A28B - Revision history

U2126463: /* Description */

2024-01-04T16:16:10Z

‎Description

U51667382: Corrected a factual inaccuracy about the british equivalent of the aircraft

2023-08-14T19:14:22Z

Corrected a factual inaccuracy about the british equivalent of the aircraft

U90287467: Some little mistakes in name of the jet plane changing J28B into A28B

2023-07-11T15:03:40Z

Some little mistakes in name of the jet plane changing J28B into A28B

U44629479: Edits

2022-12-06T06:15:57Z

Edits

U111069508: /* Usage in battles */ changed all J28B to A28B

2022-09-28T17:49:51Z

‎Usage in battles: changed all J28B to A28B

U28580205: /* Suspended armament */ HPRAK m/49 removed from aircraft in Update "Winged Lions" changelog

2021-12-15T02:51:08Z

‎Suspended armament: HPRAK m/49 removed from aircraft in Update "Winged Lions" changelog

U38088265: U38088265 moved page J28B to A28B: Renamed in 2.11

2021-10-28T16:00:19Z

U38088265 moved page J28B to A28B: Renamed in 2.11

U38088265: /* Flight performance */ Updated

2021-04-13T09:25:24Z

‎Flight performance: Updated

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U38088265 at 13:00, 27 March 2021

2021-03-27T13:00:04Z

U13682523: Added cockpit image from Russian wiki

2021-03-27T12:33:28Z

Added cockpit image from Russian wiki

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 == Description ==
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-The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.95 "Northern Wind"]].
+The '''{{Specs|name}}''' was a Swedish jet fighter. The A 28B is an export version of a British De Havilland Vampire fighter bomber jet. The A 28B was based on the later Vampire FB 5 and procured in 1949 as J 28B with the final aircraft delivered in 1952 marking the end of piston powered fighter aircraft in Flygvapnet inventory. The Vampires were retired from their role of a fighters in 1956 and replaced by J 29 and J 34. The J 28B were later delegated into attacker role and redesignated A 28B.
-The A28B is an export variant of the British [[Vampire (Family)|Vampire FB 6]], also known as the [[Vampire (Family)|Vampire FB 50.]] It is an early Cold War era jet and was ordered in large numbers by the Swedish air force to leap into the jet age. The Vampire family is known for its great dogfighting capabilities, meaning the A28B can comfortably fend off several opponents at once if controlled by a skillful pilot. This aerial performance is given at the cost of engine power.
+The A 28B was introduced in [[Update 1.95 "Northern Wind"]].The Vampire family is known for its great dogfighting capabilities, meaning the A28B can comfortably fend off several opponents at once if controlled by a skillful pilot. This aerial performance is given at the cost of engine power. The acceleration of the A 28B is very weak so superprops won´t have hard time catching up to a slow Vampire that bled its speed in a dogfight.
 == General info ==

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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.95 "Northern Wind"]].
-The A28B is an early Cold War jet known as the [[Vampire FB 5]] in the British tech tree. It was ordered in large numbers by the Swedish air force to leap into the jet age. The Vampire family is known for its great dogfighting capabilities, meaning the A28B can comfortably fend off several opponents at once if controlled by a skillful pilot. This aerial performance is given at the cost of engine power.
+The A28B is an export variant of the British [[Vampire (Family)|Vampire FB 6]], also known as the [[Vampire (Family)|Vampire FB 50.]] It is an early Cold War era jet and was ordered in large numbers by the Swedish air force to leap into the jet age. The Vampire family is known for its great dogfighting capabilities, meaning the A28B can comfortably fend off several opponents at once if controlled by a skillful pilot. This aerial performance is given at the cost of engine power.
 == General info ==

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 The '''{{Specs|name}}''' is a rank {{Specs|rank}} Swedish jet fighter {{Battle-rating}}. It was introduced in [[Update 1.95 "Northern Wind"]].
-The J28B is an early Cold War jet known as the [[Vampire FB 5]] in the British tech tree. It was ordered in large numbers by the Swedish air force to leap into the jet age. The Vampire family is known for its great dogfighting capabilities, meaning the J28B can comfortably fend off several opponents at once if controlled by a skillful pilot. This aerial performance is given at the cost of engine power.
+The A28B is an early Cold War jet known as the [[Vampire FB 5]] in the British tech tree. It was ordered in large numbers by the Swedish air force to leap into the jet age. The Vampire family is known for its great dogfighting capabilities, meaning the A28B can comfortably fend off several opponents at once if controlled by a skillful pilot. This aerial performance is given at the cost of engine power.
 == General info ==
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 {{Specs-Avia-Flight}}
-The J28B performs well at low altitude where it easily outturns most opponents it faces. Thanks to the excellent flaps and air brakes, a pilot aware of his/her energy can fend off anyone that picks a fight. The flaps can be utilised at various speeds to outturn any enemy at any time. Dogfights are where the Vampire platform shines, it is a highly effective fighter with its relatively light airframe and smooth controls. Although the power is lacklustre, a pilot aware of his/her surroundings will have no difficulty avoiding incoming enemies. This lack of engine power will, however, cripple the J28B when it comes to acceleration. A Vampire tends to lose a lot of speed when engaged in turning. So gaining it back to defend itself against new opponents becomes a hassle. And even if a J28B pilot manages to get their speed up, catching a target will be close to impossible with a slow top speed. This lack of power hinders the J28B in many ways, mostly related to energy. This is why "Vamp" pilots are advised to climb at the beginning of a match, despite the lack of a decent climb rate.
+The A28B performs well at low altitude where it easily outturns most opponents it faces. Thanks to the excellent flaps and air brakes, a pilot aware of his/her energy can fend off anyone that picks a fight. The flaps can be utilised at various speeds to outturn any enemy at any time. Dogfights are where the Vampire platform shines, it is a highly effective fighter with its relatively light airframe and smooth controls. Although the power is lacklustre, a pilot aware of his/her surroundings will have no difficulty avoiding incoming enemies. This lack of engine power will, however, cripple the A28B when it comes to acceleration. A Vampire tends to lose a lot of speed when engaged in turning. So gaining it back to defend itself against new opponents becomes a hassle. And even if a A28B pilot manages to get their speed up, catching a target will be close to impossible with a slow top speed. This lack of power hinders the A28B in many ways, mostly related to energy. This is why "Vamp" pilots are advised to climb at the beginning of a match, despite the lack of a decent climb rate.
 [[File:Rocket J28B.png|thumb|The Aiming reticle of the Swedish m/51 rockets.]]
-The J28B performs identically to the Vampire FB 5 which should not come as a surprise. The firepower is what makes them different, however. The J28B is outfitted with the Swedish Akan m/47B (short for "Automatkanon"), which is the Swedish designation of the British Hispano Mk.V, although the calibre and fire rate are the same, the burst mass is larger. This has to do with the Swedish ammunition. The Swedish ammo type contains more TNT and is fully tracer equipped, meaning stealth isn't an option. Despite this downside, the guns perform closer to the American AN/M3 guns instead of the British Hispanos, making the J28B the most effective Vampire in regards to firepower. The J28B is also outfitted with several types of anti-tank and anti-ship rockets. Despite lacking the large 1,000 lb bombs the FB 5 offers, the rockets offer a much different experience compared to the original model. The rockets fire one at a time held on by a Swedish rocket rack, pointing them further down than usual. The average pilot, especially the ones coming from the FB 5, will find this new placement tricky to get used to. But considering the single fire system, a skilled pilot might be able to rack up more destroyed tanks in ground battles compared to the FB 5. If this becomes too sufferable, however, it is recommended to use "Fire rocket salvo" instead to fire off two rockets at once, for a more traditional feel. It's not worth sacrificing accuracy for efficiency when it comes to rockets.
+The A28B performs identically to the Vampire FB 5 which should not come as a surprise. The firepower is what makes them different, however. The A28B is outfitted with the Swedish Akan m/47B (short for "Automatkanon"), which is the Swedish designation of the British Hispano Mk.V, although the calibre and fire rate are the same, the burst mass is larger. This has to do with the Swedish ammunition. The Swedish ammo type contains more TNT and is fully tracer equipped, meaning stealth isn't an option. Despite this downside, the guns perform closer to the American AN/M3 guns instead of the British Hispanos, making the A28B the most effective Vampire in regards to firepower. The A28B is also outfitted with several types of anti-tank and anti-ship rockets. Despite lacking the large 1,000 lb bombs the FB 5 offers, the rockets offer a much different experience compared to the original model. The rockets fire one at a time held on by a Swedish rocket rack, pointing them further down than usual. The average pilot, especially the ones coming from the FB 5, will find this new placement tricky to get used to. But considering the single fire system, a skilled pilot might be able to rack up more destroyed tanks in ground battles compared to the FB 5. If this becomes too sufferable, however, it is recommended to use "Fire rocket salvo" instead to fire off two rockets at once, for a more traditional feel. It's not worth sacrificing accuracy for efficiency when it comes to rockets.
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 * 3 mm Steel - Armour plate under the engine
-[[File:Armour values J28B.png|thumb|Armour found inside the J28B]]
+[[File:Armour values J28B.png|thumb|Armour found inside the A28B]]
-The J28B has the same armour as the Vampire FB 5 as well as the Italian [[Vampire FB 52A]]. Despite being dangerous in a head-on due to the beefed-up guns, a J28B should never fully commit to a head-on engagement, the bulletproof glass will, however, save the pilot most of the time. The tail section is not easily saved though. The twin-boom makes it twice as likely to hit the traction of control surfaces. This leaves the J28B completely useless usually resulting in abandonment of the aircraft, which should be avoided at all costs.
+The A28B has the same armour as the Vampire FB 5 as well as the Italian [[Vampire FB 52A]]. Despite being dangerous in a head-on due to the beefed-up guns, a A28B should never fully commit to a head-on engagement, the bulletproof glass will, however, save the pilot most of the time. The tail section is not easily saved though. The twin-boom makes it twice as likely to hit the traction of control surfaces. This leaves the A28B completely useless usually resulting in abandonment of the aircraft, which should be avoided at all costs.
 === Modifications and economy ===
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 ;Skins
 * [https://live.warthunder.com/feed/camouflages/?vehicle=vampire_fb5_j28b Skins and camouflages for the {{PAGENAME}} from live.warthunder.com.]
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 ;Related development
 * [[Vampire FB 5]]
 * [[Vampire FB 52A]]
 ;Similar aircraft
 * [[F3D-1]]
 * [[Ho 229 V3]]

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 * Minimum fuel or 20 minutes - depends on map size
-* Ground targets for 20mm belts
+* Ground targets for 20 mm belts
 * Climb slightly at ~10°
 * Boom & Zoom opponents, dogfight when necessary
-A A28B pilot should always be aware of his/her speed and altitude, or energy in more advanced terms. To avoid enemies with superior engine power using it as a boom and zoom target, a A28B pilot should use altitude to their advantage. Since the Vampire platform is bad at building up energy, the pilot should store as much energy as possible for when the battle begins. Before engaging targets, it can also be useful to always keep a speed of at least 400 km/h to limit the number of options an enemy has to counterattack. This also helps the A28B to swiftly turn around and begin a dogfight if the opponent commits to one. This play-style can be applied to every Vampire plane in the game since they perform mostly the same. The A28B has to watch out for [[Ho 229 V3]] players, however, since they can outmatch the A28B in turning. A good way to counter the Horten is to make it bleed speed. Forcing it to turn once or twice and then extending away from the enemy.
+A A28B pilot should always be aware of his/her speed and altitude, or energy in more advanced terms. To avoid enemies with superior engine power using it as a boom and zoom target, a A28B pilot should use altitude to their advantage. Since the Vampire platform is bad at building up energy, the pilot should store as much energy as possible for when the battle begins. Before engaging targets, it can also be useful to always keep a speed of at least 400 km/h to limit the number of options an enemy has to counterattack. This also helps the A28B to swiftly turn around and begin a dogfight if the opponent commits to one. This playstyle can be applied to every Vampire plane in the game since they perform mostly the same. The A28B has to watch out for [[Ho 229 V3]] players, however, since they can outmatch the A28B in turning. A good way to counter the Horten is to make it bleed speed. Forcing it to turn once or twice and then extending away from the enemy.
-A play-style close to that of a propeller-driven aircraft can be applied, where energy is the key to survival. The A28B has quite the firepower compared to the other Vampire models. This can reward players who can safely head-on from a distance and then avoid incoming shots from the enemy. This will usually result in a critical hit or straight-up destruction if the enemy doesn't also avoid. The fired rounds are quite deadly and require less gun-time compared to the British counterpart. This gives the A28B an overall higher chance of surviving since it can afford to spend less time on each target. A pilot comfortable with their aim will easily outsmart opponents and make them think twice before engaging in a future dogfight with a {{PAGENAME}}.
+A playstyle close to that of a propeller-driven aircraft can be applied, where energy is the key to survival. The A28B has quite the firepower compared to the other Vampire models. This can reward players who can safely head-on from a distance and then avoid incoming shots from the enemy. This will usually result in a critical hit or straight-up destruction if the enemy doesn't also avoid. The fired rounds are quite deadly and require less gun-time compared to the British counterpart. This gives the A28B an overall higher chance of surviving since it can afford to spend less time on each target. A pilot comfortable with their aim will easily outsmart opponents and make them think twice before engaging in a future dogfight with a {{PAGENAME}}.
 '''Ground Realistic battles'''
 * Minimum fuel, 8 x m/49A rockets
-* Ground targets for 20mm belts
+* Ground targets for 20 mm belts
 * Attack opponents from low altitude
 * Prioritize aerial opponents
-The {{PAGENAME}} is the ultimate CAS plane for Sweden at the BR range it sits at. The Vampire platform is incredibly manoeuvrable which allows for safe attacks against ground targets, and the high agility is incredibly helpful against propeller-driven opponents. Equipping eight m/49A rockets does hinder the performance slightly, but are one of the most lethal rockets found at this BR. Thanks to them being a tier I modification, having a potent {{PAGENAME}} isn't difficult to achieve. Make sure to engage targets at low altitude, avoiding any form of SPAA, as the {{PAGENAME}} is required to fly straight during approaches, due to the difficulty of aiming. Make sure to aim the m/49 rockets in tightly packed crew compartments, and ammunition stowage, similar to how you would typically fire a HEAT-FS round. This is why broadside engagements are more effective, as having a larger target profile allows for increased accuracy.
+The {{PAGENAME}} is the ultimate CAS plane for Sweden at the BR range it sits at. The Vampire platform is incredibly manoeuvrable which allows for safe attacks against ground targets, and the high agility is incredibly helpful against propeller-driven opponents. Equipping eight m/49A rockets does hinder the performance slightly, but are one of the most lethal rockets found at this BR. Thanks to them being a tier I modification, having a potent {{PAGENAME}} isn't difficult to achieve. Make sure to engage targets at low altitude, avoiding any form of SPAA, as the {{PAGENAME}} is required to fly straight during approaches, due to the difficulty of aiming. Make sure to aim the m/49 rockets in tightly packed crew compartments, and ammunition stowage, similar to how you would typically fire a HEATFS round. This is why broadside engagements are more effective, as having a larger target profile allows for increased accuracy.
-The rockets aren't the only thing the {{PAGENAME}} makes use of. The 20mm cannons have plenty of ammunition and allow the plane to deal with SPAA from longer distances. The ground-targets belt penetrates most SPAA, allowing the {{PAGENAME}} to save the m/49A rockets for tanks instead. The guns are capable of damaging engine decks, especially on tanks such as the British [[Centurion (Family)|Centurion]] or German [[Panther tank (Family)|Panther]]. Against aerial targets the {{PAGENAME}} performs ideal as always, damaging most opponents in a single spray. Always make sure to deal with these opponents first, as even if they pose no threat to the {{PAGENAME}}, they most definitely threaten its teammates.
+The rockets aren't the only thing the {{PAGENAME}} makes use of. The 20 mm cannons have plenty of ammunition and allow the plane to deal with SPAA from longer distances. The ground-targets belt penetrates most SPAA, allowing the {{PAGENAME}} to save the m/49A rockets for tanks instead. The guns are capable of damaging engine decks, especially on tanks such as the British [[Centurion (Family)|Centurion]] or German [[Panther tank (Family)|Panther]]. Against aerial targets the {{PAGENAME}} performs ideal as always, damaging most opponents in a single spray. Always make sure to deal with these opponents first, as even if they pose no threat to the {{PAGENAME}}, they most definitely threaten its teammates.
 === Pros and cons ===
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 '''Pros:'''
-* Great turning and dogfighting capabilities.
+* Great turning and dogfighting capabilities
-* Stronger guns than the British/Italian counterpart.
+* Stronger guns than the British/Italian counterpart
-* Effective air-brakes that generate lift once deployed.
+* Effective air-brakes that generate lift once deployed
-* Decent ammo count.
+* Decent ammo count
-* Easy to land.
+* Easy to land
-* Powerful rockets with 500mm penetration.
+* Powerful rockets with 500 mm penetration
 '''Cons:'''
-* Slow top speed.
+* Slow top speed
-* Poor rate of climb.
+* Poor rate of climb
-* Low gun placement forcing pilots to aim higher than usual.
+* Low gun placement forcing pilots to aim higher than usual
-* Weak tail section that often suffers damage from enemy fire.
+* Weak tail section that often suffers damage from enemy fire
-* Retains energy poorly.
+* Retains energy poorly
 == History ==
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 == Media ==
-''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.''
+<!-- ''Excellent additions to the article would be video guides, screenshots from the game, and photos.'' -->
 == See also ==
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 * ''reference to the series of the aircraft;''
 * ''links to approximate analogues of other nations and research trees.'' -->
 * [[Vampire FB 5]]
 * [[Vampire FB 52A]]
-'''Similar aircraft'''
+;Similar aircraft
+* [[F3D-1]]
-* [[J21RA]]
+* [[Ho 229 V3]]
 * [[R2Y2 Kai V1]]
 * [[R2Y2 Kai V2]]
 * [[R2Y2 Kai V3]]
-* [[Ho 229 V3]]
+* [[J21RA]]
-* [[F3D-1]]
+* [[A21RB]]
 == External links ==
 <!-- ''Paste links to sources and external resources, such as:''
 * ''topic on the official game forum;''
 * ''other literature.'' -->

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 * Boom & Zoom opponents, dogfight when necessary
-A J28B pilot should always be aware of his/her speed and altitude, or energy in more advanced terms. To avoid enemies with superior engine power using it as a boom and zoom target, a J28B pilot should use altitude to their advantage. Since the Vampire platform is bad at building up energy, the pilot should store as much energy as possible for when the battle begins. Before engaging targets, it can also be useful to always keep a speed of at least 400 km/h to limit the number of options an enemy has to counterattack. This also helps the J28B to swiftly turn around and begin a dogfight if the opponent commits to one. This play-style can be applied to every Vampire plane in the game since they perform mostly the same. The J28B has to watch out for [[Ho 229 V3]] players, however, since they can outmatch the J28B in turning. A good way to counter the Horten is to make it bleed speed. Forcing it to turn once or twice and then extending away from the enemy.
+A A28B pilot should always be aware of his/her speed and altitude, or energy in more advanced terms. To avoid enemies with superior engine power using it as a boom and zoom target, a A28B pilot should use altitude to their advantage. Since the Vampire platform is bad at building up energy, the pilot should store as much energy as possible for when the battle begins. Before engaging targets, it can also be useful to always keep a speed of at least 400 km/h to limit the number of options an enemy has to counterattack. This also helps the A28B to swiftly turn around and begin a dogfight if the opponent commits to one. This play-style can be applied to every Vampire plane in the game since they perform mostly the same. The A28B has to watch out for [[Ho 229 V3]] players, however, since they can outmatch the A28B in turning. A good way to counter the Horten is to make it bleed speed. Forcing it to turn once or twice and then extending away from the enemy.
-A play-style close to that of a propeller-driven aircraft can be applied, where energy is the key to survival. The J28B has quite the firepower compared to the other Vampire models. This can reward players who can safely head-on from a distance and then avoid incoming shots from the enemy. This will usually result in a critical hit or straight-up destruction if the enemy doesn't also avoid. The fired rounds are quite deadly and require less gun-time compared to the British counterpart. This gives the J28B an overall higher chance of surviving since it can afford to spend less time on each target. A pilot comfortable with their aim will easily outsmart opponents and make them think twice before engaging in a future dogfight with a {{PAGENAME}}.
+A play-style close to that of a propeller-driven aircraft can be applied, where energy is the key to survival. The A28B has quite the firepower compared to the other Vampire models. This can reward players who can safely head-on from a distance and then avoid incoming shots from the enemy. This will usually result in a critical hit or straight-up destruction if the enemy doesn't also avoid. The fired rounds are quite deadly and require less gun-time compared to the British counterpart. This gives the A28B an overall higher chance of surviving since it can afford to spend less time on each target. A pilot comfortable with their aim will easily outsmart opponents and make them think twice before engaging in a future dogfight with a {{PAGENAME}}.
 '''Ground Realistic battles'''

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 {{Specs-Avia-Suspended}}
 <!-- ''Describe the aircraft's suspended armament: additional cannons under the wings, bombs, rockets and torpedoes. This section is especially important for bombers and attackers. If there is no suspended weaponry remove this subsection.'' -->
-{{main|hprak m/49|psrak m/49A|srak m/51}}
+{{main|psrak m/49A|srak m/51}}
 The '''''{{PAGENAME}}''''' can be outfitted with the following ordnance:
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 Although visually indistinguishable from the m/49A, the m/51 rockets are very different in behaviour from their older counterpart. These rockets are high-explosive, similar to how the British RP-3 behaves. The rocket lacks significant penetration, even when compared to the RP-3, making them quite redundant against tanks. They can be effectively used against lightly armoured vehicles, however, as the explosive spreads more towards the side rather than just forwardly. The rockets can also be used against aerial opponents, especially bombers. Since this rocket has a 10 m/s faster travel-speed compared to the m/49A before it, they're slightly more useful when applied against aerial targets, even if they're less than ideal for this purpose.
 {{Notice|The {{PAGENAME}} features a rocket-rack pointing all suspended weapons ~5° downwards. This forces pilots to fly the plane horizontal to avoid missing the target but allows the {{PAGENAME}} to engage tanks without pointing its nose down a lot.}}

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