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U74396666: New Description Project - France Priority: Tanks - Automitrailleuse de Découverte (AMD) Panhard modèle 1935

2023-10-22T11:03:43Z

New Description Project - France Priority: Tanks - Automitrailleuse de Découverte (AMD) Panhard modèle 1935

U17577377 at 13:12, 16 August 2023

2023-08-16T13:12:40Z

U44629479: /* Media */ Added Shooting Range episode

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‎Media: Added Shooting Range episode

U44629479: Added About template

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Added About template

U44629479: /* Ammunition */ Converted to transclusion

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‎Ammunition: Converted to transclusion

U44629479: Edits

2022-08-21T23:34:14Z

Edits

U38088265: /* Machine guns */

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‎Machine guns

U38088265: /* Armaments */ Updated

2022-06-25T09:25:48Z

‎Armaments: Updated

U9202753 at 16:07, 12 February 2022

2022-02-12T16:07:43Z

U44629479: Undo revision 109219 by U107657844 (talk)

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Undo revision 109219 by U107657844 (talk)

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 == Description ==
 <!-- ''In the description, the first part should be about the history of the creation and combat usage of the vehicle, as well as its key features. In the second part, tell the reader about the ground vehicle in the game. Insert a screenshot of the vehicle, so that if the novice player does not remember the vehicle by name, he will immediately understand what kind of vehicle the article is talking about.'' -->
-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} French light tank {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.93 "Shark Attack"]], replacing the [[AMC.34 YR]] as a reserve vehicle for the nation.
+The '''Automitrailleuse de Découverte (AMD) Panhard modèle 1935''' is a light French reconnaissance 4x4 armoured car built for cavalry units prior to World War II. It was crewed by four individuals and armed with a powerful 25 mm SA35 L/72 tank gun. The AMD Panhard modèle 1935 had been kept as light as possible to fulfil its role as an effective long-range reconnaissance vehicle. The mobility was impressive for the time: a top speed of 72.6 km/h, a cruising speed of 47 km/h, and a practical range of approximately 300 km made possible by two fuel tanks, the main one positioned at the far back of the hull. Following the fall of France in 1940, a few of these vehicles were taken over by the Germans and designated Panzerspähwagen P204 (f).
 == General info ==
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_amd_35 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role
 * [[Sd.Kfz.221 (s.Pz.B.41)]]
 * [[AB 41]]

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 {{About
 | about = French light tank '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
-| usage = the premium version
+| usage = other versions
-| link = AMD.35 (SA35)
+| link = AMD.35 (Family)
 }}
 {{Specs-Card

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 ;Videos
-{{Youtube-gallery|xPq54SeNigk|'''The {{PAGENAME}} Light Tank (Well... Reconnaissance Car)''' - ''Orangefan''|gqSXbVsxFXM|'''Spade Review, {{PAGENAME}}. An upgrade from the current Reserves''' - ''Joseph 2000''}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|WgmbLGEVWGg|'''The Shooting Range #352''' - ''Pages of History'' section at 03:24 discusses the {{PAGENAME}}.|xPq54SeNigk|'''The {{PAGENAME}} Light Tank (Well... Reconnaissance Car)''' - ''Orangefan''|gqSXbVsxFXM|'''Spade Review, {{PAGENAME}}. An upgrade from the current Reserves''' - ''Joseph 2000''}}
 == See also ==

← Older revision		Revision as of 11:37, 15 April 2023
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		+	{{About
		+	\| about = French light tank '''{{PAGENAME}}'''
		+	\| usage = the premium version
		+	\| link = AMD.35 (SA35)
		+	}}
	{{Specs-Card		{{Specs-Card
	\|code=fr_amd_35		\|code=fr_amd_35

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 ==== Ammunition ====
-{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
+{{:SA35 L/72 (25 mm)/Ammunition|Mle1934 TP (Ch.F)}}
 ==== [[Ammo racks]] ====

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 The AMD.35 is best thought of as an armoured car with a great gun. Although it has poor armour protection, like most armoured cars, it is mobile, lethal, and surprisingly survivable.
-Its gun is a 25 mm cannon with high penetration values. This weapon will have no problem dealing with the vast majority of enemies at this tier. Just try to stay under 300 metres of range, or else there may be significant deviation in the rounds. However be aware that the post penetration damage is quite small so it is advisable to aim for the breech or the gunner first.
+Its gun is a 25 mm cannon with high penetration values. This weapon will have no problem dealing with the vast majority of enemies at this tier. Just try to stay under 300 m of range, or else there may be significant deviation in the rounds. However be aware that the post-penetration damage is quite small so it is advisable to aim for the breech or the gunner first.
 This vehicle is unlike most ground vehicles in the game in that it is wheeled. Because of this, it has a great speed advantage on roads and paved surfaces. However, it has poor mobility on soft terrain, and struggles to go uphill. Even when driving on roads, quick turns cause the vehicle to lose much speed. Finally, the AMD.35 has quite ineffective brakes when stock. It is recommended that the tanker use the AMD.35's great on-road speed to quickly attain a firing position at the beginning of a match, and move quickly around the map to avoid detection. If a good firing position is found, then the AMD.35 will be able to utilise its powerful cannon to great effect.
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 '''Pros:'''
-* High straight-line top speed on paved surfaces.
+* High straight-line top speed on paved surfaces
-* Excellent reverse gear.
+* Excellent reverse gear
-* Great penetration and shell velocity.
+* Great penetration and shell velocity
-* Quick reload speed.
+* Quick reload speed
-* High crew count and good survivability.
+* High crew count and good survivability
 '''Cons:'''
-* Poor cross-country performance.
+* Poor cross-country performance
-* Weak brakes.
+* Weak brakes
-* Slow turret rotation an gun elevation.
+* Slow turret rotation an gun elevation
-* Below-average gun depression.
+* Below-average gun depression
-* Lightly armoured flanks and rear.
+* Lightly armoured flanks and rear
 == History ==
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 Unusually for a French light reconnaissance vehicle, the Panhard 178 was equipped with a 2-man turret at a time when even most of their tanks had one-man turrets: the AP3X turret housed a commander and gunner, who had a 25 mm Hotchkiss Modèle 34 main gun and 7.5 mm Reibel coaxial machine gun at their disposal. The turret also housed a reserve machine gun which could be mounted on top for anti-aircraft defence, but which was rarely mounted in practice. The Hotchkiss gun had tungsten rounds at its disposal, capable of penetrating up to 50 mm of armour, however, these rounds performed poorly when confronted with angled armour. Already early on the poor armour-penetrating capabilities of the Hotchkiss Modèle 34 were recognised, and work was started on up-arming the AMD.35 with a 47 mm SA 35 gun. Early designs would have seen the gun fitted in the rear driver's post creating a tank-destroyer with two AT guns (the turreted Hotchkiss gun and a hull-mounted SA 35 gun), but this was abandoned in favour of a vehicle with a turreted SA 35 in an enlarged turret. Even so, by May of 1940, in the response of events in Poland, plans were already being drawn up to phase out production of the lightly armoured AMD.35 in favour of the more heavily armed and armoured AM40P.
-Events decided differently, and following the German invasion of France in May of 1940, the AMD.35 proved its worth, outclassing its German counterparts. In a number of direct confrontation, German reconnaissance vehicles proved vulnerable to the Panhard's Hotchkiss gun, while their own 20 mm main gun proved ineffective against the Panhard. As a result, following the defeat of France, the Panhard 178 was taken into production for the German army as the ''Panzerspähwagen P204 (f)''. In German service, some of these vehicles were refitted with the 37 mm KwK 36; in 1944, a batch of captured ex-Vichy Panhards were fitted with the 50 mm KwK 38 L/42 or L/60 in an open turret.
+Events decided differently, and following the German invasion of France in May of 1940, the AMD.35 proved its worth, outclassing its German counterparts. In a number of direct confrontation, German reconnaissance vehicles proved vulnerable to the Panhard's Hotchkiss gun, while their own 20 mm main gun proved ineffective against the Panhard. As a result, following the defeat of France, the Panhard 178 was taken into production for the German army as the ''Panzerspähwagen P204 (f)''. In German service, some of these vehicles were refitted with the 37 mm KwK36; in 1944, a batch of captured ex-Vichy Panhards were fitted with the 50 mm KwK38 L/42 or L/60 in an open turret.
 Following the Liberation of France in 1944, production of the Panhard 178 was reinstated for the French Army, and consideration was given to up-arming the design with the 75 mm SA 45 L/32. A larger turret was designed which could fit this gun, however, before production started the decision was taken to fit the new Panhard 178B with the pre-war 47 mm SA 35 instead. The up-armed Panhard 178B was produced for the French Army, entering service after the War: it served both in France and its colonies, such as Syria, Tahiti, Madagascar and Indo-China. The Panhard 178B was phased out of French army service in 1960; examples taken over by Syria following its independence in 1946 continued service into the mid-1960, when it was finally phased out in favour of Soviet-supplied equipment.

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 {{Specs-Tank-Weapon|1}}
 <!-- ''Give the reader information about the characteristics of the main gun. Assess its effectiveness in a battle based on the reloading speed, ballistics and the power of shells. Do not forget about the flexibility of the fire, that is how quickly the cannon can be aimed at the target, open fire on it and aim at another enemy. Add a link to the main article on the gun: <code><nowiki>{{main|Name of the weapon}}</nowiki></code>. Describe in general terms the ammunition available for the main gun. Give advice on how to use them and how to fill the ammunition storage.'' -->
-{{main|SA34 L/72 (25 mm)}}
+{{main|SA35 L/72 (25 mm)}}
-The AMD.35 possesses the same gun as the AMR.35 ZT3: the 25 mm SA34 L/72. Its high (950 m/s) velocity gives its shells a very flat trajectory, making rangefinding a relatively easy task.
+The AMD.35 possesses the same gun as the AMR.35 ZT3: the 25 mm SA35 L/72. Its high (950 m/s) velocity gives its shells a very flat trajectory, making rangefinding a relatively easy task.
 The penetration capability is acceptable, but the post-penetration damage, because of the shell type (only APC), is very light. You will have to shoot multiple times in order to destroy an enemy tank.
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 {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" width="100%"
 |-
-! colspan="5" | [[SA34 L/72 (25 mm)|25 mm SA34 L/72]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
+! colspan="5" | [[SA35 L/72 (25 mm)|25 mm SA35 L/72]] || colspan="5" | Turret rotation speed (°/s) || colspan="4" | Reloading rate (seconds)
 |-
 ! Mode !! Capacity !! Vertical !! Horizontal !! Stabilizer
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 ! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
 |-
-| Coaxial || 800 (150) || 551 || N/A || N/A
+| Coaxial || 900 (150) || 551 || -12°/+15° || ±15°
 |-
 |}

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 | Hull || 20 mm (22°) ''Upper plate'' <br> 15 mm (66°) ''Upper glacis'' <br> 26 mm ''Lower plate'' <br> 15 mm (38°) ''Lower glacis'' || 15 mm ''Hull side'' <br> 20 mm ''Driver viewport'' || 15 mm (23°) ''Crew compartment'' <br> 15 mm (2°) ''Rear plate'' <br> 15 mm (44°) ''Lower glacis'' || 15 mm (24°) ''Front glacis'' <br> 7 mm ''Crew compartment'' <br> 7 mm (8°) ''Engine compartment''
 |-
-|Turret || 26 mm (25°) ''Turret front'' <br> 20 mm ''Gun mantlet''  <br> 20 + 26 mm ''MG port'' || 15 mm (15-24°) || 15 mm (31°) || 7 mm (7°)
+|Turret || 26 mm (25°) ''Turret front'' <br> 20 mm ''Gun mantlet'' <br> 20 + 26 mm ''MG port'' || 15 mm (15-24°) || 15 mm (31°) || 7 mm (7°)
 |-
 |}
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 |-
 ! ''Arcade''
-| rowspan="2" | 48 || rowspan="2" | -7°/+20° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 23.80 || 32.94 || 40.00 || 44.23 || 47.06 || rowspan="2" | 3.90 || rowspan="2" | 3.45 || rowspan="2" | 3.18 || rowspan="2" | 3.00
+| rowspan="2" | 48 || rowspan="2" | -12°/+15° || rowspan="2" | ±180° || rowspan="2" | N/A || 23.8 || 32.9 || 40.0 || 44.2 || 47.1 || rowspan="2" | 3.90 || rowspan="2" | 3.45 || rowspan="2" | 3.18 || rowspan="2" | 3.00
 |-
 ! ''Realistic''
-| 14.88 || 17.50 || 21.25 || 23.50 || 25.00
+| 14.9 || 17.5 || 21.3 || 23.5 || 25.0
 |-
 |}
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 ! Mount !! Capacity (Belt) !! Fire rate !! Vertical !! Horizontal
 |-
-| Coaxial || 800 (150) || 551 || -1°/+20° || N/A
+| Coaxial || 800 (150) || 551 || N/A || N/A
 |-
 |}
-The AMD.35 is equipped with a single coaxial MAC 31 installed in a separate mantlet to the left of the main gun. It is loaded with 800 rounds organised in AP/AP/T belts, with a maximum 10 mm of penetration and a decent fire-rate and velocity. It is loaded with a pan magazine loaded with 150 rounds (100 AP and 50 T) per magazine. The machine gun is able to provide continuous fire for around 6.5 seconds before having to be reloaded, taking 6 seconds with a stock crew. (It seems that the magazine the AMD.35 first spawns with is considerably shorter, firing only for only 2.5 seconds before having to reload). Its depression angle is very poor (2°) and can't match the main gun depression angle (7°).
+The AMD.35 is equipped with a single coaxial MAC 31 installed in a separate mantlet to the left of the main gun. It is loaded with 800 rounds organised in AP/AP/T belts, with a maximum 10 mm of penetration and a decent fire-rate and velocity. It is loaded with a pan magazine loaded with 150 rounds (100 AP and 50 T) per magazine. The machine gun is able to provide continuous fire for around 6.5 seconds before having to be reloaded, taking 6 seconds with a stock crew.
 The small calibre of the MAC 31 machine gun makes it largely ineffective against all armoured vehicles but the ones with an open compartment. It still can be used to ping targets as a rangefinding help or to mow down minor obstacles blocking your line of sight.
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 <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
-The AMD.35 is best thought of as an armoured car with a great gun.  Although it has poor armour protection, like most armoured cars, it is mobile, lethal, and surprisingly survivable.
+The AMD.35 is best thought of as an armoured car with a great gun. Although it has poor armour protection, like most armoured cars, it is mobile, lethal, and surprisingly survivable.
-Its gun is a 25 mm cannon with high penetration values.  This weapon will have no problem dealing with the vast majority of enemies at this tier.  Just try to stay under 300 metres of range, or else there may be significant deviation in the rounds. However be aware that the post penetration damage is quite small so it is advisable to aim for the breech or the gunner first.
+Its gun is a 25 mm cannon with high penetration values. This weapon will have no problem dealing with the vast majority of enemies at this tier. Just try to stay under 300 metres of range, or else there may be significant deviation in the rounds. However be aware that the post penetration damage is quite small so it is advisable to aim for the breech or the gunner first.
-This vehicle is unlike most ground vehicles in the game in that it is wheeled.  Because of this, it has a great speed advantage on roads and paved surfaces.  However, it has poor mobility on soft terrain, and struggles to go uphill.  Even when driving on roads, quick turns cause the vehicle to lose much speed.  Finally, the AMD.35 has quite ineffective brakes when stock.  It is recommended that the tanker use the AMD.35's great on-road speed to quickly attain a firing position at the beginning of a match, and move quickly around the map to avoid detection.  If a good firing position is found, then the AMD.35 will be able to utilise its powerful cannon to great effect.
+This vehicle is unlike most ground vehicles in the game in that it is wheeled. Because of this, it has a great speed advantage on roads and paved surfaces. However, it has poor mobility on soft terrain, and struggles to go uphill. Even when driving on roads, quick turns cause the vehicle to lose much speed. Finally, the AMD.35 has quite ineffective brakes when stock. It is recommended that the tanker use the AMD.35's great on-road speed to quickly attain a firing position at the beginning of a match, and move quickly around the map to avoid detection. If a good firing position is found, then the AMD.35 will be able to utilise its powerful cannon to great effect.
-Most vehicles at this tier are poorly armoured, and this one is no exception.  However, with 4 crew members it is actually quite survivable, and can usually take a few hits before being destroyed.  Still, it is always best to avoid taking fire if possible, and in that regard, the AMD.35's high top speed will be a boon.
+Most vehicles at this tier are poorly armoured, and this one is no exception. However, with 4 crew members it is actually quite survivable, and can usually take a few hits before being destroyed. Still, it is always best to avoid taking fire if possible, and in that regard, the AMD.35's high top speed will be a boon.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 ;Videos
-{{Youtube-gallery|xPq54SeNigk|'''The {{PAGENAME}} Light Tank (Well... Reconnaissance Car)''' - ''Orangefan''|gqSXbVsxFXM|'''Spade Review,  {{PAGENAME}}. An upgrade from the current Reserves''' - ''Joseph 2000''}}
+{{Youtube-gallery|xPq54SeNigk|'''The {{PAGENAME}} Light Tank (Well... Reconnaissance Car)''' - ''Orangefan''|gqSXbVsxFXM|'''Spade Review, {{PAGENAME}}. An upgrade from the current Reserves''' - ''Joseph 2000''}}
 == See also ==

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 {{Specs-Card
 |code=fr_amd_35
-|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg}}
+|images={{Specs-Card-Image|GarageImage_{{PAGENAME}}.jpg|ArtImage_{{PAGENAME}}.png}}
 }}

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 == Usage in battles ==
-This armoured car is best for (unless you have no faster tanks with better guns) can be good for getting quickly to the zones, But due to its lack of performace offroad you should probly use the roads. Once you get to the zone, don't engage any major targets and only exchage fire with small targets waiting for bigger infantry to support you, on your way there if there are any tanks/armored cars there launch artillery on the spot       <!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
+<!-- ''Describe the tactics of playing in the vehicle, the features of using vehicles in the team and advice on tactics. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view but instead give the reader food for thought. Describe the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB).'' -->
 The AMD.35 is best thought of as an armoured car with a great gun.  Although it has poor armour protection, like most armoured cars, it is mobile, lethal, and surprisingly survivable.
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=fr_amd_35 Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
 ;Videos
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 * ''reference to the series of the vehicles;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
 ;Other vehicles of similar configuration and role
 * [[Sd.Kfz.221 (s.Pz.B.41)]]
 * [[AB 41]]