AG-30 (30 mm) - Revision history

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 == General info ==
-''Tell us about the tactical and technical characteristics of the cannon or machine gun.''
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 === Available ammunition ===

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 * Grenades will almost never penetrate armour directly and hurt the crew inside
-* Grenade's low muzzle velocity results in quite a delay from firing to grenade impact
+* Grenade's low muzzle velocity results in quite a delay from firing to grenade impact, making it a challenge to hit any moving targets beyond 200 m
-** Time of travel can be ~1 second at 250 m, and ~3 seconds at 500 m, and expect even more time needed for targets beyond 500 m
+* The explosion of the grenade can obscure vision if using thermal gunner sights
 == History ==

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 ** Time of travel can be ~1 second at 250 m, and ~3 seconds at 500 m, and expect even more time needed for targets beyond 500 m
 ** The very low muzzle velocity will make it a challenge to hit any moving targets beyond 200 m
 == History ==

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 === Available ammunition ===
 ''Describe the shells that are available for the weapon and their features and purpose. If it concerns autocannons or machine guns, write about different ammo belts and what is inside (which types of shells).''
 === Comparison with analogues ===

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 <!--Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.-->
-Despite having no infantry to fight, the AG-30 can be used to cripple critical enemy modules. Breaking their gun barrel and tracks will provide the time to either escape or time to aim for weak spots. The shells have less than 5 mm of penetration, so it is unlikely to destroy anything. The only things that the AG-30 might shred through are ATGM carriers and thinly armoured SPAAs, but then HMGs and high-caliber HE shells do a better job at destroying them. It might defeat helicopters though, because the 30 mm grenades don't have tracers at all so the helicopters won't notice them coming until it hits them.
+Despite having no infantry to fight, the AG-30 can be used to cripple critical enemy modules. Breaking their gun barrel and tracks will provide the time to either escape or time to aim for weak spots. The shells have less than 5 mm of penetration, so it is unlikely to destroy anything. The only things that the AG-30 might shred through are ATGM carriers and thinly armoured SPAAs, but then HMGs and high-calibre HE shells do a better job at destroying them. It might defeat helicopters though, because the 30 mm grenades don't have tracers at all so the helicopters won't notice them coming until it hits them.
 Overall, the AG-30 is essentially a tool to buy time, and can't really do anything much more than disarming and demobilizing light tanks and MBTs. The AG-30 can be used to break through an enemy's ERA, which would help the player and teammates defeat the enemy more easily. However, the AG-30 shouldn't be the first weapon of choice in an engagement, as the BMP-2M has very useful ATGMs with tandem charges that can be fired in rapid succession. Again, don't think about actually destroying anything with the AG-30. Roofs and belly armour of even the earliest light tanks exceed 10 mm of RHA, which means penetration is nigh-impossible.
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 == History ==
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 [[File:AGS-30 maks2009.jpg|left|thumb|x220px|none|The AGS-30 in an exhibition.]]
 The AGS-17 adopted in 1971 was improved upon with the introduction of the '''AGS-30''' grenade launcher.<ref name="MilitaryTodayAG30">Military-Today "AGS-30"</ref> The new launcher, which had development started in the early 1990s by the KBP Instrument Design Bureau, was introduced in 1999 as a lighter, more accurate, and farther-hitting grenade launcher compared to the AGS-17,

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	== Description ==		== Description ==

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	== Description ==		== Description ==
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 == Description ==
-''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.''
+<!-- ''Write an introduction to the article in 2-3 small paragraphs. Briefly tell us about the history of the development and combat using the weaponry and also about its features. Compile a list of air, ground, or naval vehicles that feature this weapon system in the game.'' -->
 === Vehicles equipped with this weapon ===
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 <!--Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.-->
-Despite having no infantry to fight, the AG-30 can be used to cripple critical enemy modules. Breaking their gun barrel and tracks will provide the time to either escape or time to aim for weak spots. The shells have less than 5 mm of penetration, so it is unlikely to destroy anything. The only things that the AG-30 might shred through are ATGM carriers and thinly armored SPAAs, but then HMGs and high-caliber HE shells do a better job at destroying them. It might defeat helicopters though, because the 30 mm grenades don't have tracers at all so the helicopters won't notice them coming until it hits them.
+Despite having no infantry to fight, the AG-30 can be used to cripple critical enemy modules. Breaking their gun barrel and tracks will provide the time to either escape or time to aim for weak spots. The shells have less than 5 mm of penetration, so it is unlikely to destroy anything. The only things that the AG-30 might shred through are ATGM carriers and thinly armoured SPAAs, but then HMGs and high-caliber HE shells do a better job at destroying them. It might defeat helicopters though, because the 30 mm grenades don't have tracers at all so the helicopters won't notice them coming until it hits them.
-Overall, the AG-30 is essentially a tool to buy time, and can't really do anything much more than disarming and demobilizing light tanks and MBTs. The AG-30 can be used to break through an enemy's ERA, which would help the player and teammates defeat the enemy more easily. However, the AG-30 shouldn't be the first weapon of choice in an engagement, as the BMP-2M has very useful ATGMs with tandem charges that can be fired in rapid succession. Again, don't think about actually destroying anything with the AG-30. Roofs and belly armor of even the earliest light tanks exceed 10 mm of RHA, which means penetration is nigh-impossible.
+Overall, the AG-30 is essentially a tool to buy time, and can't really do anything much more than disarming and demobilizing light tanks and MBTs. The AG-30 can be used to break through an enemy's ERA, which would help the player and teammates defeat the enemy more easily. However, the AG-30 shouldn't be the first weapon of choice in an engagement, as the BMP-2M has very useful ATGMs with tandem charges that can be fired in rapid succession. Again, don't think about actually destroying anything with the AG-30. Roofs and belly armour of even the earliest light tanks exceed 10 mm of RHA, which means penetration is nigh-impossible.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 * Decent rate of fire (400 RPM) in terms of an automatic grenade launcher
 * May damage and cripple modules that are important to the enemy, such as their gun barrel and tracks
-* Can remove enemy armor plates, especially ERA plates, so that the primary armament(s) will have a better chance of penetrating
+* Can remove enemy armour plates, especially ERA plates, so that the primary armament has a better chance of penetrating
 * If enemy compartment is open-back or open-top, the crew of the enemy will be eliminated within a single good burst
 * Large belt capacity allows sustained fire for longer durations (300 grenades for the BMP-2M)
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 '''Cons:'''
-* Grenades will almost never penetrate armor directly and hurt the crew inside
+* Grenades will almost never penetrate armour directly and hurt the crew inside
 * Grenade's low muzzle velocity results in quite a delay from firing to grenade impact
-** Time of travel can be ~1 second at 250 meters, and ~3 seconds at 500 meters, and expect even more time needed for targets beyond 500 m
+** Time of travel can be ~1 second at 250 m, and ~3 seconds at 500 m, and expect even more time needed for targets beyond 500 m
 ** The very low muzzle velocity will make it a challenge to hit any moving targets beyond 200 m
 == History ==
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 * ''other literature.''-->

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 === Comparison with analogues ===
-The M129, another AGL, is vastly superior to the AG-30 in every way. Excellent penetration, better muzzle velocity, lighter shell, you name it. The only advantage the AG-30 has over the M129 is the explosive mass, but that's worth nothing because the explosive mass can't be utilized effectively.
+<!--Give a comparative description of cannons/machine guns that have firepower equal to this weapon.-->
 == Usage in battles ==
-Despite having no infantry to fight, the AG-30 can be used to cripple critical enemy modules. Breaking their gun barrel and tracks will give you time to either escape or time to aim for weak spots. The shells have less than 5mm of penetration, so don't even think about killing anything with this. The only things that you might shred through are ATGM carriers and thinly armored SPAAs, but then HMGs and high-caliber HE shells do a better job at killing them. It might kill helicopters though, because the 30mm grenades don't have tracers at all. This is essentially a tool to buy time, and can't really do anything much more than disarming and demobilizing light tanks and MBTs. If you manage to break their ERA, then you'll be helping both your teammates and yourself. But it isn't all that useful, since the ATGMs on the BMP-2M are tandem charges, and the ATGMs can be fired in rapid succession. And again, don't think about killing anything with the AG-30. Roofs and belly armor of even the earliest light tanks exceed 10mm of RHA, which means penetration is nigh impossible.
+<!--Describe the cannon/machine gun in the game - its distinctive features, tactics of usage against notable opponents. Please don't write a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but give the reader food for thought.-->
-Editor's note: Inceptor, stop deleting things about the sights and secondary weapons. Go to the test range and try out the BMP-2M. Press the "Select secondary weapon" button and press shift. There '''''ARE''''' sights for the AG-30. Stop deleting things that are true. You can now individually fire the AG-30 by pressing the "fire secondary weapon" button. If you didn't bind a key for it, DO IT '''NOW'''. I am sick of this mindless deleting of other's hard work.
+Overall, the AG-30 is essentially a tool to buy time, and can't really do anything much more than disarming and demobilizing light tanks and MBTs. The AG-30 can be used to break through an enemy's ERA, which would help the player and teammates defeat the enemy more easily. However, the AG-30 shouldn't be the first weapon of choice in an engagement, as the BMP-2M has very useful ATGMs with tandem charges that can be fired in rapid succession. Again, don't think about actually destroying anything with the AG-30. Roofs and belly armor of even the earliest light tanks exceed 10 mm of RHA, which means penetration is nigh-impossible.
 === Pros and cons ===