'''
+* Overall small profile, can be quite hard to hit while moving or at distance
 * Can reach its top speed quite fast
-* Gun performance is comparable to the British [[Ordnance QF 17-pounder (76 mm)|QF 17-pounder]]'s
+* Good firepower for its class, with penetration characteristic similar to the British [[Ordnance QF 17-pounder (76 mm)|QF 17-pounder]]'s
-* Fast turret rotation
+* Good gun handling while stationary, with fast turret traverse speed
 * Short reload time thanks to the 12-round autoloader: 1 shot every 5 seconds, comparable to reload times at low ranks
 '''Cons:'''
+* Overall thin armour, cannot afford taking hits, especially from strafing aircrafts
-* Thin top armour: vulnerable to strafing planes (can be penetrated by .50 cals with ground target belts at typical strafing ranges)
+* Poor survivability due to having only 3 crewmembers
 * Extremely bouncy suspension: bad at stop-and-shoot due to oscillating turret design
 * Bad reverse speed for a light tank
 * Bug-like antennas are extremely tall and give away your position when hiding
 * Restocking the autoloader is very slow once it has been depleted and it limits severely your combat performance
 == History ==

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-! colspan="5" | [[SA50 L/57 (75 mm)|75 mm SA50 L/57]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
+! colspan="5" | [[SA50 L/57 (75 mm)|75 mm SA50 L/57]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || Reloading rate (seconds)
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 ! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
 ! Stock !! Upgraded !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
-! Stock !! Full !! Expert !! Aced
+!Autoloader
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 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 36 || rowspan="2" | -6°/+13° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 28.6 || 39.5 || 48.0 || 53.1 || 56.5 || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00 || rowspan="2" | 5.00
+| rowspan="2" | 36 || rowspan="2" | -6°/+13° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 28.6 || 39.5 || 48.0 || 53.1 || 56.5 || rowspan="2" | 5.00
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 ! ''Realistic''

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French light tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]]. The AMX-13's chassis is the mainstay of France's light tank technology for the post-war period and this one is its most iconic iteration as it is mounted with the FL10 turret. This vehicle is one of the best light tanks at its battle rating, capable of fulfilling many roles on the battlefield.
+The '''AMX-13/75 FL-10''' is the first variant of the [[AMX-13 (Family)|AMX-13 light tank family]]. The tank was designed in 1946 by the Atelier de Construction d'Issy-les-Moulineaux (AMX) to meet a request for an armoured vehicle that could be air-dropped to support paratroopers. The first prototype went into service in 1948. Torsion bar suspension with five road wheels and two return rollers was used on the compact chassis; the engine is positioned on the right side of the tank, with the driver on the left. It has an unusual two-part FL-10 oscillating turret that contains the main armament and allows the entire upper turret to adjust elevation. The commander and gunner sit in the turret, which is located in the rear of the vehicle. The 75 mm SA 50 L/57 tank gun was autoloaded and fed by two six-round magazines situated in the turret bustle on either side. The crew could engage targets quickly due to the 12 rounds available in the drum magazines; however, once those rounds were expended, the vehicle commander and gunner could either manually refill them from within the turret or retreat to cover and reload shells from outside the vehicle through hatches above. It was exported to over 26 more countries. Over a hundred variants exist, including prototypes and export variants. Many of these variants, such as the self-propelled gun (SPG), self-propelled anti-aircraft (SPAA), armoured personal carrier (APC), and anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) carrier, comprise their own separate families.
-The AMX-13 series has one of the most distinctive looks of all armoured warfare's history as it combines many unusual design choices. First, this tank does not feature a "classical" layout: engine deck is next to the driver and the turret ring is at the rear of the tank's hull. Speaking of turrets, this tank has an oscillating one, which means that both gun and turret armour are welded together and that the whole assembly has to rotate to elevate the gun. This way of mounting allows the placement of an autoloader mechanism in the ''long'' turret bulge. As for its size, it is very small.
+Introduced in [[Update 1.75 "La Résistance"]], the AMX-13/75 FL-10 is a very competitive light tank that can reach strategic positions on the battlefield very quickly. Due to its low profile, it may hide behind various obstacles, preventing opponents from discovering it. The most effective way to employ this tank is to keep it in a hull-down position behind a hill on the map's border; frontal engagements with enemies are not recommended. Its autoloader and high-velocity ammunition allow it to eliminate multiple opponents in a short period of time. Since the shell lacks explosive filler, it is vital to target critical components such as the target's tank gun barrel, gun breech, or ammunition rack. The autoloader and quick turret rotation allow for quick switching between enemy targets during combat, while the smoke grenades allow for a speedy retreat if the situation becomes too perilous.
 == General info ==

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 The main feature of the AMX-13 was the FL-10 oscillating turret, armed with a 75 mm gun with an automatic loader system fed by two six-round magazines, for a total of 12 rounds in the autoloading mechanism. The gun could depress 8° and elevate 12°, with 5° per second of elevation speed. The turret could rotate 360° with 30° per second of traverse speed. A TCV 107 laser rangefinder was provided to the gunner. 6 smoke grenade launchers were fitted on the turret, with 6 more grenades stored in the vehicle. One coaxial 7.62 mm machine gun was fitted, with 1,800 rounds in belts of 200. Another 7.62 mm machine gun could be fitted on an anti-aircraft mount with 1,800 rounds.
-The gasoline engine produced 250 horsepower, and the manual transmission had five forward and one reverse gear. The suspension was of the torsion bar type. The drive sprockets were in the front, return rollers in the back, and there were five road wheels and four return rollers. The AMX-13 could reach a speed of 60 kph, and it had a range of 400 kilometers.
+The gasoline engine produced 250 horsepower, and the manual transmission had five forward and one reverse gear. The suspension was of the torsion bar type. The drive sprockets were in the front, return rollers in the back, and there were five road wheels and four return rollers. The AMX-13 could reach a speed of 60 km/h, and it had a range of 400 kilometers.
 The protection of the AMX-13, it being a light tank, was not great. It could withstand heavy machine gun and low-calibre autocannon rounds from the front, but the sides could not even withstand heavy machine gun fire. An appliqué armour package was developed to increase protection at the choice of the user.

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 '''Pros:'''
-* Low profile.
+* Low profile
-* engine on the front will often absorb all damage on the front right side
+* Engine on the front will often absorb all damage on the front right side
-* very sloped armour on the front with decent thickness
+* Very sloped armour on the front with decent thickness
-* Frontally resistant to some SPAA fire ([[Ostwind]] and [[M19]]).
+* Frontally resistant to some SPAA fire ([[Ostwind]] and [[M19]])
-* Has smoke launchers (high arc of fire).
+* Has smoke launchers (high arc of fire)
-* Can reach its top speed quite fast.
+* Can reach its top speed quite fast
-* Gun performance is comparable to the British [[Ordnance QF 17-pounder (76 mm)|QF 17-pounder]]'s.
+* Gun performance is comparable to the British [[Ordnance QF 17-pounder (76 mm)|QF 17-pounder]]'s
-* Fast turret rotation.
+* Fast turret rotation
-* Stock shell is quite good, although the upgraded shell is a strict improvement.
+* Stock shell is quite good, although the upgraded shell is a strict improvement
-* Short reload time thanks to the 12-round autoloader: 1 shot every 5 seconds, comparable to reload times at low ranks.
+* Short reload time thanks to the 12-round autoloader: 1 shot every 5 seconds, comparable to reload times at low ranks
-* Has scouting ability.
+* Has scouting ability
 '''Cons:'''
-* Thin top armour: vulnerable to strafing planes (can be penetrated by .50 cals with ground target belts at typical strafing ranges).
+* Thin top armour: vulnerable to strafing planes (can be penetrated by .50 cals with ground target belts at typical strafing ranges)
-* Thin sides will get shredded by SPAAs and HMGs.
+* Thin sides easily penetrated by SPAAs and HMGs
 * Only 3 crew members
-* Extremely bouncy suspension: bad at stop-and-shoot due to oscillating turret design.
+* Extremely bouncy suspension: bad at stop-and-shoot due to oscillating turret design
-* Bad reverse speed for a light tank.
+* Bad reverse speed for a light tank
-* Bug-like antennas are extremely tall and give away your position when hiding.
+* Bug-like antennas are extremely tall and give away your position when hiding
-* Gun penetration subpar in up-tiers: relies heavily on flanking manoeuvres.
+* Gun penetration subpar in up-tiers: relies heavily on flanking manoeuvres
-* Restocking the autoloader is very slow once it has been depleted and it limits severely your combat performance.
+* Restocking the autoloader is very slow once it has been depleted and it limits severely your combat performance
-* Lacks defensive armament against aircraft.
+* Lacks defensive armament against aircraft
 == History ==

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 * Low profile.
-* Thin armour will often not detonate APHE ammo.
+* engine on the front will often absorb all damage on the front right side
 * Frontally resistant to some SPAA fire ([[Ostwind]] and [[M19]]).
 * Has smoke launchers (high arc of fire).
 * Can reach its top speed quite fast.
 * Gun performance is comparable to the British [[Ordnance QF 17-pounder (76 mm)|QF 17-pounder]]'s.
 * Fast turret rotation.
 * Stock shell is quite good, although the upgraded shell is a strict improvement.
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_amx_13_75 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Vehicles equipped with the same chassis
 * [[AMX-13 (Family)]]
 ;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role
 * [[Strv 74]]

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-Even though this tank has unimpressive armour values, its sloped profile will protect it from autocannon fire (with some distance, even the [[Bofors (40 mm)|Bofors]] can't go through this tank). Any dedicated antitank gun/missile/contraption will go right through this tank's armour. While this may sound a bit bad "getting easily pierced" also has its advantages: some APHE rounds will not detonate upon impact, which will minimise the damage done. If you happen to get shot at, the best way to survive is by showing your right front corner towards the enemy, this way, the engine deck may catch some shells. Don't ever rely on this tank's armour, take every shot you survive as a second chance.
+Even though this tank has unimpressive armour values, its sloped profile will protect it from autocannon fire (with some distance, even the [[Bofors L/60 (40 mm)|Bofors]] can't go through this tank). Any dedicated antitank gun/missile/contraption will go right through this tank's armour. While this may sound a bit bad "getting easily pierced" also has its advantages: some APHE rounds will not detonate upon impact, which will minimise the damage done. If you happen to get shot at, the best way to survive is by showing your right front corner towards the enemy, this way, the engine deck may catch some shells. Don't ever rely on this tank's armour, take every shot you survive as a second chance.
 '''Armour type:'''

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 ==== Ammunition ====
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+{{:SA50 L/57 (75 mm)/Ammunition|POT-51A, OE Mle 1951, PCOT-51P}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====