AMD.35 (SA35) - Revision history

U38088265: /* Description */

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‎Description

U120313908: /* Description */ New Description Project

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‎Description: New Description Project

U38088265: /* Usage in battles */

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‎Usage in battles

U140241225: Described Usage in battles and Enemies worth Noting

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Described Usage in battles and Enemies worth Noting

U44629479: Edits

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Edits

U140241225: Described Mobility, Survivability and armour

2023-08-19T12:32:08Z

Described Mobility, Survivability and armour

U44629479: Edits

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U17577377 at 13:12, 16 August 2023

2023-08-16T13:12:58Z

U92800958: turret and reload statts same as AMD.35

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turret and reload statts same as AMD.35

U92800958: armor statts.

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armor statts.

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' also known as Panhard 178 was a 4 x 4 French reconnaissance armoured car, usually equipped with a 25mm autocannon. In 1939 a version of the Panhard was unveiled, featuring a 47mm SA35 cannon, intended to increase the anti tank capabilities of the vehicle. Not many vehicles received this modification however, instead most SA35 cannons were intended for the Char B and Char D2 series of tanks. Instead, in 1940, Panhard proposed a version of the vehicle with a rearward-facing 47mm SA37 gun. Due to the increasingly deteriorating situation in the front, the single prototype had to be abandoned and destroyed by its crew, although it managed to see action with the ''1er RAM,'' defending a bridge near Etignie.
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''', also known as Panhard 178, was a 4x4 French reconnaissance armoured car, usually equipped with a 25 mm autocannon. In 1939, a version of the Panhard was unveiled, featuring a 47 mm SA35 cannon, intended to increase the anti-tank capabilities of the vehicle. Not many vehicles received this modification however, instead most SA35 cannons were intended for the Char B and Char D2 series of tanks. Instead, in 1940, Panhard proposed a version of the vehicle with a rearward-facing 47 mm SA37 gun. Due to the increasingly deteriorating situation on the front, the single prototype had to be abandoned and destroyed by its crew, although it managed to see action with the ''1er RAM'', defending a bridge near Etignie.
-It was introduced during [[Update "Sky Guardians"]] as a reward for the [[wt:en/news/8186-event-repair-factory-en|"Repair Factory" event]]. The '''{{Specs|name}}'''  has a very poor protection, it can be even penetrated by HMG fire from distances above 500m from the sides. However this vehicle uses its mobility as its armour, however, while it has good mobility while on the road, its wheeled design makes it suffer in cross country. It has a quite decent gun, with good penetrating power for its BR, it is capable of dealing with most medium and light tanks that are common at rank I, like the BT-7 and the german Panzer III, it might struggle however against heavier opponents in uptiers.
+It was introduced during [[Update "Sky Guardians"]] as a reward for the [[wt:en/news/8186-event-repair-factory-en|"Repair Factory" event]]. The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is very poorly protected, it can be even penetrated by HMG fire from distances above 500 m from the sides. This vehicle uses its mobility as its armour, however, while it has good mobility while on the road, its wheeled design makes it suffer on rough terrain. It has a quite decent gun, with good penetrating power for its BR, it is capable of dealing with most medium and light tanks that are common at rank I, like the [[BT-7]] and the [[Panzer III (Family)|Panzer III]], though it might struggle against heavier opponents in uptiers.
 == General info ==

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a premium gift rank {{Specs|rank}} French light tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced during [[Update "Sky Guardians"]] as a reward for the [[wt:en/news/8186-event-repair-factory-en|"Repair Factory" event]].
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' also known as Panhard 178 was a 4 x 4 French reconnaissance armoured car, usually equipped with a 25mm autocannon. In 1939 a version of the Panhard was unveiled, featuring a 47mm SA35 cannon, intended to increase the anti tank capabilities of the vehicle. Not many vehicles received this modification however, instead most SA35 cannons were intended for the Char B and Char D2 series of tanks. Instead, in 1940, Panhard proposed a version of the vehicle with a rearward-facing 47mm SA37 gun. Due to the increasingly deteriorating situation in the front, the single prototype had to be abandoned and destroyed by its crew, although it managed to see action with the ''1er RAM,'' defending a bridge near Etignie.
 == General info ==

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 ! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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-| Hull || 20 mm (22°) ''Upper plate'' <br> 15 mm (66°) ''Upper glacis'' <br> 26 mm ''Lower plate'' <br> 15 mm (38°) ''Lower glacis'' || 15 mm ''Hull side'' <br> 20 mm ''Driver viewport'' || 15 mm (23°) ''Crew compartment'' <br> 15 mm (2°) ''Rear plate'' <br> 15 mm (44°) ''Lower glacis'' || 15 mm (24°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 7 mm ''Crew compartment'' <br> 7 mm (8°) ''Engine compartment''
+| Hull || 20 mm (22°) ''Upper plate'' <br> 15 mm (66°) ''Upper glacis'' <br> 26 mm ''Lower plate'' <br> 15 mm (38°) ''Lower glacis'' || 15 mm ''Hull side'' <br> 20 mm ''Driver viewport'' || 15 mm (23°) ''Crew compartment'' <br> 15 mm (2°) ''Rear plate'' <br> 15 mm (44°) ''Lower glacis'' || 15 mm (24°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 7 mm ''Crew compartment'' <br> 7 mm (8°) ''Engine compartment''
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-| Turret || 26 mm (47°) ''Turret front'' <br> 45+20 mm ''Gun mantlet'' || 15 mm (12-21°) || 15 mm (11°) || 7 mm (7°)
+| Turret || 26 mm (47°) ''Turret front'' <br> 45+20 mm ''Gun mantlet'' || 15 mm (12-21°) || 15 mm (11°) || 7 mm (7°)
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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-The AMD.35 (SA35) is best thought of as an armoured car with a adequate gun. Although it has poor armour protection, like most armoured cars, it is mobile, lethal, and surprisingly survivable.
+The AMD.35 (SA35) is best thought of as an armoured car with an adequate gun. Although it has poor armour protection, like most armoured cars, it is mobile, lethal, and surprisingly survivable.
-Its gun is a 47 mm cannon with adequate penetration values. This weapon will have no problem dealing with the most enemies at this tier. Just try to stay under 300 m of range, or else there may be significant deviation in the rounds. However be aware that the post-penetration damage is quite small so it is advisable to aim for the breech or the gunner first. It's also important to note the lack of a machine gun, which can become a problem when facing Spaa and other lightly armored vehicles and so bringing a few HE shells is necessary to deal with them in a timely manner.
+Its gun is a 47 mm cannon with adequate penetration values. This weapon will have no problem dealing with most enemies at this rank. Just try to stay under 300 m of range, or else there may be significant deviation in the rounds. However, be aware that the post-penetration damage is quite small so it is advisable to aim for critical components such as the breech or the gunner first. It's also important to note the lack of a machine gun, which can become a problem when facing SPAA and other lightly armoured vehicles, and so bringing a few HE shells is necessary to deal with them in a timely manner.
-The AMD.35 (SA35) has a great speed advantage on roads and paved surfaces. However, it has poor mobility on soft terrain, and struggles to go uphill. Even when driving on roads, quick turns cause the vehicle to lose much speed. Finally, the AMD.35 (SA35) has quite ineffective brakes. It is recommended that the tanker use the AMD.35 (SA35)'s great on-road speed to quickly attain a firing position at the beginning of a match, and move quickly around the map to avoid detection. If a good firing position is found, then the AMD.35 (SA35) will be able to utilise its cannon to great effect.
+The AMD.35 has a great speed advantage on roads and paved surfaces. However, it has poor mobility on soft terrain, and struggles to go uphill. Even when driving on roads, quick turns cause the vehicle to lose much speed. Finally, the AMD.35 has quite ineffective brakes. It is recommended that the tanker use the AMD.35's great on-road speed to quickly attain a firing position at the beginning of a match, and move quickly around the map to avoid detection. If a good firing position is found, then the AMD.35 will be able to utilise its cannon to great effect.
 '''Enemies worth noting:'''
-* [[Pz.II (Family)|Pz.II]] and other tanks with autocannons can shred your armour and the modules behind it. Generally, it is advised not to engage head on but if you are forced to, then make sure you get off the first shot before they start spraying.
+* [[Pz.II (Family)|Pz.II]] and other tanks with autocannons can shred your armour and the modules behind it. Generally, it is advised not to engage head on but if you are forced to, then make sure you get off the first shot before they start spraying.
-* [[:Category:Anti-aircraft vehicles|SPAAs]] - Nearly every anti-aircraft vehicle at the tier will be able to penetrate and destroy the AMD.35 (SA35) with ease. Not to mention that SPAAs guns have high rates of fire. As with any other vehicles, it is advised to shoot first. Certain SPAAs which are commonly underestimated like the French [[P.7.T AA]], and [[CCKW 353 AA]] and the American [[M15 CGMC]], and should be especially noted, as despite not having 20 mm autocannons like their Axis counterparts, they all have weapons capable of efficiently knocking out a AMD.35 (SA35).
+* [[:Category:Anti-aircraft vehicles|SPAAs]] - Nearly every anti-aircraft vehicle at the rank will be able to penetrate and destroy the AMD.35 with ease. Not to mention that SPAAs guns have high rates of fire. As with any other vehicles, it is advised to shoot first. Certain SPAAs which are commonly underestimated like the French [[P.7.T AA]], and [[CCKW 353 AA]] and the American [[M15 CGMC]], and should be especially noted, as despite not having 20 mm autocannons like their Axis counterparts, they all have weapons capable of efficiently knocking out an AMD.35.
-* The [[Matilda III]], [[SU-122]], [[T-50]] and some other tanks can have over 50 mm of armour which is is thick enough to stop you from penetrating them from front or even from the sides. It's advised to avoid engaging them from the front and instead marking them on the map for your teammates to deal with or attacking them from the side or back while they are distracted. The [[Matilda (Family)|Matilda]]'s and [[Valentine (Family)|Valentine]]'s should be noted as they are practically invulnerable to your cannon.
+* The [[Matilda III]], [[SU-122]], [[T-50]] and some other tanks can have over 50 mm of armour which is is thick enough to stop you from penetrating them from front or even from the sides. It's advised to avoid engaging them from the front and instead marking them on the map for your teammates to deal with or attacking them from the side or back while they are distracted. The [[Matilda (Family)|Matilda]]'s and [[Valentine (Family)|Valentine]]'s should be noted as they are practically invulnerable to your cannon.
-=== Pros and cons === <!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->
+=== Pros and cons ===
 '''Pros:'''
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 * High crew count and good survivability
 * Adequate gun depression
 '''Cons:'''
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 * Slow turret rotation and gun elevation
 * Lightly armoured flanks and rear
 == History ==

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 == Usage in battles ==
 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).''
+The AMD.35 (SA35) is best thought of as an armoured car with a adequate gun. Although it has poor armour protection, like most armoured cars, it is mobile, lethal, and surprisingly survivable.
-=== Pros and cons ===
+Its gun is a 47 mm cannon with adequate penetration values. This weapon will have no problem dealing with the most enemies at this tier. Just try to stay under 300 m of range, or else there may be significant deviation in the rounds. However be aware that the post-penetration damage is quite small so it is advisable to aim for the breech or the gunner first. It's also important to note the lack of a machine gun, which can become a problem when facing Spaa and other lightly armored vehicles and so bringing a few HE shells is necessary to deal with them in a timely manner.
-<!-- ''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".'' -->
-''Summarise and briefly evaluate the vehicle in terms of its characteristics and combat effectiveness. Mark its pros and cons in a bulleted list. Try not to use more than 6 points for each of the characteristics. Avoid using categorical definitions such as "bad", "good" and the like - use substitutions with softer forms such as "inadequate" and "effective".''
+The AMD.35 (SA35) has a great speed advantage on roads and paved surfaces. However, it has poor mobility on soft terrain, and struggles to go uphill. Even when driving on roads, quick turns cause the vehicle to lose much speed. Finally, the AMD.35 (SA35) has quite ineffective brakes. It is recommended that the tanker use the AMD.35 (SA35)'s great on-road speed to quickly attain a firing position at the beginning of a match, and move quickly around the map to avoid detection. If a good firing position is found, then the AMD.35 (SA35) will be able to utilise its cannon to great effect.
 '''Pros:'''
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 * High straight-line top speed on paved surfaces
 * Excellent reverse gear
-* Great penetration and shell velocity
+* Adequate penetration and shell velocity
 * Quick reload speed
 * High crew count and good survivability
+*
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 * Weak brakes
 * Slow turret rotation and gun elevation
 * Lightly armoured flanks and rear

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 {{Specs-Tank-Armour}}
 <!-- ''Describe armour protection. Note the most well protected and key weak areas. Appreciate the layout of modules as well as the number and location of crew members. Is the level of armour protection sufficient, is the placement of modules helpful for survival in combat? If necessary use a visual template to indicate the most secure and weak zones of the armour.'' -->
-Being an Armored car the AMD.35 (SA35) has poor protection, as a result this vehicle is only protected against rifle-calibre MG fire, with the sides easily penetrated by heavy MG fire, but unlike most armored cars the AMD.35 (SA35) has enough frontal armour to survive most heavy MG fire from a distance above 500 meters and practically all heavy MG fire to the front of the turret.
+Being an armoured car, the AMD.35 (SA35) has poor protection, as the vehicle is only protected against rifle-calibre MG fire. The sides are easily penetrated by heavy MG fire, but unlike most armoured cars the AMD.35 (SA35) has enough frontal armour to survive most heavy MG fire from a distance above 500 m and practically all heavy MG fire to the front of the turret.
 '''Armour type:''' <!-- The types of armour present on the vehicle and their general locations -->
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 ! Armour !! Front (Slope angle) !! Sides !! Rear !! Roof
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-| Hull || 20 mm (22°) ''Upper plate''
+| Hull || 20 mm (22°) ''Upper plate'' <br> 15 mm (66°) ''Upper glacis'' <br> 26 mm ''Lower plate'' <br> 15 mm (38°) ''Lower glacis'' || 15 mm ''Hull side'' <br> 20 mm ''Driver viewport'' || 15 mm (23°) ''Crew compartment'' <br> 15 mm (2°) ''Rear plate'' <br> 15 mm (44°) ''Lower glacis'' || 15 mm (24°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 7 mm ''Crew compartment'' <br> 7 mm (8°) ''Engine compartment''
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-| Turret || 26 mm (47°) ''Turret front''
+| Turret || 26 mm (47°) ''Turret front'' <br> 45+20 mm ''Gun mantlet'' || 15 mm (12-21°) || 15 mm (11°) || 7 mm (7°)
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 '''Notes:'''
 * Wheels are 10 mm thick.
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 * The cupola is just a ventilation cupola and 7 mm thick.
 * Internal plates (7 mm thick) separate the crew compartment from the engine compartment, as well as the engine compartment in half and cover the commander from the top and the rear.
 === Mobility ===
 {{Specs-Tank-Mobility}}
 <!-- ''Write about the mobility of the ground vehicle. Estimate the specific power and manoeuvrability, as well as the maximum speed forwards and backwards.'' -->
-The AMD.35 (SA35) can reach really good high speeds on road, but has poor cross-country performance. Notably, its wheeled configuration means the car will not get good fire when on the move and it will turn in an arc. Meanwhile, its good reverse speed could possibly save the car as long as the move happens before the enemy shoots.
+The AMD.35 (SA35) can reach really good high speeds on road, but has poor cross-country performance. Notably, its wheeled configuration means the car will not get accurate fire when on the move and it will turn in an arc. Meanwhile, its good reverse speed can possibly save the car from an unfortunate encounter.
 {{tankMobility|abMinHp=163|rbMinHp=93}}

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 {{About
-| about = Premium French light tank '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
+| about = premium French light tank '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
 | usage = other versions
 | link = AMD.35 (Family)

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 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 30 || rowspan="2" | -12°/+20° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | - || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || rowspan="2" | 3.90 || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | _.__ || rowspan="2" | 3.00
+| rowspan="2" | 30 || rowspan="2" | -12°/+20° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | - || 23.8 || 32.9 || 40.0 || 44.2 || 47.1 || rowspan="2" | 3.90 || rowspan="2" | 3.45 || rowspan="2" | 3.18 || rowspan="2" | 3.00
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 ! ''Realistic''
-| __._ || __._ || __._ || __._ || __._
+| 14.9 || 17.5 || 21.3 || 23.5 || 25.0
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 |}